If you were prime minster tomorrow....

[STEVIE B]

1. Bring back the death penalty. ( 15 years=life in prison, what’s that all about !? )

2. Scrap tuition fees. 

3. Driving while using a phone should mean a ban, fines aren’t working. 

[The Quick Brown Fox]

1 hour ago, lifted*fox said:

particularly surprised at the number of people saying about building more prisons and making them tougher as well. 

 

we need to spend that money on helping people avoid prison in the first place through education / rehabilitation / removing them from dangerous situations / gangs / crime, etc. 

 

locking more people up isn't the answer ffs.

 

honestly, some people just want to take the easy route to everything. 

How do you educate people to not fiddle with kids? I would think that's taught to all and it still happens. The ****ers should hang, I don't care if that's archaic. Anyone that takes a life (physically or mentally) doesn't deserve to live in a cushy prison with 3 meals a day and the change to grow stronger. Think what you want but you can't educate people to not be *****.

[leicsmac]

Oh...and one more I hadn't thought of:

 

5. Train a fully deniable hit squad and let them loose on any and all illegal ivory buyers.

[lifted*fox]

59 minutes ago, browniefox said:

How do you educate people to not fiddle with kids? I would think that's taught to all and it still happens. The ****ers should hang, I don't care if that's archaic. Anyone that takes a life (physically or mentally) doesn't deserve to live in a cushy prison with 3 meals a day and the change to grow stronger. Think what you want but you can't educate people to not be *****.

 

You can't just go killing everyone. It's taken us many years to evolve as a society to the point where we don't do such ridiculous archaic things. 

 

For a start you're putting lives in the hands of judge and jury who can be wrong / bought, etc. 

 

This is why the death penalty is rarely used / trusted even in the odd state in America where it's still legal. The system isn't watertight and before you know it you're sending innocent people to their death for crimes they haven't committed.  

 

It's an uneducated and emotional response to something you fear - it's not practical and it isn't suitable for the world we live in.  

[UpTheLeagueFox]

1. Give away loads of money and kittens

2. Bankrupt the country

3. Make promises I know I couldn't keep

 

(c) Comrade Jeremy

[foxile5]

Make an earnest and impassioned attempt to remove the monarchy - these people are just leeching from the state.

 

Make it illegal to drive around the country and live in lay-bys in caravans - we've tolerated this particular blight for too long.

 

Drop the wage boundary for MPs to below that of the average wage - we would then get politicians who WANT to do the job, not want the money.

[Daggers]

On 24/02/2018 at 11:34, Buce said:

 

This forum would be decimated...

 

Decimated = only removing one tenth

 

 

[Buce]

18 minutes ago, Daggers said:

 

Decimated = only removing one tenth

 

 

 

And your point is?

[oakman]

1. Mandatory prison sentence for attacking members of Police, Fire Service, Ambulance etc..

2. Bring back the Pound note - something more satisfying about having 20 £1 notes rather than 1 £20.

3. Scrap tuition fees

[lifted*fox]

1 minute ago, oakman said:

2. Bring back the Pound note - something more satisfying about having 20 £1 notes rather than 1 £20.

 

I literally don't understand the point in coins under a pound really. Have a £1 note and then maybe a 50p and 20p piece, at a stretch. 

 

1p, 2p, 5p and 10p are pretty much useless poverty coins that nobody uses. 

 

Melt all that coin back down and use it to make horseshoes so we can make sure all our horses have nice new shoes. Or something. 

 

You'd honestly think it would be better to just make everything card reader capable now. Vending machines have done it. Eventually my weed guy will hand me my weed and I'll just tap my card on his forehead, transaction complete. 

[fuchsntf]

On 23.2.2018 at 21:58, yorkie1999 said:

1, Throw every pot smoking hippy in jail for using gateway drugs.

2, Tell the self appointed commie bastard bureaucrats where to stick their schezwan zone

3,  With the money saved from keeping pot smoking hippies off the street i'd introduce a national "visit the Caribbean and lie on a beach drinking pina coladas watching the yachts sail by" day.

4, Every overweight mcdonald munching lazy fvcker sitting at home all day watching Jeremy Kyle and claiming a national basic income would be forced to visit a electricity generating facility and spend 2 hours daily on a cycling machine that is connected to a dynamo therefore both creating power for the grid and losing weight.

No4.  Offer me 50 quid an hour,then give me  the Job permanently.

          With guarranteed electric motorcycling holidays.Free Carlesberg,and Heineken.

          Early retirement,with electric-bus Pass.

No5. 2nd Job. Bed +Sleep Tester,with Overtime in cold Winter months.late retirement.

 

[ealingfox]

On 26/02/2018 at 18:14, oakman said:

1. Mandatory prison sentence for attacking members of Police, Fire Service, Ambulance etc..

2. Bring back the Pound note - something more satisfying about having 20 £1 notes rather than 1 £20.

3. Scrap tuition fees

 

Alright Sean.

[Finnegan]

On 23/02/2018 at 20:58, yorkie1999 said:

1, Throw every pot smoking hippy in jail for using gateway drugs.

2, Tell the self appointed commie bastard bureaucrats where to stick their schezwan zone

3,  With the money saved from keeping pot smoking hippies off the street i'd introduce a national "visit the Caribbean and lie on a beach drinking pina coladas watching the yachts sail by" day.

4, Every overweight mcdonald munching lazy fvcker sitting at home all day watching Jeremy Kyle and claiming a national basic income would be forced to visit a electricity generating facility and spend 2 hours daily on a cycling machine that is connected to a dynamo therefore both creating power for the grid and losing weight.

 

Yeah because legalising weed would make absolutely no tax and commercial revenue what so ever. 

 

 

[Finnegan]

On 23/02/2018 at 23:12, urban.spaceman said:

1. Close down faith schools and enforce the mixing of children whose parents come from all religious groups. Embolden RE teaching but enshrine in law that every lesson ends with "which is why that's obviously bollocks". 

 

Alright there Joseph. 

 

 

[RobHawk]

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Yeah because legalising weed would make absolutely no tax and commercial revenue what so ever. 

 

 

Its a no brainer in this day and age. We are so far behind with this its unreal. 

 

Theres states in the US, that having seen the income its made in other states are now looking to legalise it to fill pension blackholes they have no other way of covering. 

 

At the very least it would make the brexit debate more interesting if we were all stoned off our tits! 

[yorkie1999]

6 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Yeah because legalising weed would make absolutely no tax and commercial revenue what so ever. 

 

 

You're right, it would make absolutely nothing in revenue, because every man and his dog would be growing the stuff on his allotment or in the garage, in fact the country would probably lose money due to the loss of revenue from fines. The only reason people don't grow it themselves is because it's illegal to do so. What are you envisaging, cannabis factories making joints and flogging them in the shops so hmrc can take 80% tax from it like they do with fags or authorized street sellers flogging it and handing over 3/4 of their profits to the taxman. I'm pretty sure you ain't going to be paying 80% over the cost of what you pay now. fvckin junkie.

[Innovindil]

2 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

You're right, it would make absolutely nothing in revenue, because every man and his dog would be growing the stuff on his allotment or in the garage, in fact the country would probably lose money due to the loss of revenue from fines. The only reason people don't grow it themselves is because it's illegal to do so. What are you envisaging, cannabis factories making joints and flogging them in the shops so hmrc can take 80% tax from it like they do with fags or authorized street sellers flogging it and handing over 3/4 of their profits to the taxman. I'm pretty sure you ain't going to be paying 80% over the cost of what you pay now. fvckin junkie.

You sure you ain't on drugs? 

 

If it's legalised and grown in bulk, it will be cheap as balls. You could sell it for the same price as on the street now, still make a profit and still pay tax on it. Not to mention you won't have police wasting resources giving dave a slap on the wrist for having a couple of grams. 

[Guest MattP]

12 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

You're right, it would make absolutely nothing in revenue, because every man and his dog would be growing the stuff on his allotment or in the garage, in fact the country would probably lose money due to the loss of revenue from fines. The only reason people don't grow it themselves is because it's illegal to do so. What are you envisaging, cannabis factories making joints and flogging them in the shops so hmrc can take 80% tax from it like they do with fags or authorized street sellers flogging it and handing over 3/4 of their profits to the taxman. I'm pretty sure you ain't going to be paying 80% over the cost of what you pay now. fvckin junkie.

It's estimated to be worth about 1billion to the treasury - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39949072

 

So not a massive amount, but not a pittance either. The key to the argument still is the can you legalise something that many professionals believe causes some quite serious illnesses and mental health problems - for a government to pass legislation relating to health that goes against the advice of the Department of Health or the GMC would be a huge step to take.

[Samilktray]

20 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

You're right, it would make absolutely nothing in revenue, because every man and his dog would be growing the stuff on his allotment or in the garage, in fact the country would probably lose money due to the loss of revenue from fines. The only reason people don't grow it themselves is because it's illegal to do so. What are you envisaging, cannabis factories making joints and flogging them in the shops so hmrc can take 80% tax from it like they do with fags or authorized street sellers flogging it and handing over 3/4 of their profits to the taxman. I'm pretty sure you ain't going to be paying 80% over the cost of what you pay now. fvckin junkie.

It's really not that easy to grow good quality weed yourself, so if the option to go and buy good quality stuff legally from specialized shops was there, the majority would buy it there 

[Innovindil]

14 minutes ago, MattP said:

It's estimated to be worth about 1billion to the treasury - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39949072

 

So not a massive amount, but not a pittance either. The key to the argument still is the can you legalise something that many professionals believe causes some quite serious illnesses and mental health problems - for a government to pass legislation relating to health that goes against the advice of the Department of Health or the GMC would be a huge step to take.

The counter argument being I'd suggest the majority of people that want to smoke weed already do. Wouldn't it be better health wise if it was regulated? Guaranteed to be free of dodgy pollutants and a specific strength? 

[Guest MattP]

4 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

The counter argument being I'd suggest the majority of people that want to smoke weed already do. Wouldn't it be better health wise if it was regulated? Guaranteed to be free of dodgy pollutants and a specific strength? 

I'm still undecided on the whole issue. I believe in individual liberty but I also have seen the effects on some people from first hand experience.

 

I do think the argument for legalisation has to better than people do it anyway or booze is worse though. 

[yorkie1999]

37 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

You sure you ain't on drugs? 

 

If it's legalised and grown in bulk, it will be cheap as balls. You could sell it for the same price as on the street now, still make a profit and still pay tax on it. Not to mention you won't have police wasting resources giving dave a slap on the wrist for having a couple of grams. 

It's all ifs and buts though, the reality will be that people will grow a couple of plants in the conservatory or the the greenhouse so no money will get made, and if you ask me, that should be the argument for legalising it, that way the criminal element is taken away. Legal to grow it for your own consumption, but illegal to grow it for profit, much like home brew beer.

[Buce]

36 minutes ago, MattP said:

It's estimated to be worth about 1billion to the treasury - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39949072

 

So not a massive amount, but not a pittance either. The key to the argument still is the can you legalise something that many professionals believe causes some quite serious illnesses and mental health problems - for a government to pass legislation relating to health that goes against the advice of the Department of Health or the GMC would be a huge step to take.

 

 

It ignored advice from (and subsequently disbanded) the body they themselves had tasked with assessing whether it should be legalised because they didn't like the answer that they were given. How is that any different?

 

And they sacked their own 'drugs tzar' when he concluded that alcohol was more dangerous:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/30/drugs-adviser-david-nutt-sacked

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/6470090/Three-more-drug-advisers-quit-over-sacking-of-Professor-David-Nutt.html

Edited 1 March 2018 by Buce

[Innovindil]

6 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

It's all ifs and buts though, the reality will be that people will grow a couple of plants in the conservatory or the the greenhouse so no money will get made, and if you ask me, that should be the argument for legalising it, that way the criminal element is taken away. Legal to grow it for your own consumption, but illegal to grow it for profit, much like home brew beer.

It's not all ifs and buts though is it. You've just had evidence posted right in front of you that where it has been made available it has made a substantial amount of money through taxes. 

 

Personally, I don't want to grow my own. I know nothing about the process and wouldn't want to dedicate time to learning it. It doesn't make sense to back a grow your own law and not a grow for profit/taxes law that could be regulated. 

 

20 minutes ago, MattP said:

I'm still undecided on the whole issue. I believe in individual liberty but I also have seen the effects on some people from first hand experience.

 

I do think the argument for legalisation has to better than people do it anyway or booze is worse though. 

The argument already is better than that. You've seen the effects on people, undoubtedly caused by them smoking weeds with stupidly high levels of thc, wouldn't it be better to be able to know what it is your smoking? 

[Finnegan]

1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said:

You're right, it would make absolutely nothing in revenue, because every man and his dog would be growing the stuff on his allotment or in the garage, in fact the country would probably lose money due to the loss of revenue from fines. The only reason people don't grow it themselves is because it's illegal to do so. What are you envisaging, cannabis factories making joints and flogging them in the shops so hmrc can take 80% tax from it like they do with fags or authorized street sellers flogging it and handing over 3/4 of their profits to the taxman. I'm pretty sure you ain't going to be paying 80% over the cost of what you pay now. fvckin junkie.

 

Aye, like we're all out growing tobacco and hops you mean? Or vegetables, cereals and mushrooms for that matter. 

 

Not sure if thick or trolling. Pretty sure both. 

 

Don't give a **** what your views on legalisation are morally or ethically. I'm undecided myself. But if you don't think it'd end up being a multi billion pound industry you're a simp in the ****ing extreme. 

Edited 1 March 2018 by Finnegan