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1 minute ago, Facecloth said:

I find it interesting that apparently you can't be patriotic and anti Brexit. I love this country and want what's best for it and everyone in it, and imo, which I think is being proven right, that's not Brexit.

 

I'm sure @MattP will enlighten us.

 

I await hearing about this 'patriotic party' and its policies with bated breath.

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Assuming Boris wins which is almost a dead cert  and he stands good to his word we will leave on the 31st  Oct.

Andrea Leadsom explained the Legal default position extremely well on Politics Live. 

The only thing which can stop us leaving on the 31st October will be a vote of 'No Confidence' and will Tories help do this in sufficient numbers to topple their own party with the risk of red Jezz taking the helm. I doubt it.

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1 hour ago, FIF said:

 

But what if your offending them makes them depressed?

When people can’t control their emotions they try to control other people’s behaviour. The world doesn’t work like that and not should people expect it to. 

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5 minutes ago, The Guvnor said:

Assuming Boris wins which is almost a dead cert  and he stands good to his word we will leave on the 31st  Oct.

Andrea Leadsom explained the Legal default position extremely well on Politics Live. 

The only thing which can stop us leaving on the 31st October will be a vote of 'No Confidence' and will Tories help do this in sufficient numbers to topple their own party with the risk of red Jezz taking the helm. I doubt it.

 

But surely they should stand in a general election and get a proper mandate.

 

There is no way Jezza could win a majority at present. 

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45 minutes ago, Buce said:

An interesting choice of words.

 

What do you envisage this 'patriotic' party would be like? What would their policies be?

I'd be looking at a model somewhere in between Lega in Italy on social issues but with the economics of the CDU.

 

I'm sorry if it upsets anybody, but I just can't view giving away the jurisdiction of your highest court patriotic in any way.

 

That doesn't mean I don't think Remainers can't be patriotic, of course they can.

 

31 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

I'd be very surprised if no vote in human history has ever been won by a margin higher than 4%, in fact I'd assume that a 52-48 split constitutes one of the smallest margins of victory we've seen. Are you sure you're thinking about it properly?

You are probably shitposting again, but in case you weren't. 

 

The Brexit vote of 17.4 million is the biggest mandate ever given to a political decision in any election, nothing has ever received a higher number of votes. 

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4 minutes ago, MattP said:

I'd be looking at a model somewhere in between Lega in Italy on social issues but with the economics of the CDU.

 

I'm sorry if it upsets anybody, but I just can't view giving away the jurisdiction of your highest court patriotic in any way.

 

That doesn't mean I don't think Remainers can't be patriotic, of course they can.

 

You are probably shitposting again, but in case you weren't. 

 

The Brexit vote of 17.4 million is the biggest mandate ever given to a political decision in any election, nothing has ever received a higher number of votes. 

Isn't remain the second biggest vote in political history, only beaten on numbers by the leave vote. It's not the number of votes that matter, it's the margin of victory. It wasn't far off 50/50. No wonder the country is so divided, when we're prepared to completely ignore almost half the of it.

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12 minutes ago, MattP said:

I'd be looking at a model somewhere in between Lega in Italy on social issues but with the economics of the CDU.

 

I'm sorry if it upsets anybody, but I just can't view giving away the jurisdiction of your highest court patriotic in any way.

 

That doesn't mean I don't think Remainers can't be patriotic, of course they can.

 

You are probably shitposting again, but in case you weren't. 

 

The Brexit vote of 17.4 million is the biggest mandate ever given to a political decision in any election, nothing has ever received a higher number of votes. 

haha

 

That is so disingenious Matt. Surely with an increasing population numbers like that are useless. Did remain get the second highest number of votes?

 

I see that Xi got 99.8% of the votes to be China's president for life. 

 

Didn't Trump get something like 62 million votes (Hilary 65m).

 

Quoting stats like that simply doesn't do your argument justice.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, MattP said:

I'd be looking at a model somewhere in between Lega in Italy on social issues but with the economics of the CDU.

 

I'm sorry if it upsets anybody, but I just can't view giving away the jurisdiction of your highest court patriotic in any way.

 

That doesn't mean I don't think Remainers can't be patriotic, of course they can.

 

You are probably shitposting again, but in case you weren't. 

 

The Brexit vote of 17.4 million is the biggest mandate ever given to a political decision in any election, nothing has ever received a higher number of votes. 

 

I’m not familiar with their policies. 

Could you answer the question in more specific terms?

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17 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Isn't remain the second biggest vote in political history, only beaten on numbers by the leave vote. It's not the number of votes that matter, it's the margin of victory. It wasn't far off 50/50. No wonder the country is so divided, when we're prepared to completely ignore almost half the of it.

Yes it is, beaten only by the leave vote. 

 

It was close (although still well over a million difference) but the idea of holding these elections or referendums is to decide things that are close. Otherwise what's the point? We don't hold them to find out how much we need to compromise on something or whether it's that's tight a vote that we might get away with not implementing it.

 

If Corbyn sneaks a majority at the next election I don't expect Tories in his cabinet because it was close.

 

It's funny how this only came about in 2019, look at the result of the Welsh devolution referendum - yet that was just implemented no matter how tight.

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12 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

I’m not familiar with their policies. 

Could you answer the question in more specific terms?

Well, here's a one sentence parse from wiki on Lega's social policy to get started:

 

"The party usually takes a socially conservative stance on social issues, such as abortion, euthanasia, medical embryonic stem cell research, artificial insemination, same-sex marriage and drug use."

 

So basically they don't want any of the above.

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3 hours ago, MattP said:

If the Conservative party is destroyed over this I won't shed a tear at all - it will be fully deserved and hopefully a patriotic pro-leave party will emerge from it that's also far more friendly towards the working/middle class and as far away from the Bullingdon club types of Cameron and Osborne as possible. There will be a huge gap in the market for that sort of political party.

 

That polling does shock me, 43% of the country genuinely think you can just ignore the biggest political mandate ever given?? They can't be thinking about it properly. 

 

(Edit: just realised no "2nd ref" option so I'd imagine they are in that 43%, makes more sense now)

Are all the people who voted against brexit suddenly expected to change their mind? If Labour win office, are you suddenly expected to support them? I’ve just never understood this argument that a snapshot referendum fought mostly with lies and fantasies that has now been shown to be exactly that, cannot be overturned by the electorate themselves. This is exactly how democracy works.

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29 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

This should be of particular interest to @urban.spaceman:

 

Still flying: Monty Python to mark 50th anniversary with record attempt

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/jun/26/still-flying-monty-python-to-mark-50th-anniversary-with-record-attempt

I TOLD THEM TO INJECT IT INTO MY VEINS ON TWITTER AND THEY REPLIED THIS IS THE BEST DAY EVER

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26 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

If we have a close general election the government has a smaller majority or not even that. I expect a small majority government to struggle to get all it's intended policies through, they have to compromise.

 

More people voted leave than anything else in history, but more people voted remain than anything else too, bar the thing it was up against. You expect a a near 50/50 vote on something so final to just be shrugged off by nearly 50% of the nation whilst the winners try and enforce the most extreme version of the winning vote? We've all voted on the losing side of GE, that's stomachable because it's a limited time before you get to try and change it. Theres no going back on this, so of course people are scared and are fighting it, or at the least want the fact 16m people voted remain to be recognised in the process of leaving, especially when the process is so vague as the question was vague in itself.

 

Also what @Alf Bentley said.

 

And all the polls suggest the figures are now reversed.

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Breakdancing has been accepted as a sport into the Olympics 2024.

 

FFS!!!!

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https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/104867/excl-chris-williamson-allowed-back-labour-party

 

 

PoliticsHome understands that Keith Vaz led the moves to reject a recommendation from Labour staff that Mr Williamson be referred to the party's National Constitution Committee, which deals with serious disciplinary cases.

He argued that because Mr Williamson represents a marginal seat and that Labour MPs have less than two weeks to tell party bosses whether they wish to stand at the next election, he should be let off with a warning. 

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58 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

If we have a close general election the government has a smaller majority or not even that. I expect a small majority government to struggle to get all it's intended policies through, they have to compromise.

 

More people voted leave than anything else in history, but more people voted remain than anything else too, bar the thing it was up against. You expect a a near 50/50 vote on something so final to just be shrugged off by nearly 50% of the nation whilst the winners try and enforce the most extreme version of the winning vote? We've all voted on the losing side of GE, that's stomachable because it's a limited time before you get to try and change it. Theres no going back on this, so of course people are scared and are fighting it, or at the least want the fact 16m people voted remain to be recognised in the process of leaving, especially when the process is so vague as the question was vague in itself.

 

Also what @Alf Bentley said.

Heard this so many times.  That we should offer a compromise to satisfy those that satisfied remain.  May I ask what compromises would have been offered to leavers if the result had been reversed?

 

Imagine the uproar if Remain had won and people were proposing a 2nd referendum of Leave Vs Soft Remain (leaving the Customs Union and Single Market).

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13 minutes ago, BlueSi13 said:

Heard this so many times.  That we should offer a compromise to satisfy those that satisfied remain.  May I ask what compromises would have been offered to leavers if the result had been reversed?

 

Imagine the uproar if Remain had won and people were proposing a 2nd referendum of Leave Vs Soft Remain (leaving the Customs Union and Single Market).

I imagine if it was as close the other way there would be pressure to push reforms in the EU as it was a clear vote that whilst happy to stay in we weren't happy with it completely as it is.

 

Going back to point about the GE made earlier. If I vote for the second biggest party, I don't vote for the government, but a sufficient amount of people voted the same way that that party still have some voice in parliament, still have some influence. Why should this be any different.

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4 hours ago, MattP said:

You are probably shitposting again, but in case you weren't. 

 

The Brexit vote of 17.4 million is the biggest mandate ever given to a political decision in any election, nothing has ever received a higher number of votes. 

For once, no, honestly I thought saying 52% of votes constitutes the largest mandate in history was the shitpost... Because it is and I'm sure you're well aware of that lol   

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1 hour ago, Parafox said:

Breakdancing has been accepted as a sport into the Olympics 2024.

 

FFS!!!!

At last! Time to dust down that piece of linoleum.

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1 hour ago, Facecloth said:

I imagine if it was as close the other way there would be pressure to push reforms in the EU as it was a clear vote that whilst happy to stay in we weren't happy with it completely as it is.

 

Going back to point about the GE made earlier. If I vote for the second biggest party, I don't vote for the government, but a sufficient amount of people voted the same way that that party still have some voice in parliament, still have some influence. Why should this be any different.

What reforms would we have pursued exactly?  Successive UK government's had tried for years with less and less effect.  David Cameron himself tried to do exactly that prior to the referendum and got the square root of sod all as the European Union was A) Completely unwilling to believe that there was a threat we'd actually vote to leave and B) The European project is a fixed ideal with one ultimate goal which is full European integration.  

 

There isn't a cat in hells chance they'd have been willing to reform AFTER a vote to remain, if anything it would have strengthened their resolve to push ahead with full political, economic and military integration as the British threat would have been extinguished for good in their eyes.  

 

I believe both the UK and EU are best apart.  I can only hope sense prevails on both sides and we can agree to a comprehensive free trade deal prior to Halloween.  

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