Collymore Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 13 minutes ago, nwl fox said: I find this line of argument a bit tedious, players want to play not sit on their arses for 3 months at a time I see your point but the word "suffer" was used in the post I was originally replying to and I can't find myself to feel sorry for an individual who will earn £1m for literally doing nothing for 3 months. He might be disappointed and frustrated, yes, Is he going to suffer? Nah.
NewEnglandFox Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 1 minute ago, ALC Fox said: I think what's pathetic is the inability to train with the team. I get the not being eligible to play but not being able to train as well could actually be a punishment with consequences that reach beyond January. He's in limbo so both teams would rather he be put in bubble wrap than have exposed to the possibility of getting injured in training.
Gerard Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 1 minute ago, Collymore said: I see your point but the word "suffer" was used in the post I wass originally replying to and I can't find myself to feel sorry for an individual who will earn £1m for literally doing nothing for 3 months. He might be disappointed and frustrated. Is he going to suffer? Nah. "Suffer" in the context of football and him wanting to play and progress in his career. No one was comparing him to proper suffering. FIFA have effectively banned him for half a season after making him "stateless".
nwl fox Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 3 minutes ago, Collymore said: I see your point but the word "suffer" was used in the post I was originally replying to and I can't find myself to feel sorry for an individual who will earn £1m for literally doing nothing for 3 months. He might be disappointed and frustrated, yes, Is he going to suffer? Nah. Yeah hadnt read the post you were quoting tbf, and i'm not saying this is you but some people genuinely seem to use the amount they get paid as justification for anything.
Collymore Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 7 minutes ago, Gerard said: "Suffer" in the context of football and him wanting to play and progress in his career. No one was comparing him to proper suffering. FIFA have effectively banned him for half a season after making him "stateless". Yeah, I see your point, @weller54 was obviously not comparing it to famine in Africa and my reply wasn't really aimed at him or Adrien. I just get annoyed by footballers in general sometimes
The Guvnor Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 You would think the sensible thing to do from both parties would be nullify this feckin transfer for the players sake, on the premise that not having international clearance will have severe detrimental consequences for the most important party, the player, have a mutual agreement that the player is signed in Jan, same terms, Silva get's game time, doesn't affect his WC chances, everyone's happy including FIFA.
Collymore Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 2 minutes ago, The Guvnor said: You would think the sensible thing to do from both parties would be nullify this feckin transfer for the players sake, on the premise that not having international clearance will have severe detrimental consequences for the most important party, the player, have a mutual agreement that the player is signed in Jan, same terms, Silva get's game time, doesn't affect his WC chances, everyone's happy including FIFA. I doubt Sporting would be happy with that as they wanted to sell the player and might have been counting on the money for other ventures such as debt repayment or future transfers.
Finn Claw II Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 This situation should just not be allowed to happen. He should be ours or Sporting's player. Rules need to change
The Guvnor Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 Just now, Collymore said: I doubt Sporting would be happy with that as they wanted to sell the player and might have been counting on the money for other ventures such as debt repayment or future transfers. I get that, and their president seems like he is money driven, but Silva has been a SL player for 15years FFS not some fly by night journeyman, Silva deserves better than this and if it can't be resolved that would personify all that is sh*t in modern day football.
Countryfox Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 12 minutes ago, The Guvnor said: You would think the sensible thing to do from both parties would be nullify this feckin transfer for the players sake, on the premise that not having international clearance will have severe detrimental consequences for the most important party, the player, have a mutual agreement that the player is signed in Jan, same terms, Silva get's game time, doesn't affect his WC chances, everyone's happy including FIFA. And thats just why it won't happen ... its a farce.
dannythefox Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 Is there not some legal action he/we can take there stopping a bloke from earning a wage. Surely that can't be right in any walk of life.
reynard Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 47 minutes ago, ALC Fox said: I think what's pathetic is the inability to train with the team. I get the not being eligible to play but not being able to train as well could actually be a punishment with consequences that reach beyond January. What's pathetic is our inability to get the transfer done and the paperwork in on time. Plus the now apparent possibility that if we do not win an appeal that we would try to reverse the agreement on buying the player. At the moment he has no registration to join us officially as a player which is presumably why he can't even train with us. What is also pathetic is that we allowed a key player to leave without signing a replacement. Drinkwater's transfer should not have been sanctioned by the club until we had signed his replacement and that we had confirmed receipt of the paperwork. On top of that Chelsea should have been told that if this did not all got through with plenty of time to spare the deal was off. We've basically botched this job and now the player is suffering and so are we as we have a significantly weaker midfield and can do nothing about it, in all probablity, until January.
Wrighty22 Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 It's good that the club has told us what's going on....
katieakita Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 5 minutes ago, dannythefox said: Is there not some legal action he/we can take there stopping a bloke from earning a wage. Surely that can't be right in any walk of life. Sure they have to be looking and have taken advice, certainly penalty clauses in contracts should be looked at if this is confirmed as a business contract. Around a £1.5 million pound fine for a 14 second delay would appear to be more than harsh and justifiable. If time is so important to the footballing authorities why did the ref blow up yesterday before the minimum of 4 minutes extra time were played.
dannythefox Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 45 minutes ago, katieakita said: Sure they have to be looking and have taken advice, certainly penalty clauses in contracts should be looked at if this is confirmed as a business contract. Around a £1.5 million pound fine for a 14 second delay would appear to be more than harsh and justifiable. If time is so important to the footballing authorities why did the ref blow up yesterday before the minimum of 4 minutes extra time were played. Not really bothered about yesterday but I had it as 4 minutes anyway.
Bluetintedspecs Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 30 minutes ago, dannythefox said: Not really bothered about yesterday but I had it as 4 minutes anyway. Do you actually time injury time, how reliable is your time piece, you sure there's no possibility of a 14 second lag due to human error?
Wymsey Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 1 hour ago, Wrighty22 said: It's good that the club has told us what's going on.... Maybe they're not allowed to at present, whilst any appeal they make is under consideration? Will be surprised if no developments occurred this week coming.
ZeGuy Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 They're shooting down his season. Not only not match fit but also not training. Good god, how is he supposed to fit in in January?
Countryfox Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 2 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said: Will be surprised if no developments occurred this week coming. Will be AMAZED if there are no developments this week coming ....
ALC Fox Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 1 hour ago, reynard said: What's pathetic is our inability to get the transfer done and the paperwork in on time. Plus the now apparent possibility that if we do not win an appeal that we would try to reverse the agreement on buying the player. At the moment he has no registration to join us officially as a player which is presumably why he can't even train with us. What is also pathetic is that we allowed a key player to leave without signing a replacement. Drinkwater's transfer should not have been sanctioned by the club until we had signed his replacement and that we had confirmed receipt of the paperwork. On top of that Chelsea should have been told that if this did not all got through with plenty of time to spare the deal was off. We've basically botched this job and now the player is suffering and so are we as we have a significantly weaker midfield and can do nothing about it, in all probablity, until January. Very good points. The club is certainly not blameless in this, and after last summer's debacle it must be extremely frustrating for Silva. Fingers crossed the appeal goes our way but you're right, the club well and truly screwed this one up.
Wymsey Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 Actually quite confident this ruling will be over-turned considering Silva has been in Leicester. Presumably there's some committee at FIFA that looks into these controversies (ironic, considering FIFA's reputation..), discuss it and decide equally whether the matter should be overturned.
Collymore Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 11 minutes ago, Countryfox said: Will be AMAZED if there are no developments this week coming ....
dannythefox Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 19 minutes ago, Bluetintedspecs said: Do you actually time injury time, how reliable is your time piece, you sure there's no possibility of a 14 second lag due to human error? I'm not an exact time geek just like to be out my seat a few seconds before otherwise you can be stood waiting to get out 5-10 minutes.
Clever Fox Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 1 hour ago, dannythefox said: Is there not some legal action he/we can take there stopping a bloke from earning a wage. Surely that can't be right in any walk of life. Yes, I think it's called restraint of Trade. Restraint clauses are only valid and effective if they are reasonable. The Punishment seems to be totally unreasonable on Silva.
Wrighty22 Posted 10 September 2017 Posted 10 September 2017 1 hour ago, Wymeswold fox said: Maybe they're not allowed to at present, whilst any appeal they make is under consideration? Will be surprised if no developments occurred this week coming. Maybe? Still not right.
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