Stefano Sturaro

[CyprusFox]

1 hour ago, STUHILL said:

Think that's why we are going on Juve's opinions of him and they aren't good! 

 

I'd guess he is slightly better than they are suggesting though and wouldn't begrudge this signing like some are

Not sure about that looking at his "highlights" on YouTube. Highlights of most players usually make them look better than they actually are. This guy looks very average at best, on the highlights I've watched. If these are his best bits, it's a BIG no from me.

Edited 14 June 2018 by CyprusFox
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[dormelcfc]

I really do not understand the criticism of Iborra and his price tag. It’s not like he decided what we paid for him. Also, the argument that there is no sell-on is kind of irrelevant now. That’s not the way that football works anymore, especially if we’re looking to Europe. Even so, if it was that way, there is no harm in buying players who are older and less of a sell-on value every once in a while. That will get off-set by other sales.

 

I think Iborra brings a lot to the team. His calmness on the ball, his eye for a pass, his physical presence an eye for a goal are all excellent features of his and could be important to the way that Puel wants the team to play. I personally liked him more than Silva last season and really hope he stays.

 

I can’t see that Sturaro would offer anything more than him should he sign.

Edited 14 June 2018 by dormelcfc

[STUHILL]

2 minutes ago, dormelcfc said:

I really do not understand the criticism of Iborra and his price tag. It’s not like he decided what we paid for him. Also, the argument that there is no sell-on is kind of irrelevant now. That’s not the way that football works anymore, especially if we’re looking to Europe. Even so, if it was that way, there is no harm in buying players who are older and less of a sell-on value every once in a while. That will get off-set by other sales.

 

I think Iborra brings a lot to the team. His calmness on the ball, his eye for a pass, his physical presence an eye for a goal are all excellent features of his and could be important to the way that Puel wants the team to play. I personally liked him more than Silva last season and really hope he stays.

 

I can’t see that Sturaro would offer anything more than him should he sign.

 

Apart from being able to play 38+ games...

 

I'm a fan of Iborra and want him to stay, but think he would struggle playing that many games for us.

 

I see him more as our 3rd choice CM, who can cover when needed and also have an impact as a sub. 

 

I think we need someone alongside N'didi who has more stamina and energy than Iborra. 

[yorkie1999]

12 hours ago, foxpleasure said:

You do know that Juventus  do actually wear that kit because of Notts County

yes.

[st albans fox]

12 hours ago, Fox 4 Life said:

Remember the Inter fans saying similar about Mr Cambiasso

And the Roma fans about  inler ..............

[MC Prussian]

2 hours ago, dormelcfc said:

I really do not understand the criticism of Iborra and his price tag. It’s not like he decided what we paid for him. Also, the argument that there is no sell-on is kind of irrelevant now. That’s not the way that football works anymore, especially if we’re looking to Europe. Even so, if it was that way, there is no harm in buying players who are older and less of a sell-on value every once in a while. That will get off-set by other sales.

 

I think Iborra brings a lot to the team. His calmness on the ball, his eye for a pass, his physical presence an eye for a goal are all excellent features of his and could be important to the way that Puel wants the team to play. I personally liked him more than Silva last season and really hope he stays.

 

I can’t see that Sturaro would offer anything more than him should he sign.

 

Well, for a start, Sturaro is five years younger and has more potential still.

Although based on feedback from Juventus fans - proper ones, not your typical fairweather fan somewhere in the Near East or Asia -, they don't really rate him and would rather sooner than later get rid.

Iborra is arguably entering the last two, three good years of his career and he isn't getting any faster.

 

Plus, Sturaro is more of a box-to-box midfielder, whereas Iborra could be considered more the defensive-minded player, best deployed in front of a back four.

Edited 14 June 2018 by MC Prussian

[weller54]

Suzie... 

Suggest a visit to Primark to top up the panty drawer? 

[Guest Col city fan]

On 13/06/2018 at 22:51, FoxOfMelton said:

Every time I've seen him player he's looked absolute bang average. Quite an underwhelming signing if this happens, especially considering it's not really a position we need to stregthen at the moment.

Same here. I’ve no idea where the ‘superb player’ type comments are coming from.

I think he’s solid enough but wouldn’t consider him much of an upgrade on Iborra?

[Guest Col city fan]

13 hours ago, st albans fox said:

And the Roma fans about  inler ..............

Inler was utterly dire for us. His best years were well gone

[Vindaloo FOX]

don't think this will happen, just rubbish twitter chat. 

[Superpants82]

3 minutes ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

don't think this will happen, just rubbish twitter chat. 

Not when it came from Dimarzio originally, I know he's not always correct but he's not a crap source 

[murphy]

Say the word oh

Stu-stu-stu-ra-ro

 

 

or

 

 

 

Old MacDonald had a farm

Stu-ra-roo-ra-ro

 

 

It's a yes from me.

Edited 15 June 2018 by murphy

[MC Prussian]

14 hours ago, st albans fox said:

And the Roma fans about  inler ..............

[MC Prussian]

23 hours ago, Gerard said:

 

Levante's record transfer is under £3m, they won't be spending £8m+ on a 30 year old. If we sell him to Levante this summer we'll have to take a huge hit on him. 

How much Levante would be willing to spend in the summer is subject to speculation.

The most realistic scenario that I can see is that they'll take him on loan for next season, then buy him on a permanent the following campaign, which would cost them maybe £3m max, with Iborra at age 31 1/2.

 

It is clear that we'll never get that £15m back we originally spent on Iborra. Got really shafted by Sevilla there.

Makes me angry and sad at the same time to see how wasteful we can be with the money at our disposal - not that we're the only Premier League club in that position, mind.

[coolhandfox]

14 hours ago, st albans fox said:

And the Roma fans about  inler ..............

Not surprising considering he never played for them....

[STUHILL]

2 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

How much Levante would be willing to spend in the summer is subject to speculation.

The most realistic scenario that I can see is that they'll take him on loan for next season, then buy him on a permanent the following campaign, which would cost them maybe £3m max, with Iborra at age 31 1/2.

 

It is clear that we'll never get that £15m back we originally spent on Iborra. Got really shafted by Sevilla there.

Makes me angry and sad at the same time to see how wasteful we can be with the money at our disposal - not that we're the only Premier League club in that position, mind.

Where are you getting all this Levante stuff from? Have there been strong rumours that he is leaving us this summer and that is where he is going?

 

Seems like a lot of guess work going on otherwise 

[Merging Cultures]

36 minutes ago, murphy said:

Say the word oh

Stu-stu-stu-ra-ro

 

 

or

 

 

 

Old MacDonald had a farm

Stu-ra-roo-ra-ro

 

 

It's a yes from me.

 

You must be able to make something from 'Come on Eileen'

 

"I say, Stu ra roo ra, Stu ra-roo rye aye"

[MC Prussian]

15 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

Where are you getting all this Levante stuff from? Have there been strong rumours that he is leaving us this summer and that is where he is going?

 

Seems like a lot of guess work going on otherwise 

Sure, I've never said he will switch clubs, but the interest from Levante is there.

https://www.levante-emv.com/levante-ud/2018/06/04/levante-ud-quiere-recuperar-iborra/1727032.html

 

In any case, we'll record a high loss on Iborra, no matter to whom we'll sell him in the end.

[Guest Papasmurf]

28 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Not surprising considering he never played for them....

And barely got a chance for us. 

[STUHILL]

3 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

Sure, I've never said he will switch clubs, but the interest from Levante is there.

https://www.levante-emv.com/levante-ud/2018/06/04/levante-ud-quiere-recuperar-iborra/1727032.html

 

In any case, we'll record a high loss on Iborra, no matter to whom we'll sell him in the end.

Don't think that was the point of his signing tbh. He was always going to reduce in market value as he passes into his 30s. It's the value that he brings on the pitch which is most important, especially when talking about this kind of money. 

 

I actually don't see the big deal with the £15m we spent on him. Sure it was about £5-6m overpriced, but he had a decent enough first season for us, in what was a difficult time for our club, along with some injuries. I think he will stay here next season and have a positive impact as well, so may still turn out to be good value. 

 

I'm much more bothered about signings like Musa and Slimani, who have made much less impact, cost more and likely to lose us more money.

 

Even then, i'm not that fussed about the money side of things and I don't know why so many are. We aren't a club with a tight budget who have had to cut back due to mistakes we made over the last 2 season. Our owners are Billionaires and ambitious. I care more about what we see on the pitch, rather than what our Billionaire owners make or lose on a player, and especially when that player is Iborra. 

[MC Prussian]

2 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

Don't think that was the point of his signing tbh. He was always going to reduce in market value as he passes into his 30s. It's the value that he brings on the pitch which is most important, especially when talking about this kind of money. 

 

I actually don't see the big deal with the £15m we spent on him. Sure it was about £5-6m overpriced, but he had a decent enough first season for us, in what was a difficult time for our club, along with some injuries. I think he will stay here next season and have a positive impact as well, so may still turn out to be good value. 

 

I'm much more bothered about signings like Musa and Slimani, who have made much less impact, cost more and likely to lose us more money.

 

Even then, i'm not that fussed about the money side of things and I don't know why so many are. We aren't a club with a tight budget who have had to cut back due to mistakes we made over the last 2 season. Our owners are Billionaires and ambitious. I care more about what we see on the pitch, rather than what our Billionaire owners make or lose on a player, and especially when that player is Iborra. 

With that money, we could actually sign another decent player with potential from a lower league!

It's not like it's your money.

 

I know football's an unpredictable business, but our owners won't dish out fantasy prizes or paying over the odds on a regular basis. They're rich, but they're not stupid.

As long as we sign less Iborras and more Kantés, I'm fine with it. We'll probably never get to a point where we're shrewd enough to pay face value, there'll always be the case of us paying more than what the player's actually worth. It comes with being in the Premier League, I'm afraid.

 

Agree with the Slimani and Musa assessment, I've been one of those saying the same for ages (not that we're a minority).

 

But now we're getting off-topic again.

[Gerard]

12 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

Don't think that was the point of his signing tbh. He was always going to reduce in market value as he passes into his 30s. It's the value that he brings on the pitch which is most important, especially when talking about this kind of money. 

 

I actually don't see the big deal with the £15m we spent on him. Sure it was about £5-6m overpriced, but he had a decent enough first season for us, in what was a difficult time for our club, along with some injuries. I think he will stay here next season and have a positive impact as well, so may still turn out to be good value. 

 

I'm much more bothered about signings like Musa and Slimani, who have made much less impact, cost more and likely to lose us more money.

 

Even then, i'm not that fussed about the money side of things and I don't know why so many are. We aren't a club with a tight budget who have had to cut back due to mistakes we made over the last 2 season. Our owners are Billionaires and ambitious. I care more about what we see on the pitch, rather than what our Billionaire owners make or lose on a player, and especially when that player is Iborra. 

 

If I owned the club and you were the DOF I'd sack you if you said that to me. If you wanted to buy a house that you really liked but was priced up at 50% more than it was worth you wouldn't buy it. 

 

If I'm spending £15m on a near 30 year old I want him to be one of the best players in the team, "decent enough season" and signing as a squad player which he did doesn't cut it for £15m. We're not really much financially better off than the majority of clubs in this division and if we're prepared to knowingly pay over the odds we'll suffer in the long run against our competitors. We were the only club in the world that valued Iborra at £15m and if we want to sell him a year later we're going to have to take a £10m hit on him Business like that will get us relegated sooner rather than later.

[STUHILL]

1 minute ago, MC Prussian said:

With that money, we could actually sign another decent player with potential from a lower league!

It's not like it's your money.

 

I know football's an unpredictable business, but our owners won't dish out fantasy prizes or paying over the odds on a regular basis. They're rich, but they're not stupid.

As long as we sign less Iborras and more Kantés, I'm fine with it. We'll probably never get to a point where we're shrewd enough to pay face value, there'll always be the case of us paying more than what the player's actually worth. It comes with being in the Premier League, I'm afraid.

 

Agree with the Slimani and Musa assessment, I've been one of those saying the same for ages (not that we're a minority).

 

But now we're getting off-topic again.

My main point is - Yes we will have wins (Kante, Mahrez, Drinkwater) in making huge profits but also make losses too (Slimani, Musa etc) BUT I don't see all this fuss about Iborra in particular. He has been a decent signing and hopefully more to come from him next season. Overpriced? Yes, but certainly not the worse deal we've ever done, not even close. It just surprised me why people were referring to it as the 'terrible business' and being "mugged". Iborra has added value on the pitch and should continue that next season and hopefully increase his goal tally (3 in 19) so far in the league. 

 

But yes, back on topic. I hope we are looking at another CM, whether Sturaro or not - I just think we need someone stronger than Silva in a DCM and with more stamina than Iborra, so can play 38+ games. Also, if we lose N'didi to an injury, then we would seriously struggle to match his energy and tenacity in there.  

 

I'm sure King, James and maybe even Mendy could do an OK job filling in, but we need to get past these squad filler type players and really aim to have players on the bench who are genuinely pushing the starters and a big step up on the likes of King and co. 

[mozartfox]

2 hours ago, weller54 said:

Suzie... 

Suggest a visit to Primark to top up the panty drawer? 

Victoria's Secret or Ann Summers more like.......

[SheppyFox]

3 hours ago, weller54 said:

Suzie... 

Suggest a visit to Primark to top up the panty drawer? 

Looks like Colin Farrell a bit