Grow up and get behind Riyad, or: stop listening to the press and wait and see how he reacts on the pitch

[Mickyblueeyes]

4 minutes ago, Almo-Fox said:

the sole loser in mahrez case is the club not mahrez 

 

you can put in reserve team fine he will train get fit and play 

medias will follow his story for the remnant months and not precluding a strategy from his agent to work out for a move in the summer knowing that top 6 clubs or giant clubs in Europe follow their own interested and mahrez is  a confirmed top player and professional and had coutinho auba or Sanchez behaviors when forcing move

Have you heard of Pierre Van Hooijdonk?

Maybe Saido Berahino?

 

There is two ways this can go for Mahrez. In case of Van Dijk, Sanchez, Coutinho and Auba. Players allowed and respected their clubs to benefit considerably in order for the deal to "get done" on all sides. 

 

In Mahrez case, at present, he is not interested in letting Leicester benefit from the deal to a level you should expect for a player of his Calibre.

 

You cannot class him in that ilk of player and than blame our owners for request top drawer payment? It makes no sense and shows a level of stupidity. 

 

Where a player is not interested in understanding the importance of getting the best deal for his current club, it normally turns out like the Van Hooijdonk/Berahino situations - not good for anyone. 

 

Leicester are the only party who have acted with integrity throughout this current saga. I, for one am proud of that. 

 

Mahrez and Man City need to get their finger out, if they want a deal in the summer get it agreed in the four months you have from now until the summer. 

 

Not leave it it till the day before the end of the summer window and than decide you can't afford the money.

[LCFCFOX6190]

19 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Im not underrating Mahrez at all its just Sane and Sterling have been on fire and are also quicker players.

Mahrez has been better than Sane and is also better than Sterling. Not sure why we who have seen mahrez at his peak would say he couldn't get in the team.

[yorkie1999]

17 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

Did they what?

Put a bid in for Mahrez. There's a bit of a difference between an inquiry and a bid, and all of this saga seems to be a bit cloak and dagger and agents stirring the shit to help get an official bid in.

[ARTY_FOX]

1 hour ago, goose2010 said:

Missing for tomorrow potential first game back for us against Man City

Wouldn't it be delightful If he returns in that game a scores an worldie to win

Edited 2 February 2018 by ARTY_FOX

[Clever Fox]

On 2/1/2018 at 10:06, Redouane said:

100k/week isn't peanuts, but when you see Sanchez's 600k/week salary

 

I'm not arguing that Mahrez is better than Sanchez, but the difference in the quality of the players isn't as big as 500k/week. If you want to keep him at least, then money talks. 

 

This is the eternal problem with trying to value players. Is a forward any more valuable than a defender or a Goalkeeper. Yet just because they score the goals their nearly always valued higher.

Is Sanchez  any better than Mahrez. I'd argue that Mahrez is the better player simply because his game is more expansive and he scores Goals.

 

But if we want to keep him we need to pay him more that's for sure.

On the other hand if he could get 600 even 400k from MC. then it's difficult to argue against him looking out for his Family.  

[Old Fox]

38 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Seriously though would he start ahead of Sterling and Sane this season? Bernardo Silva has a higher celling too in my opinion. De Bruyne and David Silva pick themselves as the two 10's. Could even make a case for Gabriel Jesus playing ahead of Riyad. They also have Gundogan who plays 10 occasionally with Foden and Diaz coming through.

 

So for me Riyad would be the 3rd/4th choice winger.

You make valid points and I am not necessarily disagreeing but imo I think Riyad is potentially better than all of them in a Top side if his head is right.

 

imagine him getting the service in the last third consistently and I believe he could be world class - I maybe on my own ? with that view

 

 

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

You're absolutely not objective.

 

Contracts are not set in stone and can be renegociated. It happens all the time and not only in football. It doesn't matter if he signed a new one for two years. I told you that I want this crap to be put to bed as soon as possible with the less possible damage for the team.

 

Then we should have let him go. A 7th place is also part of the future of the club. It gives you more money and more prestige which in return allows to attract better players, You're utterly deluded or simply not objective if you think we can get the 7th place without him. Silva is a box to box midfielder and you have to be crazy to drop one of the finest wingers in the league after rejecting a ManCity's bid for him. His price will drop and we'll end selling for less than what was offered, not counting the bad publicity we'll get from the media who're so keen to find some crap about us.

 

What are you on about? He wants to go and performed to get his move. I see no problem with that as long it benefits the club.

 

 

 

I wouldn't expect to be objective - I'm a Leicester City fan. I'm surprised that you think you're objective.

 

If you check my Swansea team - in the match thread -  I left the possibility for him to play. But I have no problem with him being disciplined for simply not turning up to a match and I certainly am not blind enough as you seem to be to think that there isn't a good possibility that he won't give 100% in a match when he doesn't feel like it. He may be one of the finest wingers in the world but he has also proven to be capricious. As a Leicester fan I want him to play every week, if he is going to PLAY every week. If not I can support my team without him in it. I've never been a player over team fan.

 

Your dismissal of Silva's ability suprises me too. He has a proven international pedigree of being a playmaker. I'm happy to see if he is the man to play as our creative midfielder - it doesn't have to be an in and out winger who creates for us.

 

He didn't perform against Everton. He cost us 3 points and 7th position.

[what?]

3 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Depression is a long term and life inhibiting thing.  I honestly think as a society we should not entertain someone who doesnt get his move to Man City from Leicester, doesnt get his pay rise from over 100 k a week or whatever it is to 200 k and then starts talking about depression.  Its an insult to anyone who really suffers from it and its a massive insult to his team-mates and the club, where he is much revered and highly thought of.

 

But, I actually think this is just a word touted by his agent or whatever shit-muncher spoke to the press in order to garner sympathy and to slate Leicester City FC.  I think he saw Mahrez being sad and angry/disappointed maybe and used the word depression to describe his current doldrums

 

I dont think Mahrez is going around telling people he is depressed.

 

 

Your second point may very well be right. It is a word that can be thrown around for sympathy's sake and like I said, if that's the case here then I have very little sympathy for anyone involved and yeah, unfortunately we don't know. All we have is hearsay from probably the most unreliable sectors of press. Nothing would surprise me tbh. It could all be bullshit.

 

Your first point is off though. His wealth and success don't insulate his mind from injury any more than they do his body. I work in mental health and I have a lifetime of experience from both sides. You know there's a healthy debate in the field as to whether depression is even a thing. It's basically just medicalised sadness and there are plenty of very smart people that think we should't be diagnosing it at all. But the fact is that everyone has a point at which something can hit them so hard that they lose the ability to function in life from it. From our point of view as mere mortals not earning 100k a week it can seem ridiculous that anyone so privileged could experience such an event. And it's absolutely true that someone in Riyad's position is certainly better placed to deal with it than the average person. However he's not immune and no event is too small to or too large to spark such a crisis. 

[Muzzy_no7]

33 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

He's head and shoulders above Sterling.

Have you seen Sterling under pep this season?

[Almo-Fox]

13 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Have you heard of Pierre Van Hooijdonk?

Maybe Saido Berahino?

 

There is two ways this can go for Mahrez. In case of Van Dijk, Sanchez, Coutinho and Auba. Players allowed and respected their clubs to benefit considerably in order for the deal to "get done" on all sides. 

 

In Mahrez case, at present, he is not interested in letting Leicester benefit from the deal to a level you should expect for a player of his Calibre.

 

You cannot class him in that ilk of player and than blame our owners for request top drawer payment? It makes no sense and shows a level of stupidity. 

 

Where a player is not interested in understanding the importance of getting the best deal for his current club, it normally turns out like the Van Hooijdonk/Berahino situations - not good for anyone. 

 

Leicester are the only party who have acted with integrity throughout this current saga. I, for one am proud of that. 

 

Mahrez and Man City need to get their finger out, if they want a deal in the summer get it agreed in the four months you have from now until the summer. 

 

Not leave it it till the day before the end of the summer window and than decide you can't afford the money.

I don't know if you followed coutinho auba and Sanchez to force a move ( auba was always in disciplinary and missing games as he forced a move  znd coutinho made the same with livetpool to force a move but mahrez stayed professional 

 

regarding the benefits auba was bought 30 m and sold 60 m and mahrez bought 350k znd with 65 m   you can calculate 59 m benefits   

undrstanding this is not clever 

 

in mahrez affair and missing games     the owners are the sole losers 

[Muzzy_no7]

18 minutes ago, LCFCFOX6190 said:

Mahrez has been better than Sane and is also better than Sterling. Not sure why we who have seen mahrez at his peak would say he couldn't get in the team.

Because from what ive seen this season of all three players, in my opinion, the two Man City players have offered more.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

1 minute ago, what? said:

Your second point may very well be right. It is a word that can be thrown around for sympathy's sake and like I said, if that's the case here then I have very little sympathy for anyone involved and yeah, unfortunately we don't know. All we have is hearsay from probably the most unreliable sectors of press. Nothing would surprise me tbh. It could all be bullshit.

 

Your first point is off though. His wealth and success don't insulate his mind from injury any more than they do his body. I work in mental health and I have a lifetime of experience from both sides. You know there's a healthy debate in the field as to whether depression is even a thing. It's basically just medicalised sadness and there are plenty of very smart people that think we should't be diagnosing it at all. But the fact is that everyone has a point at which something can hit them so hard that they lose the ability to function in life from it. From our point of view as mere mortals not earning 100k a week it can seem ridiculous that anyone so privileged could experience such an event. And it's absolutely true that someone in Riyad's position is certainly better placed to deal with it than the average person. However he's not immune and no event is too small to or too large to spark such a crisis. 

I'm listening.  But just to clarify, I'm not saying rich people cant be depressed.  I dont even know if there is a correlation between poverty and mental ill health

 

I'm asking, sincerely, if you would consider this one set back to be enough to warrant depression?

 

I suppose one could consider it to be an ongoing personal setback if we také the last transfer window also into account.

 

I dont think we're really at odds here.  i just dont think he is depressed, nor claiming to be.  More angry at not getting what he wants

 

His agent or whoever it was is a fool and a dick for using the word

 

 

 

[Hammo]

With every passing moment that Mahrez stays silent on this and refuses to come into work and train, we become increasingly fed up with him, and his reputation - not just at Leicester but in the wider world - goes down a notch.

 

He is letting himself and everyone else down. I love Mahrez as a player - most skilful player we have ever had - but as a human being his attitude stinks. And whoever his advisers are, they don't appear to be up to much either (double entendre intended).

 

On the positive side it should be a raucously defiant atmosphere tomorrow.

 

 

[ZeGuy]

10 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Have you seen Sterling under pep this season?

Yes, he's improved immensely and he's still very young. He also plays with some the best footballers on the planet. 

 

But I still stand by what I said. If you think that Sterling is half the player Mahrez is, then you have a serious problem. The only thing Sterling has over Mahrez is the pace. For the rest, which actually a bit more important, aka passing, dribble, vision, BALL CONTROL and shot, Mahrez all day. 

 

Bring Sterling in here and let's have a laugh.

Edited 2 February 2018 by ZeGuy

[Merging Cultures]

Mahrez missed the 16/17 season, and often goes missing in games when things are against him. The only person missing out from him not training or playing is Mahrez. Top clubs won't pay what he is worth to us (when he plays) because of how inconsistent he is, and now due to an attitude problem where he isn't fulfilling his contractual obligations.

 

The club will march on, while a player's career is short and dependent on them performing as expected.

[ZeGuy]

Just now, FIF said:

I wouldn't expect to be objective - I'm a Leicester City fan. I'm surprised that you think you're objective.

 

If you check my Swansea team - in the match thread -  I left the possibility for him to play. But I have no problem with him being disciplined for simply not turning up to a match and I certainly am not blind enough as you seem to be to think that there isn't a good possibility that he won't give 100% in a match when he doesn't feel like it. He may be one of the finest wingers in the world but he has also proven to be capricious. As a Leicester fan I want him to play every week, if he is going to PLAY every week. If not I can support my team without him in it. I've never been a player over team fan.

 

Your dismissal of Silva's ability suprises me too. He has a proven international pedigree of being a playmaker. I'm happy to see if he is the man to play as our creative midfielder - it doesn't have to be an in and out winger who creates for us.

 

He didn't perform against Everton. He cost us 3 points and 7th position.

I'm trying to.

 

As much as I like him and have sympathy for his immense disappointement, Mahrez burned the bridges in a bad way and definitely tainted his legacy here. No amount of apologies or performances will ever change that. I consider his time at the club to be over and it wouldn't be great leap of faith to think that the owners and the board will sell him in the summer no matter what.

 

They can fine him for not turning up to the training for the principle, I'm perfectly fine with that too. How much will it change? Nothing. Things went so far that right now the only thing that matters is to end this situation

 

I never dismissed a Player after three games, let alone a guy like Silva. I like him. A lot. He still has to settle and has completely different profile from Mahrez. If possible I'd like to have both for the rest of the season.

[Crinklyfox]

Unfortunately by continuing to miss training Mahrez is digging himself into a hole.  He's let his teammates down and probably won't be too keen to face their ire giving him even more reason to stay away.  This doesn't end well for him, his reputation in the football world is being tarnished.  Someone at the club needs to find him, talk to him and bring him round to a way back.  The current situation is in no-one's interest.

[Muzzy_no7]

4 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

Yes, he 's improved immensely and he's still being very young. He also plays with some the best footballers on the planet. 

 

So yeah I still stand by what I said. If you think that Sterling is half the player Mahrez is, then you have a serious problem. The only thing Sterling has over Mahrez is the pace. For the rest, which actually a bit more important, aka passing, dribble, vision, BALL CONTROL and shot, Mahrez all day. 

 

Bring Sterling in here and let's have a laugh.

ooooo I have a problem. Terrific.

 

Mahrez just happens to play with Vardy and Okazaki most the time, two of the hardest working forwards youll find, creating all kinds of space for him.

 

Shall we go on the stats that everyone rinsed about comparing Mahrez to Coutinho? Sane and Sterling this season have breathed assists and goals.

[ZeGuy]

Just now, Muzzy_no7 said:

ooooo I have a problem. Terrific.

 

Mahrez just happens to play with Vardy and Okazaki most the time, two of the hardest working forwards youll find, creating all kinds of space for him.

 

Shall we go on the stats that everyone rinsed about comparing Mahrez to Coutinho? Sane and Sterling this season have breathed assists and goals.

Lol, whatever mate.

[what?]

1 minute ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

I'm listening.  But just to clarify, I'm not saying rich people cant be depressed.  I dont even know if there is a correlation between poverty and mental ill health

 

I'm asking, sincerely, if you would consider this one set back to be enough to warrant depression?

 

I suppose one could consider it to be an ongoing personal setback if we také the last transfer window also into account.

 

I dont think we're really at odds here.  i just dont think he is depressed, nor claiming to be.  More angry at not getting what he wants

 

His agent or whoever it was is a fool and a dick for using the word

 

 

 

Yeah I basically agree with you  and I wasn't suggesting that you specifically were being problematic over this. Just the general chatter once that word was used.

And yes, we've not had from any reliable source that he himself is claiming depression. I'm just saying that if that ever is verified then that's absolutely a legitimate reason to miss work.

 

I wouldn't ever go so far as to diagnose him from a distance but I think you're probably right to view this as an ongoing thing. He's wanted his big move for such a long time. It just sucks for all involved how it's been handled and I sincerely hope he can get back into form and get the move that he clearly wants. Unfortunately the only way to convince his suitors that he's worth what our owners are demanding is to play his socks off for the next four months and prove to everyone he's worth it. Based on how he's been in the past I'm not sure he's capable of that. 

 

[VLC86]

32 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Put a bid in for Mahrez. There's a bit of a difference between an inquiry and a bid, and all of this saga seems to be a bit cloak and dagger and agents stirring the shit to help get an official bid in.

I didn’t say they did?

[Mickyblueeyes]

13 minutes ago, Almo-Fox said:

I don't know if you followed coutinho auba and Sanchez to force a move ( auba was always in disciplinary and missing games as he forced a move  znd coutinho made the same with livetpool to force a move but mahrez stayed professional 

 

regarding the benefits auba was bought 30 m and sold 60 m and mahrez bought 350k znd with 65 m   you can calculate 59 m benefits   

undrstanding this is not clever 

 

in mahrez affair and missing games     the owners are the sole losers 

Well no. If you want to look at it purely on financials. The club spent £400k plus wages and have made this back on the premier league win and the champions league campaign. Purely on financials, we do not need to sell. 

 

Mahrez on the other hand will lose sharpness, usual progression and if he carries on the exposure he has worked so hard to accumulate.

 

The club will not be held to ransom. If Man City want him, pay for him in accordance with current market going rate. 

 

Otherwise, Riyad Mahrez, in two years will be signing for West Brom or Stoke or if he is really lucky, newly promoted Ipswich. 

 

We we will get what we want because, for once, this tiny little football club can flex its financial muscle.

[murphy]

3 hours ago, the fox said:

someone needs to slap him as hard as he can for the sake of everyone (including mahrez)

 

Form an orderly queue..

 

[Gerard]

6 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

ooooo I have a problem. Terrific.

 

Mahrez just happens to play with Vardy and Okazaki most the time, two of the hardest working forwards youll find, creating all kinds of space for him.

 

Shall we go on the stats that everyone rinsed about comparing Mahrez to Coutinho? Sane and Sterling this season have breathed assists and goals.

 

Goals and assists only metric and the percentage of those players that have been involved in their clubs goals this season.

 

Mahrez 40.5%

Sterling 27.4%

Sane 23.3%

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

3 minutes ago, what? said:

Yeah I basically agree with you  and I wasn't suggesting that you specifically were being problematic over this. Just the general chatter once that word was used.

And yes, we've not had from any reliable source that he himself is claiming depression. I'm just saying that if that ever is verified then that's absolutely a legitimate reason to miss work.

 

I wouldn't ever go so far as to diagnose him from a distance but I think you're probably right to view this as an ongoing thing. He's wanted his big move for such a long time. It just sucks for all involved how it's been handled and I sincerely hope he can get back into form and get the move that he clearly wants. Unfortunately the only way to convince his suitors that he's worth what our owners are demanding is to play his socks off for the next four months and prove to everyone he's worth it. Based on how he's been in the past I'm not sure he's capable of that. 

 

Its a test of his character and if he can return to the pitch and put in a good second half of the season it will be good for him personally and professionally.  This whole saga shows that he has not done enough to completely impress big clubs yet and playing here is still a good opportunity for him to do that.  Shame he cant see that atm