theessexfox Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 So frustrating watching her not answer a single question directly. Also having watched a minister on Marr yesterday categorically say there will be a vote and there will be no further negotiations, there is just zero credibility.
Guest MattP Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 6 minutes ago, Foxxed said: When your 'opponent' knows that you only have 2 trillion, that they have 16 trillion, that you need them for 40% of your wealth, that they need you for significantly less, Sorry but that is just complete nonsense.
Foxxed Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said: EU exports are between 12-15% of the economy, not even close to 40%. Try to get some facts right. Even more than I said. 44% of all exports. https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851 53% of imports too. Please try to look yourself.
Jon the Hat Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 1 minute ago, Foxxed said: Even more than I said. 44% of all exports. https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851 53% of imports too. Please try to look yourself. Of EXPORTS. Not wealth.
Guest MattP Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 2 minutes ago, Foxxed said: Even more than I said. 44% of all exports. https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851 53% of imports too. Please try to look yourself. Exports doesn't equal wealth!
Foxxed Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 3 minutes ago, davieG said: Because we never showed in any way that we were serious about a no deal and they could see that as well. Probs because it's madness. We'd need a mad person to suggest that. And with 45% of our exports and 53% of our imports at stake they'd want us to try it too.
Foxxed Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said: Of EXPORTS. Not wealth. Selling stuff. Not wealth.
Jon the Hat Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 Just now, Foxxed said: Selling stuff. Not wealth. Not even that, selling some stuff that you sell overseas. And again, your numbers are nonsense. We buy more in absolute $ from EU countries than they do from us. Third biggest economy in the EU. You would do well to realise the EU also know they are going to be ****ed in the next few years without our money.
Foxxed Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 3 minutes ago, MattP said: Exports doesn't equal wealth! Companies selling things generally helps them earn money. When they don't earn that money it may hurt. It may not be a good idea.
Alf Bentley Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 She made a point of stating that the agreed deal comprises 2 parts (withdrawal agreement & declaration on future relations). I presume she intends to go to Brussels to get them to make a few changes to the (non-binding, political, not legal) declaration on future relations. Cannot imagine that shifting many votes her way.
lifted*fox Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 she's getting embarrassed now. everyone standing up asking for the vote / people's vote and she's just repeating the same lines. this vote needs to happen tomorrow and her deal will get voted down and she should resign. i find it alarming how she has completely ignored scotland and ireland in these negotiations - incredible.
Guest MattP Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 6 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: She made a point of stating that the agreed deal comprises 2 parts (withdrawal agreement & declaration on future relations). I presume she intends to go to Brussels to get them to make a few changes to the (non-binding, political, not legal) declaration on future relations. Cannot imagine that shifting many votes her way. Certainly nowhere near the number she would need to win the vote. Some serious nonsense being spoken in the house today, one MP now has just stood up and claimed she's being held hostage by the ERG - if that's case what the fcuk happened to the deal. Frightens me that we have elected MP's that seem to know almost absolutely nothing about politics.
lifted*fox Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 come on ffs someone needs to absolutely break her she's rocking
Jon the Hat Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!
Alf Bentley Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 Blatantly refused to answer Justine Greening's simple question: when will the postponed vote take place? Contemptuous and contemptible.
Captain... Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said: Sorry who said we are changing tariffs? We can unilaterally not apply any tarries on imports from the EU and maintain all other tariffs as they are for as long as we choose. This is the thing about managing your own trade policy - you get to set your own rules. All of the models assume we do bloody insane things, rather than the blindingly obvious simple and most practical routes, which is to leave the EU and maintain unilaterally all zero and existing rate tariffs as they are. We can also while we are at it continue to honur existing payment schedules to farmers so they are not out of pocket. Etc. Really not that difficult. Then after things settle down, we can build some capability, and lo if they EU has decided to impose tariffs on imports for the UK, we could for example add them at a time of our choosing to say Cars. Good hey? Meanwhile, unlike Theresa's deal we can actually make trade deals with the rest of the world - which unlike now - will only have to suit us, not 27 other states with varying industrial and political interests. So this was in part my understanding of "falling back on WTO rules" you are right it doesn't mean we will automatically impose import tariffs but it is certainly not as simple as you make out and it really is at the whim of the EU and other trading countries if import tariffs are imposed on our goods or not. There is every chance we get into a tit for tat trade war with someone. This is part of the problem though, a No deal is a fall back option but there is still no clear idea of what a no deal means and what impact it will have.
Super_horns Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 3 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Blatantly refused to answer Justine Greening's simple question: when will the postponed vote take place? Contemptuous and contemptible. Maybe it never will - she knows this deal isn't going to get accepted so basically dead women walking in her job?
lifted*fox Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 haha she's ****ed she totally didn't answer that question about the house voting to delay the deal she literally shut-down and reeled off 3 pre-rehearsed sentences that didn't mean anything in the wrong order wow
lifted*fox Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 jo johnson, what a ****ing hero haha i looked back on his voting history and he ain't no angel but he's really stepped up in the last couple of months regarding People's Vote. how can he be so reasonable when his brother is such a ****ing buffoon?
lifted*fox Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 carrying on here if sky news / bbc news have cut away for anyone else
Guest MattP Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 8 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said: Blatantly refused to answer Justine Greening's simple question: when will the postponed vote take place? Contemptuous and contemptible. She doesn't even know does she? Honestly wouldn't surprise me if she tried to call the vote on Christmas Day at this point in time.
Alf Bentley Posted 10 December 2018 Posted 10 December 2018 1 minute ago, Super_horns said: Maybe it never will - she knows this deal isn't going to get accepted so basically dead women walking in her job? Maybe she will lose her job. But she has to assume responsibility until that happens. She's under a parliamentary obligation to provide a meaningful vote, which she's just postponed without (so far) giving any indication of when that vote will happen. I can understand if there's no precise date as she cannot predict how long any further discussions with the EU will take. But Greening asked for an assurance that it would happen in "days, not weeks". She simply did not respond to that, which is a contemptuous attitude towards our democratically-elected parliament.
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