NotTheMarketLeader Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, OhYesNdidi said: Most posters said we’d beat wolves. We perform better away from home under puel on the whole and we’ve only played 2 games this season, not sure where the 6 months comes from? We could be starting with 5 new players from last season. Name games in the last six months where we have played well and won. Let’s make it since February if you like; there’s not many, yet most seem to think all we have to do is turn up. The point I’m making is that at this stage the ‘positivity’ of the fan base is based on hope rather than a raft of good performances that have put points on the board. Time will tell Edited 23 August 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader 1 1
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 1 minute ago, Beechey said: Some of our best performances last season were away? Take out the Palace result (who seem to enjoy battering us) and our away form last season was very good. Even with that result, our away form was 7th in the league. Right.
Beechey Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 7 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Name games in the last six months where we have played well and won. Let’s make it since February if you like; there’s not many, yet most seem to think all we have to do is turn up. The point I’m making is that at this stage the ‘positivity’ of the fan base is based on hope rather than a raft of good performances that have put points on the board. Time will tell Noticed you keep choosing the month where form dipped. Weird, that. 1
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 1 minute ago, Beechey said: Noticed you keep choosing the month where form dipped. Weird, that. Um. So what should we use to best judge performance; a year ago, or more recent results? Take it from March then; good performances where we have won games; I’ll give you one for starters; 85 minutes against 10 man Arsenal ?
HighPeakFox Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 I put it to you that what happened last season is, for the most part, now largely irrelevant. 4 1
Gerard Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 4 hours ago, Babylon said: God we're really crying out for a top quality winger aren't we. Every season we never seem to fix some of the most glaring problems. It's only the most glaring problem now. At the end of last season you would have put a RB, CB and No10 as the most needed position to sort out. Although you would like to think next season a top quality winger type will be first on Puel's shopping list now our defence seems to be sorted out. 3
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: I put it to you that what happened last season is, for the most part, now largely irrelevant. Yes you may be right inasmuch as the signings made do look decent. If he can’t a decent tune out of this lot then the manager will be as poor as I thought he was Edited 23 August 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader 1
HighPeakFox Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 Just now, NotTheMarketLeader said: Yes you may be right inasmuch as the signings made do look decent. If he can’t a decent tume out of this lot then the manager will be as poor as I thought he was. Time will tell, but the signs are positive. 1
Beechey Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 13 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Um. So what should we use to best judge performance; a year ago, or more recent results? Take it from March then; good performances where we have won games; I’ll give you one for starters; 85 minutes against 10 man Arsenal ? A full season, because football is played in full seasons.
OhYesNdidi Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 21 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Name games in the last six months where we have played well and won. Let’s make it since February if you like; there’s not many, yet most seem to think all we have to do is turn up. The point I’m making is that at this stage the ‘positivity’ of the fan base is based on hope rather than a raft of good performances that have put points on the board. Time will tell Bar Crystal Palace, Everton & Man City (maybe West Ham) we’ve performed very well away from home under puel. Stoke - Had plenty of chances to win. Chelsea - Should have won. Burnley - Should have scored 3 or 4 that day, one awful mistake by Wes. Watford - Very unlucky to lose that day, 2 mistakes by Kasper. Tottenham - Scored 4 really good goals, I remember 2 mistakes that game from Simpson and choudury. ++ scoring 4 at West Brom and Southampton, one of only 3 sides I think to take points from Brighton. Compare our away form and performances under puel to those under previous managers, that’s where the confidcence is coming from. 1
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 37 minutes ago, Beechey said: A full season, because football is played in full seasons. He will had a full season effectively in a few weeks time! 1
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 38 minutes ago, OhYesNdidi said: Bar Crystal Palace, Everton & Man City (maybe West Ham) we’ve performed very well away from home under puel. Stoke - Had plenty of chances to win. Chelsea - Should have won. Burnley - Should have scored 3 or 4 that day, one awful mistake by Wes. Watford - Very unlucky to lose that day, 2 mistakes by Kasper. Tottenham - Scored 4 really good goals, I remember 2 mistakes that game from Simpson and choudury. ++ scoring 4 at West Brom and Southampton, one of only 3 sides I think to take points from Brighton. Compare our away form and performances under puel to those under previous managers, that’s where the confidcence is coming from. A list that has nothing to do with what I asked you to come up with; which was GAMES WHERE WE HAVE PLAYED WELL AND WON SINCE FEBRUARY ?. A whole bunch of coulda woulda shoulda - my point made in essence. Possession up, ability to win when playing well in games...almost non existent. I must say though to win 2-0 with only 2 shots on target, as against Wolves is an achievement; although I’m unconvinced based on 40 years of watching football that it’s a template for success.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 48 minutes ago, OhYesNdidi said: Bar Crystal Palace, Everton & Man City (maybe West Ham) we’ve performed very well away from home under puel. Stoke - Had plenty of chances to win. Chelsea - Should have won. Burnley - Should have scored 3 or 4 that day, one awful mistake by Wes. Watford - Very unlucky to lose that day, 2 mistakes by Kasper. Tottenham - Scored 4 really good goals, I remember 2 mistakes that game from Simpson and choudury. ++ scoring 4 at West Brom and Southampton, one of only 3 sides I think to take points from Brighton. Compare our away form and performances under puel to those under previous managers, that’s where the confidcence is coming from. I believe one of our previous managers, Ranieri had a pretty good away record in his first season? West Brom and Southampton where we did win were in reIegation form, and will add our win at Brighton was totally undeserved, but I can’t count that otherwise I will be as bad as you with my ‘should haves’
OhYesNdidi Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 37 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: I believe one of our previous managers, Ranieri had a pretty good away record in his first season? West Brom and Southampton where we did win were in reIegation form, and will add our win at Brighton was totally undeserved, but I can’t count that otherwise I will be as bad as you with my ‘should haves’ Ranieri didn’t win a single away game is his second season (the more recent season) without N’Golo
Gazza M Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 If we play well I believe we will have too much for them. They have taken a massive gamble in Austin and Ings as their main two. The treatment table could be busy!
murphy Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 2 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Name games in the last six months where we have played well and won. Let’s make it since February if you like; there’s not many, yet most seem to think all we have to do is turn up. The point I’m making is that at this stage the ‘positivity’ of the fan base is based on hope rather than a raft of good performances that have put points on the board. Time will tell I think that optimism can be based on, well, hope, as you say, but also I think that Puel's tactics are beginning to take shape with the players, some really good new signings, most notably Maddison and Perreira, but I think most of all and most pleasing for me, it is the early form of Gray and Chillwell who already look like different players from last year. The future's bright. The future's blue.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, OhYesNdidi said: Ranieri didn’t win a single away game is his second season (the more recent season) without N’Golo Your point being? This is like being back in the playground; YOU said we had to compare Puel’s away record with previous managers; which I did. Nothing was said about Kante ffs. Edited 23 August 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader
Ian S Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 2 hours ago, Beechey said: Noticed you keep choosing the month where form dipped. Weird, that. 2 hours ago, Beechey said: Noticed you keep choosing the month where form dipped. Weird, that. Hard to specify a month when it exactly dipped,we were equally awful month on month.
Ian S Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 2 hours ago, OhYesNdidi said: Bar Crystal Palace, Everton & Man City (maybe West Ham) we’ve performed very well away from home under puel. Stoke - Had plenty of chances to win. Chelsea - Should have won. Burnley - Should have scored 3 or 4 that day, one awful mistake by Wes. Watford - Very unlucky to lose that day, 2 mistakes by Kasper. Tottenham - Scored 4 really good goals, I remember 2 mistakes that game from Simpson and choudury. ++ scoring 4 at West Brom and Southampton, one of only 3 sides I think to take points from Brighton. Compare our away form and performances under puel to those under previous managers, that’s where the confidcence is coming from. You can't have been at Watford ,We were bloody awful,2nd half as bad as anything last season and there is a lot to pick from.
Ian S Posted 23 August 2018 Posted 23 August 2018 2 hours ago, HighPeakFox said: Time will tell, but the signs are positive. Yep, a defeat to a terrible Man Utd who actually managed to make Brighton world beaters a week later followed by a fortuitous win against Wolves and anyone who says different is deluding themselves.Lets all see where we are 10 games in before getting carried away by a win against a newly promoted team. 1
Koke Posted 23 August 2018 Author Posted 23 August 2018 3 hours ago, OhYesNdidi said: Bar Crystal Palace, Everton & Man City (maybe West Ham) we’ve performed very well away from home under puel. Stoke - Had plenty of chances to win. Chelsea - Should have won. Burnley - Should have scored 3 or 4 that day, one awful mistake by Wes. Watford - Very unlucky to lose that day, 2 mistakes by Kasper. Tottenham - Scored 4 really good goals, I remember 2 mistakes that game from Simpson and choudury. ++ scoring 4 at West Brom and Southampton, one of only 3 sides I think to take points from Brighton. Compare our away form and performances under puel to those under previous managers, that’s where the confidcence is coming from. On top of that Newcastle - the 3-2 scoreline flattered Newcastle Southampton - battered them into oblivion Don't waste your breath mate.
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