The problem is that our players are quitters.

[MC Prussian]

7 minutes ago, oadby.fox said:

I think there is a little bit of truth in what most sensible posters have said, whether it is in Puel's favour or not. 

 

Mahrez's strop had an effect, changing managers in the way that we have has had an effect, the highs of the great escape, league win and champions league has also been contrasted with crashing back home to earth-type performances that have been abysmal and embarrassing. 

 

We all know that this group of players can play better than they have been playing, but we also know that the recruitment has been poor over the past two years and it feels like the players we have signed have either not been selected in line with any progressive vision, or that whoever has been managing them hasn't effectively moulded them into the team and properly utilised them. Could it be too much player power and unrest? Maybe we need a team therapist!

 

I don't know much about what goes on behind the scenes, but for me the motivation has to come from the manager. If Mahrez has upset the dressing room then maybe don't put him right back into the team and continue to select him above others who are performing better, if Dragovic is playing well then let him have a run and drop Morgan, if there is a poor performance then do something to rectify it, try a different approach. 

Funnily enough, we did have one in the shape of Ken Way - before he was allegedly sacked by Ranieri:

Quote

... Way realised he was being let go only when he asked the club’s kit men for his kit allocation ahead of the season opener, and they mumbled something about his not yet being ready. “They sort of fobbed me off,” he recalls, sadly. “Told me to come back later. At the time I didn’t think much of it but I realise now that they knew I wasn’t being kept on…” 

Sure enough, a few days after Leicester’s 2-1 defeat at Hull City, Way got a letter from the club thanking him for his services but telling him he would no
longer be needed. ...

.... "Without wishing to be unkind, I think Claudio rode a bit on the coat-tails of Nigel, who had really built a special bond with the players and staff. He profited from the platform they created.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/02/26/premier-league-champions-leicester-lost-way-sense-direction/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39116832/the-psychology-of-leicester-citys-revival-after-ranieris-sacking

 

Been brought up on FT before.

Edited 28 April 2018 by MC Prussian

[Dan]

I have honestly never felt so disconnected from the team. I just don't even care when we concede anymore. I can't tell if it's a realisation that we've had our day, or if they really are just impossible to buy into.

 

I'd fvck the majority of them off. This manager isn't the answer but these players aren't either. Without significant changes, we will be relegated next season.

[Blue ROI]

3 hours ago, Rogstanley said:

If I had to guess I’d say there’s a few players who think they’re bigger than the manager. Might not necessarily be Mahrez although I wish we’d sold him and he can leave for free tonight as far as I care. For some reason I always think of Wes Morgan as a potential toxic influence although I’ve no evidence for it obviously. Vardy never gets mentioned as he usually seems to put a shift in but we know his character is a bit shifty (think casino incident).

 

Whoever the toxic faction consists of and whatever the basis of it is, it couldn’t be more obvious that it exists. You don’t go from great to crap under three consecutive managers, like clockwork, without an underlying reason, and the only constant in this is the players.

 

Maguire, Chilwell, Silva, Dragovic, N'Didi were either not at the club or hardly playing under Ranieri so they have no reason to down tools. 4 Of them have world cup hopes.

Kasper has been shocking this season but his performance in Sevilla saved Claudio and Leicester from a serious embarrasment in our biggest game in Europe. Vardy has been our only bright spot of late from the title winning side. Albrighton though limited always leaves everything on the pitch. Someone like Okazaki toxic? Not having that.

 

There's no doubt that Morgan and Simpson playing the last while was a bit much but it's lazy journalism to hint at player power all the time. Mahrez has become unmanageable almost but that's no different from any want away player. Chilwell has flaws to his game but I'm not convinced its down to lack of effort. Whatever about older players we have several younger players who would be severely damaging their future prospects with questionable efforts.

[Ian Nacho]

Only players that showed some remorse at full time were Morgan who put his arms out to the fans (in apology) and Dragovic who put his hands up towards the fans. 

[Dan]

5 hours ago, Tuna said:

Did our players give up on the managers? Do we have a toxic element in the dressing room? Do we have players who think they are bigger than the club?

 

Or is all it just a convenient narrative invented by Journalists who were unhappy that our owners ruined the fairy-tale by sacking Claudio? 

I used to think this, but if it keeps happening then the common denominator is pretty obvious.

 

What is quite clear is that something significant has to change, but I fully expect Rudkin holds on, most of the players hold on and we end up with a firefighter by January because we've fvcked our next appointment up as well.

 

I think we'll go down next season. I genuinely do.

[Foxes1]

3 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

Only players that showed some remorse at full time were Morgan who put his arms out to the fans (in apology) and Dragovic who put his hands up towards the fans. 

Meanwhile Mahrez walked straight off down the tunnel.

 

[Nick]

I don’t think they have downed tools as such ~ Vardy ran himself into the ground for the full 90 and got four passes to him all game. Doesn’t matter what you are earning, your head would be walking off the pitch thinking how the **** can I get in an England side when nobody passes me the ball and why stay at this club whilst the manager is playing this putrid style of football? We’ve won 4 games in the last 18 and we have the players to have done much better but they are all being played as round pegs in square holes.

[Fox92]

8 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

I have honestly never felt so disconnected from the team. I just don't even care when we concede anymore. I can't tell if it's a realisation that we've had our day, or if they really are just impossible to buy into.

 

I'd fvck the majority of them off. This manager isn't the answer but these players aren't either. Without significant changes, we will be relegated next season.

I agree with all this. 

 

I think with how the club is set up we'll go down. Not only can you not continue getting away with sacking managers (see how many the likes of Sunderland and WBA have been through recently) but I don't trust the owners/recruitment team to get the right manager in. The only two that have worked were Pearson and Ranieri, one of which was already known to the club and the latter was a gamble that somehow paid off.

[brucey]

8 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

Only players that showed some remorse at full time were Morgan who put his arms out to the fans (in apology) and Dragovic who put his hands up towards the fans. 

Vardy as well, shook his head a few times and looked really sad as he came towards the fans. 

[oadby.fox]

10 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

Funnily enough, we did have one in the shape of Ken Way - before he was allegedly sacked by Ranieri:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/02/26/premier-league-champions-leicester-lost-way-sense-direction/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39116832/the-psychology-of-leicester-citys-revival-after-ranieris-sacking

 

Been brought up on FT before.

Oh yeah, it's coming back to me now - get him in! ha

[Blue ROI]

10 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

Funnily enough, we did have one in the shape of Ken Way - before he was allegedly sacked by Ranieri:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/02/26/premier-league-champions-leicester-lost-way-sense-direction/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39116832/the-psychology-of-leicester-citys-revival-after-ranieris-sacking

 

Been brought up on FT before.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/ken-way-leicester-would-have-won-the-title-under-nigel-pearson-447085.html

[NeilLCFC]

I don’t think they are quitters, look at the football we were playing a few months ago. I think it’s a case of them knowing the style of football that works best for them and when they’re allowed to play it, they can beat anyone. For some reason, CR and CP both tried to change the brand of football we play, although at one point this season it seemed as though CP had got it right and we looked really good. I have no idea why he decided to change things again, maybe we were becoming too exciting for him, who knows? But I can see why this would make the players loose motivation.

 

Before the posters who have it in for the old guard start with ‘oh our attacking style was being found out’, don’t be silly. Our best performances since winning the league, have all been attcking displays. 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

14 hours ago, l444ry said:

Don't buy into that simplistic argument myself. Claudio was let down for sure, maybe Shakespeare undermined him, who knows? As for Shakespeare and Puel, they simply are/were not up to the mark. We have enough pros on the books. They ain't all quitters.

This. 

 

The Claudio thing was a truely sad affair and probably the title hangover.

 

Shakey and Puel are bad managers plain and simple.

 

The squad is made up of international footballers many of whom are playing for a World Cup place.

 

Idiotic to suggest they are putting that at risk, in order to get Puel out.

[Grebfromgrebland]

I think we need a fresh start and Puel is actually probably the man for the job.

 

He just needs to grow a massive pair and sort out this squad. Apparently he does better in his second season so let's see.

 

He has essentially given some players enough rope to hang themselves so it won't be so hard to drop or move them on. 

 

We have to give him till Christmas unless a really good manager becomes available like a Benitez or a Hiddink. 

[The_77]

Ranieri never believed the players worked toward his demise, and Puel has gotten it all wrong for months. 

 

The players aren’t the problem. 

[dylanlegend]

Did they quit on Pearson?

 

Did they quit when they won us the league? 

 

The players deserve more respect than Puel in my opinion.

 

If your manager was de-motivating in your job would he get the best out of you? 

 

I wouldnt call them quitters I would say that tactically we are set us incorrectly for the players we have.

 

I know Puel wants to change our style but when you haven't got the players to do it, well that's the manager fault

[Happy Fox]

Just now, dylanlegend said:

Did they quit on Pearson?

 

Did they quit when they won us the league? 

 

The players deserve more respect than Puel in my opinion.

 

If your manager was de-motivating in your job would he get the best out of you? 

 

I wouldnt call them quitters I would say that tactically we are set us incorrectly for the players we have.

 

I know Puel wants to change our style but when you haven't got the players to do it, well that's the manager fault

 

In any change of style there has to be intensity we have none of that at all. And there has been talk from ITK’s and The papers that intensity training is non existent so that’s a huge problem. Puel has to go, and I would argue also that the coaching set up the likes of Stowell etc have to be moved on as well, we need big changes on and off the pitch. We have to look forward. 

[The Doctor]

23 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

This. 

 

The Claudio thing was a truely sad affair and probably the title hangover.

 

Shakey and Puel are bad managers plain and simple.

 

The squad is made up of international footballers many of whom are playing for a World Cup place.

 

Idiotic to suggest they are putting that at risk, in order to get Puel out.

How many of them are actually playing for a world cup place? Take yesterday's line-up - Hamer will never get anywhere near even consideration for a call-up, albrighton gets overlooked, too soon for Chillwell, Choudhury and Gray even if they are going to be internationals. Morgan won't, Jamaica aren't in it, likewise Mahrez and algeria. Even the subs - Austria (Dragovic) and Mali (Diabate) haven't qualified. Silvas prospects are pretty much dead because of the transfer farce. That leaves Vardy, Maguire, Ndidi and Iheanacho interested, all of whom are pretty safely on the plane as is.

Edited 29 April 2018 by The Doctor

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, dylanlegend said:

Did they quit on Pearson?

 

Did they quit when they won us the league? 

 

The players deserve more respect than Puel in my opinion.

 

If your manager was de-motivating in your job would he get the best out of you? 

 

I wouldnt call them quitters I would say that tactically we are set us incorrectly for the players we have.

 

I know Puel wants to change our style but when you haven't got the players to do it, well that's the manager fault

Pearson was on top of them, so to speak. No nonsense. Any trouble and you've gone. And rightly so. 

 

The players were still calling Shakespeare "Shakey" when he was the manager ffs.

 

Regardless of who the manager is or where we are in the league table, the players need to show desire and they don't. It is similar to the back end of Ranieri's reign when the players didn't look bothered. 

 

Personally, for me, it's time the team was broken up and certain players moved on. 

[NeilLCFC]

4 minutes ago, dylanlegend said:

Did they quit on Pearson?

 

Did they quit when they won us the league? 

 

The players deserve more respect than Puel in my opinion.

 

If your manager was de-motivating in your job would he get the best out of you? 

 

I wouldnt call them quitters I would say that tactically we are set us incorrectly for the players we have.

 

I know Puel wants to change our style but when you haven't got the players to do it, well that's the manager fault

Amen ?

[oldbluefox]

17 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

I think we need a fresh start and Puel is actually probably the man for the job.

 

He just needs to grow a massive pair and sort out this squad. Apparently he does better in his second season so let's see.

 

He has essentially given some players enough rope to hang themselves so it won't be so hard to drop or move them on. 

 

We have to give him till Christmas unless a really good manager becomes available like a Benitez or a Hiddink. 

I tend to agree. Ferguson took a while at Manu before he got them sorted out and was facing the sack. The rest is history. There's a lot of dead wood at City which needs clearing out. I wouldn't call them quitters but there's a lack of passion, determination and desire from a good many of them.

Obviously Benitez would be a good (but unlikely) choice otherwise persevere with Puel until Christmas.

Edited 29 April 2018 by oldbluefox

[davieG]

2 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

How many of them are actually playing for a world cup place? Take yesterday's line-up - Hamer will never get anywhere near even consideration for a call-up, albrighton gets overlooked, too soon for Chillwell, Choudhury and Gray even if they are going to be internationals. Morgan won't, Jamaica aren't in it, likewise Mahrez and algeria. Even the subs - Austria (Dragovic) and Mali (Diabate) haven't qualified. Silvas prospects are pretty much dead because of the transfer farce. That leaves Vardy, Maguire, Ndidi and Iheanacho interested, all of whom are pretty safely on the plane as is.

Well Maguire did himself no favours yesterday he was woeful and gave the ball away 4 or 5 times in the 1st half without any pressure on him with Southgate watching.

CP wanted the win the Leicester players didn't.

[oldbluefox]

1 minute ago, davieG said:

Well Maguire did himself no favours yesterday he was woeful and gave the ball away 4 or 5 times in the 1st half without any pressure on him with Southgate watching.

CP wanted the win the Leicester players didn't.

Substitute 'Any other team' for 'CP' and that's what we have witnessed over the past few weeks. Total lack of desire with the exception of a few.

[Happy Fox]

1 minute ago, davieG said:

Well Maguire did himself no favours yesterday he was woeful and gave the ball away 4 or 5 times in the 1st half without any pressure on him with Southgate watching.

CP wanted the win the Leicester players didn't.

 

If Puel wanted the win why select a young kid in central midfield Hamza ahead of Silva and Morgan to start ahead of Dragovic who played well the last game and was dropped.

 

 

[davieG]

2 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

 

If Puel wanted the win why select a young kid in central midfield Hamza ahead of Silva and Morgan to start ahead of Dragovic who played well the last game and was dropped.

 

 

You can argue the selection all day long but that doesn't excuse abject performances by seasoned, well paid professionals. We didn't lose that game because of Hamza, who was ok and at least up for the game or Morgan when his partner in defence Maguire as I said was woeful.

 

Puel may well be complicit with his selection and tactics but that wasn't why we lost FIVE nil. That was due to a lack of effort and the inability to perform the very basics  of being a professional footballer.