Max Wall Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 4 minutes ago, RumbleFox said: Definitely. I don't even know what it is but he makes me want to punch him. The state of Scottish football is pretty dire but as least he would be getting more used to the UK and, as you say, Celtic are a huge club and as an experience it would be good for him. Rodgers also plays out from the back and likes possession football so hopefully it would be a good fit in that sense too. X Me too. I used to feel the same about David O'Leary, haven't got a clue why. Two, softly spoken Irishmen, relatively inoffensive. I'd risk being called a racist if half of my family tree didn't hail from the Emerald Isle. Maybe it's the softly spoken thing I have an issue with. Mind you, I can't stand Allardyce and he can hardly be accused of that. Back on topic, yes, Rodgers football would also be a good fit as you say. I don't see a downside really if the other four are currently ahead of him in the pecking order. 1
RumbleFox Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 1 minute ago, Max Wall said: Me too. I used to feel the same about David O'Leary, haven't got a clue why. Two, softly spoken Irishmen, relatively inoffensive. I'd risk being called a racist if half of my family tree didn't hail from the Emerald Isle. Maybe it's the softly spoken thing I have an issue with. Mind you, I can't stand Allardyce and he can hardly be accused of that. Back on topic, yes, Rodgers football would also be a good fit as you say. I don't see a downside really if the other four are currently ahead of him in the pecking order. It's funny who you hate for no reason eh? I am generally a very reasonable person but some people just push the right buttons. Top of my "irrational hate" list is probably Mick Hucknall but then, on further inspection, it is probably not irrational when you listen to his music. Ideally a move to the Championship would probably be best but playing for a club the size of Celtic cannot really be bad for any young footballer. 1
Max Wall Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 5 minutes ago, Lesta Legend said: It is odd and lazy to simply refer to him as Turk, its difficult to pronounce, not to spell his name However to say it's highly offensive is ridiculous, can people stop with this PC nonsense for fear to offend. I'm a second generation immigrant and I'm immensely proud of my heritage and unique last name. But i am proud to live in a country that offers the freedoms to speak your mind without fear of persecution - the PC culture here goes too far sometimes - call raciscm and hate speech out when it happens, but this highly offensive. Jesus wept. Oh and Benkovic, i can understand one for the future but I'm not sure he came from a champions league club to be loaned out. That's a fair enough point. You'd want the player himself to be ok with it rather than forced to do it. If it were to be a serious option it would depend on how it was sold to the player. We don't know what he's been told. Has it been said that it's likely he'd become a regular next season possibly but not this? If so, I imagine he'd be happy playing somewhere else. 13 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: Sounds like a good idea. Puel alluded that the deal was opportunistic in that when they found out that Dinamo Zagreb were willing to sell, they went for it because they thought he was a good player and well worth the money even if he's not going to go seamlessly into the first team. That league doesn't have the best quality, but the physical nature is similar to the Premier League and Championship, and hey Virgil Van Dijk played for Celtic and he didn't turn out too badly when he moved to Southampton. Very much so. Whilst Scottish clubs sometimes take a pasting in Europe, it's very rare an English club hands them one, even with the massive disparity in earnings for clubs in Scotland. Just can't see anything but positives if (a big if) he isn't seen as playing with our first team this season.
WigstonWanderer Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 2 hours ago, Max Wall said: Brit was an contentious example from the poster. Let me try one. Why is calling a Turkish man a Turk any different than calling an Australian an Aussie though? Seemed a very strange thing to call highly offensive. If he'd said it's offensive that people don't know his name yet, I could have understood it more even though I still probably don't agree. Edit - If the term Turk has suddenly become an offensive word and I'm just unaware of that fact, I apologise in advance to anyone offended by my response to these posts. I apologise for even thinking that your previous posts might be reasonable
Max Wall Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said: I apologise for even thinking that your previous posts might be reasonable No apology required. Most people agree with you. Edited 27 August 2018 by Max Wall 1
Scotch Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 3 hours ago, mozartfox said: SLB. Ludricous. Pay all this money for him only to play on the Scottish Pub League? Someone is having a laugh with Leicester City. He will learn nothing playing at that standard. Keep him here and he can fight for his place. I disagree. For a relatively young player to play at such a big club with so much attention, pressure and expectation on him and every other player in the team, would be a massive learning curve. I'm not a Celtic fan, far from it but I AM Scottish so I know first hand the scrutiny that goes on a old firm players. Everything they do is under the spotlight, on and off the field. They are expected to not only win every match but play well every match and continuous mistakes are not accepted. He may not improve too much ability wise from playing in Scotland but he'd DEFINATELY improve in terms of character and as a footballer. Celtic would turn him into someone who expects to win.
Brainy Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 Think this thread needs moving to general chat and renaming
CosbehFox Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 If he loan him off Celtic, he might aswell been loaned back Zagreb. Stronger league and a good chance of Champions League football 3
Max Wall Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 Just now, Cardiff_Fox said: If he loan him off Celtic, he might aswell been loaned back Zagreb. Stronger league and a good chance of Champions League football He's already played at Zagreb. Surely, if he was going to go on loan it's with a view to helping him get used to a more British style of play. He'd learn more at Celtic now wouldn't he? Zagreb's average league crowd last season was 4,000, Celtic's was probably 60,000. There's a lot more pressure playing in front of that number. Champions league football is a point but how long will Zagreb last in the Champions league? I just can't see how loaning him back to Zagreb would be more beneficial.
mozartfox Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 Well hopefully this is all just a case of Celtic trying to take our trousers down and they are told to go do one. Let’s see him play first for LCFC. Benny can go instead.
mozartfox Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 BTW. Rogers was looking to sign him In January 2017 but the fee hinted at then was way out of Celtic’s league. So now they try to get him for a free, other than paying his wages which we will end up subsidizing no doubt. Good business for them and very charitable on the part of the Owners of LCFC, if this is serious.
Heymister2015 Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 If only we were richer than celtic when they came calling for O'neil !! 1
Max Wall Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 16 minutes ago, mozartfox said: BTW. Rogers was looking to sign him In January 2017 but the fee hinted at then was way out of Celtic’s league. So now they try to get him for a free, other than paying his wages which we will end up subsidizing no doubt. Good business for them and very charitable on the part of the Owners of LCFC, if this is serious. I totally understand your point of view. I'm not hell bent on him being loaned out. I just think it wouldn't be the worst idea IF they don't see him playing in the short term. I'm also not campaigning for Celtic but can understand why they might appeal to our owners as an option for the reasons I've listed previously. However, surely the owners would only do it if it had been discussed and decided that it was in the best interests of our club and the player? It may well be good business for Celtic if it happened but I'm not sure why we'd be interested in doing them a favour. They'll only do it if they think it benefits us too, surely? Whether each of us, as individuals, believes it would benefit our club is a different matter. 1
Gerard Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 26 minutes ago, mozartfox said: BTW. Rogers was looking to sign him In January 2017 but the fee hinted at then was way out of Celtic’s league. So now they try to get him for a free, other than paying his wages which we will end up subsidizing no doubt. Good business for them and very charitable on the part of the Owners of LCFC, if this is serious. Well if we keep him here we can come back to this thread at the end of the season and see how many minutes he played and judge retrospectively what was the best decision. He'll definitely be behind Maguire, Evans and Soyuncu and probably be competing with Morgan for 4th choice CB. We have another year of Morgan before his contract runs out, we may as well use him productively as 4th choice and allow Benkovic to continue his development. I'm sure we would get a loan fee and have his wages covered, £12m players usually command a loan. If he stays here it will probably be like the second half of last season for Harvey Barnes. He came back here to not play when we would have been far better off letting him get another half a season under his belt.
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 Absolutely despise Celtic more than Spurs, but if it helps with character building- maybe not a bad idea
1972 Fox Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 39 minutes ago, Gerard said: Well if we keep him here we can come back to this thread at the end of the season and see how many minutes he played and judge retrospectively what was the best decision. He'll definitely be behind Maguire, Evans and Soyuncu and probably be competing with Morgan for 4th choice CB. We have another year of Morgan before his contract runs out, we may as well use him productively as 4th choice and allow Benkovic to continue his development. I'm sure we would get a loan fee and have his wages covered, £12m players usually command a loan. If he stays here it will probably be like the second half of last season for Harvey Barnes. He came back here to not play when we would have been far better off letting him get another half a season under his belt. Morgan is probably still 2nd choice CB in Puel's thinking.
Matt Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 17 minutes ago, Blue Fox 72 said: Morgan is probably still 2nd choice CB in Puel's thinking. 1
AKCJ Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 9 hours ago, Bayfox said: If he's currently 4th in the pecking order for a start here and was brought for the future then it makes sense to get him some football. Maybe a loan until Jan makes sense as a starting point. I'd say he's 5th behind Wes, Evans, Soyuncu and Maguire
Bayfox Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 41 minutes ago, AKCJ said: I'd say he's 5th behind Wes, Evans, Soyuncu and Maguire Yep sorry I meant 5th. Senior moment 1
Jimmy Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 1 hour ago, Matt said: he was dropped literally a game ago, Evans didn't perform great, I really don't think Puel intends to play Wes much this season, Evans or Soyuncu will replace him
Matt Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Jimmy said: he was dropped literally a game ago, Evans didn't perform great, I really don't think Puel intends to play Wes much this season, Evans or Soyuncu will replace him I'll address it again. So Evans gets 1 chance, doesn't perform great, dropped. Morgan doesn't perform great, consistently, last season, when there were other options and he didn't get dropped, even now this season walks straight back in when the alternative only had 1 chance. Edited 27 August 2018 by Matt 1
Ian Nacho Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 Probably starting tomorrow with him not being in the U23's tonight.
Alf Bentley Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 If he does go up to Glasgow, I just hope he doesn't get involved in any sex scandals. Bound to be headlined "Bonkovic" by The Sun if he does. We don't need that sort of bad publicity.
volpeazzurro Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 He'll just get kicked to death by that bunch of cloggers up there! Better to stay here and learn our new system of football. He'd also have to learn another language. 1
Bayfox Posted 27 August 2018 Posted 27 August 2018 1 hour ago, Alf Bentley said: If he does go up to Glasgow, I just hope he doesn't get involved in any sex scandals. Bound to be headlined "Bonkovic" by The Sun if he does. We don't need that sort of bad publicity. Wtf Sex scandals win us titles.
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