Grow up and get behind Riyad, or: stop listening to the press and wait and see how he reacts on the pitch

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

2 minutes ago, shen said:

To take Mahrez' side, you could rightly have expected your employer to prepare for your departure. That's really not on Mahrez and he can justifiably be disappointed and even angry that the club do not hold true to their word in this regard. After all, it's not even 6 months since we let Drinkwater go on deadline day and (tried to get him) replaced him straight away. 

And from Mahrez' point of view, he can rightly have the opinion that little has changed from the summer where his valuation was what Man City reportedly offered this time.

It's his career on limited time that is being jeopardised, seemingly in his eyes, because of the greed of the club. He is being treated as a commodity, not as a human being who has had a big part in the club achieving the status it currently has.

 

As started in another thread, I think the main culprit in this saga is Mahrez' agent. He's suckered his client, he's misled Man City and he's done everything in his power to shift the blame of his own failings on the club. Man City and Mahrez have been naïve, but hopefully Riyad will have wisened up to his agent's tactics.

 

Please stop this. We can all hope, but really it's much too early to say he's any good. Remember Zsolt Laczcko?

 

In what culture are handshakes printed on paper? ?

Regarding Drinkwater:  we got more than he is worth, imo, and it still fuched us over because of the Silva debacle - the club of our replacement target taking the piss cos they knew we needed to buy at the last minute.  Everyone slated our club for this mistake, i dont think they would have been keen to do this again and with a Mahrez replacement the situation would be even more difficult.  So this point of yours does not hold water

 

This second point is pretty much sentimental clap-trap. He is not being treated as a commodity.  The fans of the club which numbers in the thousands want to see our club respected and dealt with fairly.  They are happy to sell, for market value with time to replace

 

As to things changing from the summer.  Yes. Van D, Coutinho.  And its January and its deadline day.  These are crucial parts of this puzzle which need to be taken into account

 

In no culture are handshakes printed.  Thats why everyone should stop banging on about them.

[Guest]

Wherever we lay the blame for this pretty sorry state of affairs I think we can probably all agree that he needs a more professional agent/s

[SamDZ]

1 hour ago, foxfanazer said:

You know this how?

The way you knew City offer was two days before the window shuts, or do you believe just what you want?  

[ZeGuy]

1 minute ago, desertfox2 said:

The 50m fee in the summer is irrelevant. January all prices tend to be inflated and any replacement we tried to sign on deadline day the selling club would see we were desperate and try to fleece us. 65m might have been acceptable beginning of Jan but the day the window shuts it wasn't. Man city were trying to be clever/devious banking on Mahrez doing what he did and throw a strop to force a move. It backfired. Serves them right. But the amount of reports that seem to suggest because he was valued at 50m in the summer we should accept that on deadline day are nonsense. Values change all the time.

It's not all lost, it backfired now but they truly unsettled him and will probably come again to get him this summer for 55-60M.

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, SamDZ said:

The way you knew City offer was two days before the window shuts, or do you believe just what you want?  

Maybe none of it happened at all. Maybe Mahrez actually did play against Everton and we won.

[Ric Flair]

4 hours ago, MahrezFan said:

Hello LCFC fans,

 

Another Algerian here:). I started reading through this thread and find it very interesting and wanted to give my two cents of what I think is happening. The truth has to be told that LCFC will not sell Mahrez till January 2020 when he will only have 6 months left in his contract. You are probably thinking his value will be all gone by that time, yes it is true but the overall finances of the club will be better off that way. Let me try to explain.

 

The current valuation of LCFC is about £350 M mostly coming from broadcasting, brand and merchandise. LCFC has also healthy finances since they are also making about £20 M in profit every year and don’t have any urgent need for money.

 

Now if God forbid LCFC is relegated their value will drop to £70 M at best which is usually the value of the top teams in championship. Besides the drop in valuation they might not be able to pay their best players because of lack of revenue and might need to offload them. Fortunately or unfortunately the survival of LCFC in the premier league depends a lot on Mahrez so they have no choice but to keep him to protect the business. Even if they sell at £95 M they won’t be able to replace him as no player of this price tag or caliber will come to LCFC.

 

The £95 M valuation for Mahrez is unrealistic and just a poor excuse because they told him if there is fair offer we will let you go, just to give enough hope for him to go on. There are only a handful of teams like Barca or Real who can spend this much money on a single player to be a central figure in the team, but as much as I like Mahrez he cannot be a starter in any of those teams, so none of those is going to pay £95 M on a player to put him on a bench. The offer from Man City is probably the best the team will ever get. People keep comparing with the fee paid for Courtinho or van Dijk but those are outliers triggered by the Neymar PSG deal that trickled down. It’s more reasonable to compare him with Aubmeyang(55 M), Lacazette(46 M), Salah(39 M),.. And you can argue that any of those players might be better than Mahrez.

 

Now what can Mahrez do to force a move before January 2020? Unfortunately for him he is squared and not much. If he refuses to play it will be very risky and suicidal from his part as this will tarnish what is left from his reputation, if he plays well the club will be more than happy to increase his “fair valuation” to fend off any eventual offers. He probably understands by now how the game works and is trying to figure out his next move. I read here people saying he is naïve and should not have signed the contract in the summer of 2016, I think he did not have a choice at that time, the club pressured him to sign without a release clause and he could not start a conflict with the club at that time. Mahrez is in a unique situation where it’s too risky for the club to let him go.

 

At the end it’s just business and each party will use whatever means they have to protect their interests including throwing a tantrum  . .

 

Cheers,

Incorrect. Mahrez is being courted by other PL teams, those players you've quoted have come to the PL from other countries where they haven't the same obscene TV money that is awash in the PL. The fact is smaller clubs like Leicester aren't under pressure to sell now as they've a lot of TV money that allows them to recruit without having to sell and balance the books. We resisted the bids for a few reasons, 1) it was very late in the window to get a suitable replacement to appease the fans and not let our season peter out and miss Europe 2) Coutinho and Van Dijk went for stupid money and Man City are collecting average defenders for the same price they were willing to pay for one of the best attacking players in the league. We were right to turn the bids down and send a message to the elite clubs. Pay up or fcuk off. If they were that serious about Mahrez they'd have gone above £70 million, but their arrogance that we dared ask for his market value is astounding. Whether Van Dijk and Coutinho are outliers, it doesn't matter. We expect Mahrez to be the same otherwise he stays put for now. We don't negotiate with arseholes.

[desertfox2]

1 minute ago, ZeGuy said:

It's not all lost, it backfired now but they truly unsettled him and will probably come again to get him this summer for 55-60M.

True. providing we can get him to training and on the pitch soon 55-60m is better for us with time to find a replacement than 65m with no time and over inflated fees. The Everton shambles was seriously annoying but if we can get him playing for rest of the season we have a very good chance of Europa still which should help us attract better players. I realize we messed up transfers when we had champions league but that wasn't through not being able to attract better it was just really poor recruitment. Puel with his knowledge of France should be ideal as let's face it our best place to shop in europe is probably France. Values, Quality and being able to attract players from there.

[deep blue]

49 minutes ago, Redouane said:

Exactly this. I dont get why everything is talking about loyalty when last season everybody was saying "get rid of Mahrez, he is a one season wonder" and now everybody 100 million ?

Who is this "everybody" you are speaking for.  It certainly doesn't include me. Perhaps, in order to justify this assertion, you could usefully spend your time scouring all the posts about Mahrez last season and come up with a proveable figure for the percentage of posters who expressed that view.

[ZeGuy]

Just now, Gerbold said:

I'm not sure any of this is relevant to the situation. Notwithstanding Mahrez's personal disappointment how would the Club prepare for his departure when the conditions around it have to wait for negotiations to finish. Do you think they have a 'Marhrez plan' or a 'Vardy plan' secreted in a filing cabinet? That would be exceptional foresight for a football club. The Club hasn't been "greedy" - how can a club be greedy? Don't you mean the owner? If so, he could be said to be protecting his interests - after all that's his ultimate responsibility - to ensure the fluidity of LCFC. You can't point to six months ago as an arbiter of what the situation is now - the market has changed. it's naive to think the owner would agree to sell off a worth accruing asset at a redundant valuation!

As to his limited career - save your sympathy for someone playing in League Two. Mahrez has enough to pay for financial advice for the best possible utilisation of his earnings - which are vast.

If you're looking for a villain - it's football itself. A moribund and sloth-slow Football Association unable to govern its remit effectively. Too many interlopers with too much money, too much ego, too much greed.

Good to see posting more often.

[shen]

5 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Regarding Drinkwater:  we got more than he is worth, imo, and it still fuched us over because of the Silva debacle - the club of our replacement target taking the piss cos they knew we needed to buy at the last minute.  Everyone slated our club for this mistake, i dont think they would have been keen to do this again and with a Mahrez replacement the situation would be even more difficult.  So this point of yours does not hold water

 

This second point is pretty much sentimental clap-trap. He is not being treated as a commodity.  The fans of the club which numbers in the thousands want to see our club respected and dealt with fairly.  They are happy to sell, for market value with time to replace

 

As to things changing from the summer.  Yes. Van D, Coutinho.  And its January and its deadline day.  These are crucial parts of this puzzle which need to be taken into account

 

In no culture are handshakes printed.  Thats why everyone should stop banging on about them.

Note that I was trying to put myself in Mahrez' shoes and see it through his eyes. I'm trying to empathise with him, but as I stated above and in another thread, I absolve our club of blame. It has acted wholly within reason. That doesn't mean I cannot understand Mahrez' disappointment. He will not have the same view as you or me, because he's the party that has lost out on a great opportunity.

 

I wish less of our fans would stop acting so butthurt and understand it's a human on the other side.

All the hypocritic comments a la "he earns 100k a week, he should try MY work for MY pay and see how that feels" are cringeworthy.

Do these fools compare themselves to subsistence farmers in poor parts of this world who can only dream of the fortunes we have? 

 

I realise relativity is a tough concept to grasp, but the state of football is what it is. If these people are so jealous of what footballers earn and cannot deal with it, I suggest to them they preoccupy themselves with something else than LCFC. In terms that people of Vardy's IQ and lower will understand: "Deal with it or 'jog on'"

 

(This wasn't aimed at you AlloverthefloorYeaNdidi)

 

10 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

What a load of drivel. You’ve not even got the excuse of being a fanboy

Some people like you obviously struggle with empathy. That's fine. I can't be mad at that, but it would explain the number of gasketblowers in the wake of recent developments.

[foxfanazer]

Wish people would stop saying our Premier league status depends on Mahrez. He’s a great player but I feel we’d replace adequately enough to stay in the league 

Edited 2 February 2018 by foxfanazer

[The Horse's Mouth]

Just let the **** go, sick of this. He clearly doesn't want to be here and throws his toys out the pram at any right of a big move. 

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, shen said:

Note that I was trying to put myself in Mahrez' shoes and see it through his eyes. I'm trying to empathise with him, but as I stated above and in another thread, I absolve our club of blame. It has acted wholly within reason. That doesn't mean I cannot understand Mahrez' disappointment. He will not have the same view as you or me, because he's the party that has lost out on a great opportunity.

 

I wish less of our fans would stop acting so butthurt and understand it's a human on the other side.

All the hypocritic comments a la "he earns 100k a week, he should try MY work for MY pay and see how that feels" are cringeworthy.

Do these fools compare themselves to subsistence farmers in poor parts of this world who can only dream of the fortunes we have? 

 

I realise relativity is a tough concept to grasp, but the state of football is what it is. If these people are so jealous of what footballers earn and cannot deal with it, I suggest to them they preoccupy themselves with something else than LCFC. In terms that people of Vardy's IQ and lower will understand: "Deal with it or 'jog on'"

 

(This wasn't aimed at you AlloverthefloorYeaNdidi)

 

Some people like you obviously struggle with empathy. That's fine. I can't be mad at that, but it would explain the number of gasketblowers in the wake of recent developments.

You’re right I have zero empathy for a footballer on £100k a week who gladly accepted that contract and now he’s a bitch fit because no other team thinks he’s as good as he does or we do

[ZeGuy]

3 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Wish people would stop saying our Premier league status depends on Mahrez. He’s a great player but I feel we’d replace adequately enough to stay in the league 

It's not about staying in the league. It's about aiming higher and players like him make the difference.

[deep blue]

30 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

I tend to think so too. The parasites who hang around him don't help his case at all. Why couldn't he chose a real agent instead of the fraud on his side? Just because he's algerian?

Makes me think of Gazza. Can't help but think that he's unwise in his choice of friends and agents, and overlistens to them.

[MC Prussian]

In find today's live coverage by the BBC highly amusing.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/42915407

#findmahrez

 

[foxfanazer]

3 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

It's not about staying in the league. It's about aiming higher and players like him make the difference.

Oh yeah I agree with that. To me he’s the difference between us being ‘the best of the rest’ and just another mid table team.

 

was directed at the person who said the owners will keep him here until 2020 because we’d get relegated without him. I feel like we’re a solid team with or without Mahrez. Would just need someone with that touch of magic to replace him

[the fox]

 

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

9 minutes ago, shen said:

Note that I was trying to put myself in Mahrez' shoes and see it through his eyes. I'm trying to empathise with him, but as I stated above and in another thread, I absolve our club of blame. It has acted wholly within reason. That doesn't mean I cannot understand Mahrez' disappointment. He will not have the same view as you or me, because he's the party that has lost out on a great opportunity.

 

I wish less of our fans would stop acting so butthurt and understand it's a human on the other side.

All the hypocritic comments a la "he earns 100k a week, he should try MY work for MY pay and see how that feels" are cringeworthy.

Do these fools compare themselves to subsistence farmers in poor parts of this world who can only dream of the fortunes we have? 

 

I realise relativity is a tough concept to grasp, but the state of football is what it is. If these people are so jealous of what footballers earn and cannot deal with it, I suggest to them they preoccupy themselves with something else than LCFC. In terms that people of Vardy's IQ and lower will understand: "Deal with it or 'jog on'"

 

(This wasn't aimed at you AlloverthefloorYeaNdidi)

 

Some people like you obviously struggle with empathy. That's fine. I can't be mad at that, but it would explain the number of gasketblowers in the wake of recent developments.

I can see your point and I can empathise with him to an extent.  

But for me its not like a club has really shown an interest in him to the point where they really want him

 

I actually would be very interested in seeing him play at a club like Manchester City, would like to see how he would do and I think he's good enough

 

But the bids coming in have been late or/and derisory and to accept them would be harmful to the club.  I suppose we must see that he's not a kid from Leicester so he wont see it that way.  I dont think we should be hating the guy, I just want him to finish a committed season with us and go to a team that wants him, but I also think that there is no need to accept his behaviour as he is not even treating himself with respect.

 

He should be proud and believe that a club should want him at the start of a window, not when Leroy Sane gets injured

 

I want him to act like the baller he is

[shen]

8 minutes ago, Gerbold said:

I'm not sure any of this is relevant to the situation. Notwithstanding Mahrez's personal disappointment how would the Club prepare for his departure when the conditions around it have to wait for negotiations to finish. Do you think they have a 'Marhrez plan' or a 'Vardy plan' secreted in a filing cabinet? That would be exceptional foresight for a football club. The Club hasn't been "greedy" - how can a club be greedy? Don't you mean the owner? If so, he could be said to be protecting his interests - after all that's his ultimate responsibility - to ensure the fluidity of LCFC. You can't point to six months ago as an arbiter of what the situation is now - the market has changed. it's naive to think the owner would agree to sell off a worth accruing asset at a redundant valuation!

As to his limited career - save your sympathy for someone playing in League Two. Mahrez has enough to pay for financial advice for the best possible utilisation of his earnings - which are vast.

If you're looking for a villain - it's football itself. A moribund and sloth-slow Football Association unable to govern its remit effectively. Too many interlopers with too much money, too much ego, too much greed.

Firstly, I don't disagree with anything that you say here. Do you think Mahrez would agree with you though?

 

Obviously the club has identified potential replacements. It would be shockingly poor planning and irresponsible not to have targets and already prenegotiated potential deals during a transfer window when Mahrez has looked to leave several times and been the team's biggest asset. It's not like this is the first time it has happened in football transfer history. If the whole Aubameyang transfer and the complicated jigsaw fell into place in such a short time, why should it have been a challenge to get it done in time for a Mahrez replacement who was likely identified long ago?

 

Why should Mahrez have sympathy with any League Two players? Is he not within his rights to maximise his lifetime earnings? Why should he behave differently to any other human in his position, and why should we expect that he does? It's hypocritic and jealous behaviour from the people that do.

He's earned the contract he currently has because he has vast amounts of talent on a football pitch and was fortunate enough that he got a break with us.

[shen]

15 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

You’re right I have zero empathy for a footballer on £100k a week who gladly accepted that contract and now he’s a bitch fit because no other team thinks he’s as good as he does or we do

So we can establish that you're butthurt because he's earning a lot more than you. 

Mahrez was facing the prospect of a huge increase in salary again (no doubt) and was probably under the impression that the club would accept a sizeable bid for him (and if he earns 100k, lets not pretend £50m isn't a huge amount, that would be double standards).

 

His agent, Grima Wormtongue, has seemingly misled his client and now Mahrez is smarting. Perhaps Mahrez isn't too smart and still believes his advisor.

 

Don't think you can hold that against him though.

[Fox 4 Life]

Apparently the player was Roberts. Should have just sold the ungrateful twat, at least we were getting back a potential future star. Mahrez would have played until Sane was back and then started sulking again when he was benched.

[foxfanazer]

1 minute ago, shen said:

So we can establish that you're butthurt because he's earning a lot more than you. 

Mahrez was facing the prospect of a huge increase in salary again (no doubt) and was probably under the impression that the club would accept a sizeable bid for him (and if he earns 100k, lets not pretend £50m isn't a huge amount, that would be double standards).

 

His agent, Grima Wormtongue, has seemingly misled his client and now Mahrez is smarting. Perhaps Mahrez isn't too smart and still believes his advisor.

 

Don't think you can hold that against him though.

£50m is a huge amount, of course it is. Not for a player that the club value closer to £80m it isn’t though. He earns 100k because that’s what he negotiated with the club, nothing about being butthurt. How can the club give him more money when he doesn’t want to sign a new contract? 

[ZeGuy]

3 minutes ago, Fox 4 Life said:

Apparently the player was Roberts. Should have just sold the ungrateful twat, at least we were getting back a potential future star. Mahrez would have played until Sane was back and then started sulking again when he was benched.

Rubbish.

[Happy Fox]

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