Not scoring more than 2 goals in a match - The pattern of Puel

[StriderHiryu]

39 minutes ago, Collymore said:

Puel has been here long enough now to look at some stats. One that caught my eye was total goals scored in a game... 

 

We last scored more than 2 in a Premier League match on the 22nd September 2018 V Huddersfield (only one this season) before that, 9th May V Arsenal at the end of last season. 

 

This is a bit of a half glass empty topic so far as we have stopped the flow at the other end too

 

I do a miss hammering a team by 3 or more though...  

Better get used to it pal because Puel is infamous in France for being "Mr. 2-0." Even in his title winning season with Monaco the team didn't score more than 2 goals too many times:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999–2000_AS_Monaco_FC_season

 

BUT the thing is that this is purely a preference in style of play. Whilst they didn't score too many past 2, it's because Puel prefers to control the game and know the match is wrapped up. Something my friends in France told me when we appointed Puel is that he is a very good coach but that he's the type that if you are 2-0 up will put on another CDM, not look to smash the opposition (though of course sometimes this still happens due to counter attacking, or being completely on top of a game). I'd actually argue that for a team like Leicester who don't have the players anyway to score bags of goals that having great match management skills and being able to hold onto a lead is a very useful skill to have. We've only lost one game this season in a match we went ahead in, and that was the game against Arsenal at the Emirates. Recently against Man City, Chelsea and Everton I felt that once we were ahead the opposition never looked like scoring, the Marcus Alonso chance aside. I feel that unlike other teams e.g. Bournemouth and Everton we have a better chance in the cups. Yes we lost to Man City (again) and Chelsea last year, but we could easily have won both those games. We were in it till the end in both because we are not a gung ho side.

 

Of course I'd love to see us put the number of goals past the opposition that Spurs have been doing recently, but at the same time out of us and Spurs, one team has won the Premier League and one team has not. They outscored us that season, but keeping five clean sheets in a row during the run in is what cemented the title.

 

To be honest in my lifetime I can only really remember one Leicester team that was truly capable of smashing goals in for fun and that was in 13/14 when we were promoted. And even then, we scored 3 most of the time, and I think we only got more than 4 against Bolton and Derby, or at least that's from the games that I remember going to. That was one of the best teams we've ever had, but it was Championship level. When we won the league we scored in pretty much every game, but didn't smash teams. But we did enjoy one of the best days in all of our lives!

 

 

[Ric Flair]

7 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said:

Annoying that @Collymoremakes a decent thread amd its just greeted by 'another Puel out thread'.

 

Are we not allowed to discuss the merits of the current team without people thinking theres an agenda? 

 

For me, we're not good enough to have a good defence and a great attack, as long as we're winning games i'd rather that than playing well and losing, and if this style works then go for it.

That's where I'm at, I think its admirable hes finally sorted the defence as it's not been an easy task. We still possess some great attacking prowess at times but to see us bull hammering 60+ goals in a season and defend like we have been doing will require an upgrade in nearly every outfield position.

[UniFox21]

5 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said:

Annoying that @Collymoremakes a decent thread amd its just greeted by 'another Puel out thread'.

 

Are we not allowed to discuss the merits of the current team without people thinking theres an agenda? 

 

The context it was raised In was with regards to Puel - "the pattern of Puel". 

 

If it had been to our players and squad; what are we missing etc, then it's a different story. Im bored of seeing everything being about Puel In discussions, which inevitably turn to Puel in or out. 

 

Instead, let's discuss the reasons we may be scoring less; are we having less chances, are oppositions defending better or are we unlucky? 

[HighPeakFox]

It's a very interesting point - if we cannot afford to be smashing teams, let's at least be tight at the back and build forwards. I'm sure we'd all love to see LCFC dish out a pasting or 3. All in good time, one would hope...

[lgfualol]

We dont have many consistent goal scorers in the team, just Vardy. Maddison chips in now and then but it's his first season in the prem. 

 

When you look at other teams, most have attacking midfielders/wingers that usually score a few. Bournemouth have Fraser, Watford Pererya, West Ham Anderson, we had Mahrez etc. We need someone like that imo. Albrighton and Gray are alright, but get no more than 5 goals between them. 

[UniFox21]

Considering the loss of Mahrez, replacing him with an inexperienced number 10 in Maddison, we've adapted well and started scoring some nice goals. 

 

Puel's focused on fixing the defence (as @Ric Flair mentioned) which hasn't been easy at all. With our current set of defenders, we look well equipped for a few years. 

 

Our attack is lacking that final spark, not sure who would improve it, but its that end product we're missing. We've been unlucky to not score in several games; Burnley and Palace to name 2. 

Maybe Barnes can add to that, the competition may spur Gray on as well. 

[That_Dude]

3 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Better get used to it pal because Puel is infamous in France for being "Mr. 2-0." Even in his title winning season with Monaco the team didn't score more than 2 goals too many times:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999–2000_AS_Monaco_FC_season

 

BUT the thing is that this is purely a preference in style of play. Whilst they didn't score too many past 2, it's because Puel prefers to control the game and know the match is wrapped up. Something my friends in France told me when we appointed Puel is that he is a very good coach but that he's the type that if you are 2-0 up will put on another CDM, not look to smash the opposition (though of course sometimes this still happens due to counter attacking, or being completely on top of a game). I'd actually argue that for a team like Leicester who don't have the players anyway to score bags of goals that having great match management skills and being able to hold onto a lead is a very useful skill to have. We've only lost one game this season in a match we went ahead in, and that was the game against Arsenal at the Emirates. Recently against Man City, Chelsea and Everton I felt that once we were ahead the opposition never looked like scoring, the Marcus Alonso chance aside. I feel that unlike other teams e.g. Bournemouth and Everton we have a better chance in the cups. Yes we lost to Man City (again) and Chelsea last year, but we could easily have won both those games. We were in it till the end in both because we are not a gung ho side.

 

Of course I'd love to see us put the number of goals past the opposition that Spurs have been doing recently, but at the same time out of us and Spurs, one team has won the Premier League and one team has not. They outscored us that season, but keeping five clean sheets in a row during the run in is what cemented the title.

 

To be honest in my lifetime I can only really remember one Leicester team that was truly capable of smashing goals in for fun and that was in 13/14 when we were promoted. And even then, we scored 3 most of the time, and I think we only got more than 4 against Bolton and Derby, or at least that's from the games that I remember going to. That was one of the best teams we've ever had, but it was Championship level. When we won the league we scored in pretty much every game, but didn't smash teams. But we did enjoy one of the best days in all of our lives!

 

 

Good post and out of reps.

 

I still think think that things will change if we manage to snatch a good CM or Winger this month (doubtful though) or if Barnes steps up. Although I'm more enclined to let the latter at WBA for the rest of the season even if it means losing a couple of places in the table. Our main problem lies in the midfield though, we just can't get the ball forward fast enough. If we did we should be able to create more even with the actual wingers.

[Collymore]

4 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

The context it was raised In was with regards to Puel - "the pattern of Puel". 

 

and....? 

 

He's the manager and so we discuss. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

33 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

The context it was raised In was with regards to Puel - "the pattern of Puel". 

 

If it had been to our players and squad; what are we missing etc, then it's a different story. Im bored of seeing everything being about Puel In discussions, which inevitably turn to Puel in or out. 

 

Instead, let's discuss the reasons we may be scoring less; are we having less chances, are oppositions defending better or are we unlucky? 

Teams get judged by periods under their managers, its perfectly normal.

 

If you are so sensitive about Puel then i suggest you avoid the forum, at not point has anyone mentioned sacking him in this thread.

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Collymore said:

Puel has been here long enough now to look at some stats. One that caught my eye was total goals scored in a game... 

 

We last scored more than 2 in a Premier League match on the 22nd September 2018 V Huddersfield (only one this season) before that, 9th May V Arsenal at the end of last season. 

 

This is a bit of a half glass empty topic so far as we have stopped the flow at the other end too

 

I do a miss hammering a team by 3 or more though...  

Mahrez 12 goals and 10 assists last season is a massive hole to fill, coupled with Vardy half fit for the majority of the season.

 

What about credit for fixing a defence which shipped 60 goals at 1.6 goals per game last season, now we are conceding at 1.09 a game.

 

I don't think you can look at goals for in isolation or goals against for that matter

[fuchsntf]

44 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Better get used to it pal because Puel is infamous in France for being "Mr. 2-0." Even in his title winning season with Monaco the team didn't score more than 2 goals too many times:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999–2000_AS_Monaco_FC_season

 

BUT the thing is that this is purely a preference in style of play. Whilst they didn't score too many past 2, it's because Puel prefers to control the game and know the match is wrapped up. Something my friends in France told me when we appointed Puel is that he is a very good coach but that he's the type that if you are 2-0 up will put on another CDM, not look to smash the opposition (though of course sometimes this still happens due to counter attacking, or being completely on top of a game). I'd actually argue that for a team like Leicester who don't have the players anyway to score bags of goals that having great match management skills and being able to hold onto a lead is a very useful skill to have. We've only lost one game this season in a match we went ahead in, and that was the game against Arsenal at the Emirates. Recently against Man City, Chelsea and Everton I felt that once we were ahead the opposition never looked like scoring, the Marcus Alonso chance aside. I feel that unlike other teams e.g. Bournemouth and Everton we have a better chance in the cups. Yes we lost to Man City (again) and Chelsea last year, but we could easily have won both those games. We were in it till the end in both because we are not a gung ho side.

 

Of course I'd love to see us put the number of goals past the opposition that Spurs have been doing recently, but at the same time out of us and Spurs, one team has won the Premier League and one team has not. They outscored us that season, but keeping five clean sheets in a row during the run in is what cemented the title.

 

To be honest in my lifetime I can only really remember one Leicester team that was truly capable of smashing goals in for fun and that was in 13/14 when we were promoted. And even then, we scored 3 most of the time, and I think we only got more than 4 against Bolton and Derby, or at least that's from the games that I remember going to. That was one of the best teams we've ever had, but it was Championship level. When we won the league we scored in pretty much every game, but didn't smash teams. But we did enjoy one of the best days in all of our lives!

 

 

I remember a successfull period of Arsenal,who because of the 1-0s, they were called boring....boring Arsenal...

We as another poster mentioned had a few ourselves in our title year....

In my 60+yrs, how many time have we won,lost by 1-0, compared with scoring at any regular long period,scoring 3+.

Maybe the topic owner should create a nice graph from 1960 until now,showing/comparing the 3+ crests  against the 0s and 1s.

Then make a mean,showing the different divisions....4-1 in Div2, is not to compare with a great 1-0s, against title winners L'pool of Manutd..

 

 

[Collymore]

2 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Maybe the topic owner should create a nice graph from 1960 until now,showing/comparing the 3+ crests  against the 0s and 1s.

 

 

[StriderHiryu]

3 minutes ago, Collymore said:

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Collymore said:

Puel has been here long enough now to look at some stats. One that caught my eye was total goals scored in a game... 

 

We last scored more than 2 in a Premier League match on the 22nd September 2018 V Huddersfield (only one this season) before that, 9th May V Arsenal at the end of last season. 

 

This is a bit of a half glass empty topic so far as we have stopped the flow at the other end too

 

I do a miss hammering a team by 3 or more though...  

When you look at last season we scored more at 1.47 a game but conceded more at 1.57 so we were picking up a minus goal difference of -0.10 per game.

 

This year we have scored less at 1.19 a games, but conceded less at 1.09 a games, so we are picking up a +0.10 per game. 

 

I too miss us scoring more goals as lets be honest thats why we watch football, goals are the most entertaining part, however I think we will be more successful this season.

 

CR realised in our title year, you can't keep concidiing goals and expect to win football matches.

[fuchsntf]

Just now, Collymore said:

Fk me!!!   Brilliant analyse and graph, but why the fk,didn't you use Rachel,for the background...And I would have believed you had done

your homework,without checking..but you got the v=1/3 A6xh wrong,now  if you had squared it and put y/n...

You would of been able to represent the x2 constent of Mat Gillies 9yrs =< comparing the x2 ÷ π√3 of the MON era...

Shame you nearly got it...

[jayfox26]

1 hour ago, Mehrez said:

Agree in the sense that there’s nothing like sticking 4 past a team but in a league as unpredictable as ours I don’t see the problem in taking the lead and shutting up shop, opening yourselves up looking for another pointless goal is asking for trouble 

Yep thats what Bournemouth seem to do. They score lots but concede lots as well! I like the fact we dont concede many and i am always happy with 3 points but it would be nice if we scored a few more. Ultimately though, its the results and league position that count and we cant complain too much at the moment

[foxes_rule1978]

Our defence is looking better than it has in a long time, we could do with an CAM, Striker to try to add goals can’t just rely on Vardy 

[fuchsntf]

6 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Our defence is looking better than it has in a long time, we could do with an CAM, Striker to try to add goals can’t just rely on Vardy 

Put in a request for Andy King..

[dmayne7]

2 hours ago, Abrasive fox said:

Annoying that @Collymoremakes a decent thread amd its just greeted by 'another Puel out thread'.

 

Are we not allowed to discuss the merits of the current team without people thinking theres an agenda? 

 

For me, we're not good enough to have a good defence and a great attack, as long as we're winning games i'd rather that than playing well and losing, and if this style works then go for it.

How can it be a decent thread if his facts are wrong? As pointed out, we scored more than 2 away at Spurs.

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, UniFox21 said:

The context it was raised In was with regards to Puel - "the pattern of Puel". 

 

If it had been to our players and squad; what are we missing etc, then it's a different story. Im bored of seeing everything being about Puel In discussions, which inevitably turn to Puel in or out. 

 

Instead, let's discuss the reasons we may be scoring less; are we having less chances, are oppositions defending better or are we unlucky? 

We've missed some decent chances this season for one...

but a struggling but still decent Vardy,a misfiring  Nacho,no real replacements,has been a massive problem!! Add an inconsistent avg midfield,not enough

Goalpower in front 6.....In the last few games it has seemed that Puel has got Albrighton attacking the box more,with Ndidi having more shooting positions,

It's unfortunately entwined with a tiring festive season..!!

[Nicolo Barella]

Think our goals scored will rise once we get Gray out of the team, and maybe even Albrighton although I'd keep him at the club forever 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

5 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

How can it be a decent thread if his facts are wrong? As pointed out, we scored more than 2 away at Spurs.

 

The same point hes making remains though doesnt it? We dont exactly score more than twice often....

[Guest ttfn]

8 hours ago, StanSP said:

I love that we used to be able to attack teams and play a more expressive, creative, free-flowing kind of game but times have changed and I've made my peace with that, so to speak.

 

I'll gladly win 1-0 and secure 3 points with clean sheets as opposed to concede more and not always outscore the opposition...

 

[Mike Oxlong]

I’m often surprised when I see the stats from a Premier League game at how few shots on target there have been, not just for us but generally.

 

Would be great entertainment if matches were like a game of Fifa but they’re not. 

 

 

[mikey54]

Can I start a new thread

’Not conceding more goals than we score in a match - the pattern of Puel’