Fox1norfolk Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 Oumar Niasse: Everton striker banned for two games for diving The player is punished quite rightly, but should not the club also be deducted points as well. This incident resulted in Everton gaining a draw and one point and Crystal Palace loosing two points. The possible consequences at the end of the season are enormous , just that one point could be the difference from staying up in the PL or relegation or a place in the Champions League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 5 hours ago, Fox1norfolk said: Oumar Niasse: Everton striker banned for two games for diving The player is punished quite rightly, but should not the club also be deducted points as well. This incident resulted in Everton gaining a draw and one point and Crystal Palace loosing two points. The possible consequences at the end of the season are enormous , just that one point could be the difference from staying up in the PL or relegation or a place in the Champions League Oh come on. Are you going to start doing that for fouls which deny goalscoring opportunities too? Unpunished handballs? There's absolutely no way you can guarantee how a certain decision made differently would have changed a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylofox Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 Should this not be in general sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox1norfolk Posted 22 November 2017 Author Share Posted 22 November 2017 3 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: Oh come on. Are you going to start doing that for fouls which deny to goalscoring opportunities too? Unpunished handballs? There's absolutely no way you can guarantee how a certain decision made differently would have changed a game. Video tech - TMO works well in rugby & cricket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 Seems ridiculous that if he'd been caught at the time he'd only have been booked. And by that I mean it should be a straight red and a 3 match ban if caught diving at any time. And also is this the first time it's happened? Surely they don't expect us to think this is the first time a referee has missed a dive this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 4 minutes ago, Fox1norfolk said: Video tech - TMO works well in rugby & cricket Those sports are crap. We shouldn't take too much from inferior sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Bentley Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 Maybe there could be a point deduction the second time in a season that a club had a player banned for diving? Could just ban the player and fine the club for "failing to control its players" first time? Seems a bit harsh to deduct points from a club the very first time that some idiot of a player throws himself down. If one player from a club got banned, then others carried on diving, that would be more of a sign that the club wasn't discouraging it adequately - or maybe even encouraging it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 6 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: Those sports are crap. We shouldn't take too much from inferior sports. I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costock_Fox Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 5 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Maybe there could be a point deduction the second time in a season that a club had a player banned for diving? Could just ban the player and fine the club for "failing to control its players" first time? Seems a bit harsh to deduct points from a club the very first time that some idiot of a player throws himself down. If one player from a club got banned, then others carried on diving, that would be more of a sign that the club wasn't discouraging it adequately - or maybe even encouraging it. Seems harsher when Palace get relegated by 2 points..... well to them anyway, personally think it will be bloody hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeGuy Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 Not only the club should be punished but also the manager. He must be thrown in jail for failing to teach good football ethics. Let's not forget the other players who were on the pitch and didn't prevent him to dive. Oh and the subs too, that should teach them. Last but not least the club's city should pay a fine too. 1M pounds sounds about right for the moral and material prejudices caused to the opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheppyFox Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 It’s a good deterrent for players, in the long term it should stop points being won or lost unfairly down to diving, or atleast really minimise it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 1 hour ago, Fox1norfolk said: Video tech - TMO works well in rugby & cricket So you're going to deduct points in-game after going to a video replay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 1 hour ago, Fox1norfolk said: Video tech - TMO works well in rugby & cricket Think you've missed the point - one decision different and the entire game could play out differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winteriscoming Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 What makes it worse is that unsworth comes out and defends the player saying there was contact. I don't think you'll ever see point deduction for diving. It would stop it but there would be too much debate also the Premier League would never deduct the top sides points which you could argue is where the majority comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 Both on (poor form, and now this incident) and off the pitch (poor, expensive recruitment and getting fines over fans' conduct), Everton's season is getting more worse. Actually might be best for them to go down, amid a massive wake-up call if this happens!.., sort themselves out and get up going again. Not a boring team, though, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 points deduction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 1 hour ago, Kitchandro said: Seems ridiculous that if he'd been caught at the time he'd only have been booked. And by that I mean it should be a straight red and a 3 match ban if caught diving at any time. And also is this the first time it's happened? Surely they don't expect us to think this is the first time a referee has missed a dive this season. no, but it's the first time someone's been punished. An Alli incident and a Richarlison incident were both reviewed by the panel and they were deemed not to have dived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4DD0gg Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 JV's dives are the best, i love how he trails a leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUltimateWinner Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 I'm looking forward to match officials getting banned for two games when penalties that should be given aren't Deception of being a professional match official Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyrobot Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 Yes it was a dive but can’t help feeling he’s a safe target. There’s been worse dives that have resulted in a penalty this season and they’ve not resulted in this ban. I don’t mind if they are consistent but I don’t think they have been. Maybe they will from now on. He’s a low profile player playing for a struggling non top 6 club so he was a good (safe) one for the FA to make a point with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 2 hours ago, Kitchandro said: And also is this the first time it's happened? Surely they don't expect us to think this is the first time a referee has missed a dive this season. Richarlison and B. Silva were investigated but they weren't charged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 41 minutes ago, m4DD0gg said: JV's dives are the best, i love how he trails a leg. There's a difference between inviting a player to kick your leg and diving when not touched though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 1 hour ago, winteriscoming said: What makes it worse is that unsworth comes out and defends the player saying there was contact. I don't think you'll ever see point deduction for diving. It would stop it but there would be too much debate also the Premier League would never deduct the top sides points which you could argue is where the majority comes from. Very few will come out and say their own player dives, especially with the potential of a ban for that player now. Their player's "dive" is your player's "there was contact"- they could be the same incident. Let's see if Hodgson is so bold if Zaha or Benteke is pulled up for simulation in the near future. Managers want these rules implemented until it's their team that is affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrfox452 Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 Haha, I'd be amazed if any English player or one of the so called big clubs gets ever charged. Different rules for different clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costock_Fox Posted 22 November 2017 Share Posted 22 November 2017 32 minutes ago, Mrfox452 said: Haha, I'd be amazed if any English player or one of the so called big clubs gets ever charged. Different rules for different clubs. Guaranteed Vardy ban incoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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