Grow up and get behind Riyad, or: stop listening to the press and wait and see how he reacts on the pitch

[shen]

4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Nope, wrong again. I said I had no empathy towards him. The wages are just part of it. He’s playing for a club that have given him the platform to display his amazing talents. We’ve rewarded him aptly imo (seems like that’s up for debate) and we’ve said he can leave if a big club matches our valuation of him which I’d guess (and it is just a guess) is around £75-80m. If none of the top clubs are willing to pay that you have to ask yourself how important of a player he’s going to be there

 

Everybody will have their own views but if the papers are to be believed I think the owners have got this bang on 

Are you possibly mixing up empathy and sympathy? You did bring up his wages (irrelevant to me personally in this context). If he'd earned 50p it still wouldn't condone his actions of not showing up for training, but I'd wager you wouldn't be as fusses then?

 

In principle you are right regarding his value. With the information available I'd agree with you. However, if the owners (or Mahrez' agent) have said he's valued at say £50m only to move the goal posts, then as Mahrez you'd surely be frustrated and believe the club are actively prohibiting your career progress. 

My hunch is that his agent has not been straight with Mahrez, but possibly the club have not been straight about their current valuation of him either...?

[aefevans]

Hi guys,

 

This thing is quite similar to us with Marco Silva. I think ‘disillusioned’ is how we would describe him after we rejected Everton’s approach(es) for his services. Now that I’ve read reports of Mahrez missing training despite knowing where his future lies for the remainder of the season at least, I can see a lot of similarities. Silva wasn’t turning up for training by the end of it, either. 

 

Whether it it is Watford or Leicester, there’s this old saying in football, which is ‘play to the whistle’. Until it is confirmed otherwise, this is the club you are contracted to. You can either be a professional and crack on with the job at hand, or you can down tools in the hope of making a point. In Mahrez’ case, I hope it’s the former. It’s probably more risky for a player to get a good move after a period of no games than a manager.

 

Just relating this instance to some experiences of our own.

 

Anyway, carry on.

[goose2010]

Missing for tomorrow potential first game back for us against Man City

[EnglishOxide]

2 minutes ago, Gerard said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Mahrez has been told to take the rest of this week off as his head's not right and it will be disruptive to the squad to concentrate on this and not the match.

 

I thought this at first but there's reports he's been fined. And whilst not obligated to, you would think that the club would clarify the situation in the mean time as to not take focus off tomorrow's match.

[Old Fox]

2 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Not in training again today then? Pathetic. Why tarnish 4 of the best years of his career for the sake of a move to sit on the bench at a 'bigger club'? Full strength squad he wouldn't start for City.

I am not sure I agree with the fact that he would not get on City’s team. However, i agree he has tarnished his reputation and is being terribly advised.

 

City were devisive in their timing and should have approached us weeks ago if they were serious and Riyad should have put his head down until the club had accepted an offer. 

 

Modern football leaves a sour taste with the way clubs, agents and player power has never been stronger - all very sad and a bit of the joy in watching Riyad has died in this whole affair.

 

The owners are not to be messed with and I think this could get very messy as RM/advisors have hugely underestimated our owners ethical values and ability to be ruthless.

 

This could run on at RM’s expense both reputationally and financially.....it’s a sad situation 

[shen]

2 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

Bull shit. If they had bid earlier in the window he'd have gone for £60m. No way would we sell him on deadline day. And Its not as easy as to say have a replacement lined up. If we did to another team what city tried to do to us and bid for a star player on deadline day, said player who is probably worth £30m we would have had to pay £70m plus as that team also wouldn't have got a replacement. Or should they have had a replacement lined up as well just on the off chance city bid for Mahrez of deadline day and we then bid for their player. If City wanted him they should have bid earlier. End of story 

A deal could have been struck prior to agreeing the sale of Mahrez. There could have been a confidentiality agreement not to announce the Mahrez transfer until our club had signed a replacement. I don't claim to know the inner workings of football transfers, but we wouldn't necessarily get the short end of the stick if Mahrez had left on deadline day.

[Old Fox]

2 minutes ago, goose2010 said:

Missing for tomorrow potential first game back for us against Man City

 No chance - we will not see him before Sheff U at the earliest

[Almo-Fox]

53 minutes ago, the fox said:

 

this is what I ve said before the owners have to contact mahrez and revisit the contract put in a release clause 70-80m

 

get mahrez to play Saturday 

no time to waste

 

ps the owners have shown us that they never replace a top player by a top player e.g Kante 

so they prefer replace mahrez by potential diabate that a 50 m player

 

hope really diabate win us the game Saturday do we start feeling that the LWM is over 

[foxfanazer]

6 minutes ago, shen said:

Are you possibly mixing up empathy and sympathy? You did bring up his wages (irrelevant to me personally in this context). If he'd earned 50p it still wouldn't condone his actions of not showing up for training, but I'd wager you wouldn't be as fusses then?

 

In principle you are right regarding his value. With the information available I'd agree with you. However, if the owners (or Mahrez' agent) have said he's valued at say £50m only to move the goal posts, then as Mahrez you'd surely be frustrated and believe the club are actively prohibiting your career progress. 

My hunch is that his agent has not been straight with Mahrez, but possibly the club have not been straight about their current valuation of him either...?

Was the £50m valuation confirmed by anybody in the club? Genuine question as I’ve never actually saw where that figure came from

 

No I know what empathy means but I just don’t see where he’s coming from with this. The bids haven’t been good enough but he’s taking it out on the club when he should look closer to home for people to blame. He must be one of the most poorly represented footballers out there, they’ve screwed him as much as they have us

Edited 2 February 2018 by foxfanazer

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

id love it if Man City came out and said he needs to grow up, i doubt Pep is impresses by this. He may end up actually destroying his own career if he carries on like this.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

2 minutes ago, Old Fox said:

I am not sure I agree with the fact that he would not get on City’s team. However, i agree he has tarnished his reputation and is being terribly advised.

 

City were devisive in their timing and should have approached us weeks ago if they were serious and Riyad should have put his head down until the club had accepted an offer. 

 

Modern football leaves a sour taste with the way clubs, agents and player power has never been stronger - all very sad and a bit of the joy in watching Riyad has died in this whole affair.

 

The owners are not to be messed with and I think this could get very messy as RM/advisors have hugely underestimated our owners ethical values and ability to be ruthless.

 

This could run on at RM’s expense both reputationally and financially.....it’s a sad situation 

...and its getting more and more absurd

 

[jayfox26]

3 minutes ago, shen said:

A deal could have been struck prior to agreeing the sale of Mahrez. There could have been a confidentiality agreement not to announce the Mahrez transfer until our club had signed a replacement. I don't claim to know the inner workings of football transfers, but we wouldn't necessarily get the short end of the stick if Mahrez had left on deadline day.

I very much doubt we would have found an adequate replacement on deadline day. We all know we cannot like for like replace him as we won't be able to sign a player as talented as Mahrez but we should at least get the best option  we can. And I highly doubt any other club would have sold a star player to us on deadline day. City had a full month to sort this out so in my opinion the blame lies partly with them and alot with Mahrez for his ridiculous antics 

[VLC86]

OK, now he is being a dick.

[SamDZ]

4 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said:

id love it if Man City came out and said he needs to grow up, i doubt Pep is impresses by this. He may end up actually destroying his own career if he carries on like this.

His career is over already,  he is 27.

[shen]

3 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Was the £50m valuation confirmed by anybody in the club? Genuine question as I’ve never actually saw where that figure came from

 

No I know what empathy means but I just don’t see where he’s coming from with this. The bids haven’t been good enough but he’s taking it out on the club when he should look closer to home for people to blame. He must be one of the most poorly represented footballers out there, they’ve screwed him as much as us

I'm going by the rumoured figure we were gunning for in summer, and the bid Man City put in.

I do not know the quoted value and I doubt any of us do really.

It was just a not-so-far-fetched suggestion to how things might have looked from a Mahrez perpective. If he knew and accepted that his value is now 75-90m then he would maybe not be as angry as he seemingly is.

 

We agree that he's got crap representants!

[ZeGuy]

22 minutes ago, FIF said:

If it's a new contract with a release clause at 80m then he should agree a weekly wage of £20k. Do you think he'll agree to that?

 

What the guy has done this week is unacceptable. It is an insult to the owners, his teammates, the club and most of all the fans. He deserves a hefty fine and he needs to come back a contrite player. He wants to go, he will go and we need to plan for the future without him. That starts now. Maybe we'll sacrifice a few points this season but there's in no reason to make him the centre of the team's plan and there's every reason to build experience and confidence in the players that will be here after May - Diabaté, Gray, Silva, Iheanacho and Vardy. Drop Mahrez if he isn't performing to the best of his ability FOR THE TEAM.

 

Shocking title to this thread - three words of it suffice:

 

Grow Up Mahrez.

Please, spare me the outrage. Grew tired of it the last days and I'm personally trying to look at the situation from a constructive point of view.

 

Lol, why should he accept a wage reduction? He's already winning less than Jesse ****ing Lingard.  It's only about defining a release clause that would be acceptable for both parties since it's the major problem.

 

Your favourite Gray has been consistently shit since december and actually doing his very best to stay on the bench. Diabate is still new, Silva ain't a winger and Nacho is a striker. You need a playmaker and you have one of the best in league. Get him to play asap for the next months and try to finish as high as possible with maybe a place in the EL or win the FA Cup which would be good FOR THE CLUB AND THE TEAM. Unless you want to drop places on the table which would bad FOR THE CLUB AND THE TEAM.

 

We already made a big point by telling ManCity to fck off. The hardline will get us to nowhere from now on.

Edited 2 February 2018 by ZeGuy

[VLC86]

1 minute ago, SamDZ said:

His career is over already,  he is 27.

Well that's a ridiculous post.

[jayfox26]

11 minutes ago, aefevans said:

Hi guys,

 

This thing is quite similar to us with Marco Silva. I think ‘disillusioned’ is how we would describe him after we rejected Everton’s approach(es) for his services. Now that I’ve read reports of Mahrez missing training despite knowing where his future lies for the remainder of the season at least, I can see a lot of similarities. Silva wasn’t turning up for training by the end of it, either. 

 

Whether it it is Watford or Leicester, there’s this old saying in football, which is ‘play to the whistle’. Until it is confirmed otherwise, this is the club you are contracted to. You can either be a professional and crack on with the job at hand, or you can down tools in the hope of making a point. In Mahrez’ case, I hope it’s the former. It’s probably more risky for a player to get a good move after a period of no games than a manager.

 

Just relating this instance to some experiences of our own.

 

Anyway, carry on.

And from an outsider looking in, if this had been one of your players would you have sold them on deadline day or stuck to your guns. We have a few on here and in the media and fans of other clubs saying we should have just let him go. Personally i think we did the right thing because of the poor timing of the interest from man city 

[Countryfox]

6 minutes ago, Almo-Fox said:

this is what I ve said before the owners have to contact mahrez and revisit the contract put in a release clause 70-80m

 

get mahrez to play Saturday 

no time to waste

 

ps the owners have shown us that they never replace a top player by a top player e.g Kante 

so they prefer replace mahrez by potential diabate that a 50 m player

 

hope really diabate win us the game Saturday do we start feeling that the LWM is over 

 

The owners have not go to DO anything ...   Mahrez has got to get his lazy sulky arse back to the training ground and do what he is paid to do !!   end of.

 

And this is costing us as a club in terms of disruption and points lost ...     fine the little fooker.

[sly1]

Get your bloody boots & get on that pitch

[lifted*fox]

15 minutes ago, Gerard said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Mahrez has been told to take the rest of this week off as his head's not right and it will be disruptive to the squad to concentrate on this and not the match.

 

This is the most likely outcome tbh. 

 

You just know some sweaty little nerdlinger of a journo is sat outside the ground waiting for him every day so he can jizz his ****ing pants when he doesn't turn up; when actually he isn't going to turn up either way because he's been instructed not to. 

[ZeGuy]

2 minutes ago, SamDZ said:

His career is over already,  he is 27.

Mate did you ever try your luck as actor? You have some serious talent for drama.

[FLAN]

Won’t help his World Cup prospects 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

Am pretty annoyed that he is partly responsible for spoiling the game on Wednesday and potentially tomorrow too

 

No two ways about it, he is causing disrpution and our final points tally has maybe already suffered because of it

[foxfanazer]

7 minutes ago, SamDZ said:

His career is over already,  he is 27.

 behave!

 

The elite clubs don’t give two shits about signing stroppy, petulant players. He’ll go to one of the big clubs and he’ll either fit right in or drop down to a club similar in size to ours