Was it anti Semitic?

[Izzy]

Regardless of whether it's anti Semitic or not, it's a pretty shit chant.

 

Is like that's the best they could come up with to rhyme with 'Madrid'

[bovril]

2 minutes ago, davieG said:

. ....and you know this how? I've got a nephew who's Jewish and a Spurs fan and he often refers to the team/club and himself using Yid.

And I know plenty of Jewish and non-Jewish Spurs fans who find it very offensive. So I suppose I should've written 'most'. 

[Kitchandro]

Yids means Spurs in this context.

 

So no, not anti-semitic at all.

 

Next.

[Monsell1976]

1 hour ago, kyleolly said:

Don't spurs chant Yid army?

Just going to comment the same, nothing to see here  

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, kyleolly said:

Don't spurs chant Yid army?

They do, but there's a difference between a fan base with a fair bit of Jewish history behind them chanting it out of pride for that identity and opposition fans taking it when being anti-spurs. Besides, Chelsea are a pretty racist fan base, so the benefit of the doubt shouldn't really go with them...

[kyleolly]

4 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

They do, but there's a difference between a fan base with a fair bit of Jewish history behind them chanting it out of pride for that identity and opposition fans taking it when being anti-spurs. Besides, Chelsea are a pretty racist fan base, so the benefit of the doubt shouldn't really go with them...

I thought they chanted yid army as a bit of a pisstake

[broughtonblue]

The old rhyme I was bought up with...

 

Sticks n stones may break your bones, but names will never hurt you 

[davieG]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

And I know plenty of Jewish and non-Jewish Spurs fans who find it very offensive. So I suppose I should've written 'most'. 

I'm sure you do and they do but it's obviously not all, I sense there's an element of bravado and FU attached to their use of it. Never use it myself not even to my nephew.

[fleckneymike]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/17/david-cameron-yid-really-is-race-hate-word

[Strokes]

2 hours ago, davieG said:

. ....and you know this how? I've got a nephew who's Jewish and a Spurs fan and he often refers to the team/club and himself using Yid.

Yeah I know a quite a few Jewish Spurs fans and they definitely call themselves Yid army. However some black people refer to their own as the N word, it doesn't mean we should start using it I guess.

[HighPeakFox]

This might surprise one or two, considering that I am of Jewish background. The term anti-semitism is so over-used now, that it begins to lose any real meaning. In fact, it has reached the point where suggesting the Israeli government are not doing nice things is called out as anti-semitic, which in a sane world, it isn't. For me, anti-semitism is hatred of Jews.

 

So no, it's crass alright, but not anti-semitic.

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, HighPeakFox said:

This might surprise one or two, but I am of Jewish background.

[HighPeakFox]

Bad sentence construction by me, I must say. I've altered it now. No idea what the meme means though @Strokes

 

[ozleicester]

6 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Are you Jewish? Why would you feel uncomfortable?

 

Spurs sing Yids themselves. Not saying it's justified but until they stop then nobody else will.

 

 

6 hours ago, kyleolly said:

Don't spurs chant Yid army?

 

[GaelicFox]

Chelsea and player made statements last night to call on Chelsea fans to stop this chant 

[Guest MattP]

15 hours ago, bovril said:

Yid is an anti-Semitic term and the Spurs fans who sing it aren't Jewish.

My old boss was a Jew and a Spurs fan and he sings it.

 

People getting offended for the sake of it again, I'm sure 99% of the people singing it are doing it as an anti-Spurs rather than anti semetic reason.

[bovril]

9 minutes ago, MattP said:

My old boss was a Jew and a Spurs fan and he sings it.

 

People getting offended for the sake of it again, I'm sure 99% of the people singing it are doing it as an anti-Spurs rather than anti semetic reason.

Like I said, I know people who hate it, but like your post that's just anecdotal evidence. 

Offence is in the eye of the offendee, neither you nor I can tell people what they should or shouldn't be offended by. 

[davieG]

I guess as a country we haven't yet come to terms deciding what is anti something or just something some people find offensive.

 

There's a lot of second guessing on this and also the 'subjects' themselves aren't always unanimous on the tip over point much like the abortion subject in the Politics thread.

 

We might never reach a consensus because the situation is forever changing as we can see when we look back.

[Strokes]

44 minutes ago, bovril said:

Like I said, I know people who hate it, but like your post that's just anecdotal evidence. 

Offence is in the eye of the offendee, neither you nor I can tell people what they should or shouldn't be offended by. 

Maybe not but we have every right to question whether it is justified or not.

[leicsmac]

14 hours ago, broughtonblue said:

The old rhyme I was bought up with...

 

Sticks n stones may break your bones, but names will never hurt you 

Sounds like good sense but given the amount of damage words can do in the right situation (more than deeds sometimes), it's fallacious.

 

14 hours ago, Strokes said:

Yeah I know a quite a few Jewish Spurs fans and they definitely call themselves Yid army. However some black people refer to their own as the N word, it doesn't mean we should start using it I guess.

Yeah. N-word privilege pretty clearly applies here.

[Trav Le Bleu]

18 hours ago, foxile5 said:

Yiddish isn't an insult though, is it? It's like British to Brit isn't it? 

 

Or is there a history of negativity attached. I'm genuinely none the wiser on the history of the term. It would be odd if Tottenham took it on with it being derogatory. 

That's similar to the Jap/Japanese thing. Let's ask Vardy.

[Guest MattP]

3 hours ago, bovril said:

Like I said, I know people who hate it, but like your post that's just anecdotal evidence. 

Offence is in the eye of the offendee, neither you nor I can tell people what they should or shouldn't be offended by. 

I agree, and we also have to right to say "so what" to anyone who feels offended, it gives them no right or privilege to anything.

 

Offended are you? Well who cares.

[purpleronnie]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

I agree, and we also have to right to say "so what" to anyone who feels offended, it gives them no right or privilege to anything.

 

Offended are you? Well who cares.

Agreed, and there's a big difference between people who say 'i'm offended' as some kind of sweeping statement that should immediately end any more discussion compared to those who issue counter arguments against what has been said.

 

Some people think they should be offended so are, and because they are incapable of controlling their own emotions they take it upon themselves to try and control other peoples in a vain attempt to compensate.

 

Political correctness is essentially a very good and positive thing but unfortunately it's blanketed everything so any political discussion or cultural discussion always ends up with one side labelling the other as cruel/mean/racist/bigoted etc etc..

 

[Ted Maul]

I think the major problem here lies with Spurs- why should they be able to use the term and nobody else can?

 

It's not the same as black people calling each other the N word- you can't own the slur if you don't belong to the group it is used against. Spurs may have historic ties to the Jewish community, but how many of their fans who use the term are actually Jewish?

 

It's nonsense to raise an issue with Chelsea and not bat an eyelid at Spurs.

[Countryfox]

18 hours ago, purpleronnie said:

Agreed, and there's a big difference between people who say 'i'm offended' as some kind of sweeping statement that should immediately end any more discussion compared to those who issue counter arguments against what has been said.

 

Some people think they should be offended so are, and because they are incapable of controlling their own emotions they take it upon themselves to try and control other peoples in a vain attempt to compensate.

 

Political correctness is essentially a very good and positive thing but unfortunately it's blanketed everything so any political discussion or cultural discussion always ends up with one side labelling the other as cruel/mean/racist/bigoted etc etc..

 

 

          You sir, are a mean, cruel, racist bigot ! ....       and worse than that Ronnie you're an etc etc !!!