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WigstonWanderer

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48 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Independent:

 

Later, No 10 tried to repair the damage done, insisting any trade deals after Brexit would “ensure decisions about public services continue to be made by UK governments, not trade partners”.

“As we leave the EU, the UK will continue to ensure that rigorous protections for the NHS are included in all trade agreements it is party to,” the Prime Minister’s spokesman added.

He pointed out that Ms May had previously pledged that “the NHS is not for sale and it never will be”.

 

Besides all that, May won't be in charge will she, so whatever she has said, or in this case, didn't say, doesn't really matter. 

 

Huff post just coming up with: although I'd be surprised if American lobbyists weren't targeting the NHS, why wouldn't they, an overbloated, piñata full of gold. There shouldn't be a single medical company in all the world not trying to get a piece of that cake, doesn't now, or ever, mean they will get it. 

 

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This is so embarrassing.
 
 

You seem to be a trusting fellow. I think you underestimate the degree to which the UK will be bullied by the US post Brexit. Never mind, I’m sure Boris has the interests of the common man at heart and will be able to stand up to Donald.

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Innovindil

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28 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

It's doing it to me now. :(

 

Edit: I've managed to access it by going from my browser history - try it now:

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/us-lobbyists-brexit_uk_5c5b26c6e4b00187b5579f64?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ1ihXcAMAzWKzOToN5Ek0Ys_0r43oHrKP2Sj3u9OGhgGL6HtOClGEe3LGHwGpbgZEaJ5TWsb_-IUkduH9nLqGXqdtI7agotMHj5ZmeVpDM6DfGdyLrNzDl7LSLQYLgb7zJeYQSDivP7q1wmqWwPQQDcRbjwp-wSCA8Cwi_X3BnO

It's an interesting read, but it's essentially a wishlist of American lobbies, it doesn't actually mean anything. It's like me wishing the next pm gave me a million quid for being awesome. It would be great for me, but unlikely to happen. 

 

9 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

You seem to be a trusting fellow. I think you underestimate the degree to which the UK will be bullied by the US post Brexit. Never mind, I’m sure Boris has the interests of the common man at heart and will be able to stand up to Donald.

It's not Boris I trust. Or trumpet for that matter. 

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Buce

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34 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

It's an interesting read, but it's essentially a wishlist of American lobbies, it doesn't actually mean anything. It's like me wishing the next pm gave me a million quid for being awesome. It would be great for me, but unlikely to happen. 

 

What it shows is what the Yanks will be asking for if we want a deal. I don’t share your faith in Bozo or any other Tory not to give it to them. When the Brexit chickens come home to roost, and it becomes apparent what a clusterfvck it is, the govt will be desperate to save face with a deal. Any deal. 

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It's already documented that the NHS, pharmaceuticals and food will have to be part of any trade deal with the US. 

 

We won't have any bargaining power from surrendering these things because we have nothing else to offer.

 

Brexit will be like chopping off your legs then entering a marathon while all time insisting that you're quicker than Mo Farah. Who we've probably deported by then.

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2 hours ago, Innovindil said:

It's an interesting read, but it's essentially a wishlist of American lobbies, it doesn't actually mean anything. It's like me wishing the next pm gave me a million quid for being awesome. It would be great for me, but unlikely to happen. 

 

 

No it is likely to happen (its quite unlikely there'll be a deal with the US but if there is) because modern FTAs have investor protection mechanisms which is all it is and will be important for both sides as financialised economies. People who are against it are unable to explain why it's fine (not a threat to 'our NHS') to be included in single market rules; or the EU's trade agreement with Canada; or the separate investment protection agreement the EU is negotiating with the EU, ', but an agreement with the US would be. One must suppose, therefore, that is simple anti-americanism. 

 

Also how bad is that HuffPost article. They twist the meaning of what SIFMA said, pretend that foreign business can't already sue the UK government and then pick a case which found in favour of the Australian government. I wonder if that's what constitutes not ignoring the facts, not ignoring experts, and tending towards common sense?

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Buce

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16 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

It's already documented that the NHS, pharmaceuticals and food will have to be part of any trade deal with the US. 

 

We won't have any bargaining power from surrendering these things because we have nothing else to offer.

 

Brexit will be like chopping off your legs then entering a marathon while all time insisting that you're quicker than Mo Farah. Who we've probably deported by then.

 

No, it's very strange but the 'send 'em back' brigade make exceptions for foreigners who bring reflected glory.

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3 hours ago, Innovindil said:

But the yanks won't be holding the British people will they. Which has been my point all along. Boris might try it, hell, he might even succeed, but there's no way it will be allowed to stand. 

 

If you've got another link to that huff post that doesn't 404, I really would be interested in reading it. 

 

 

 

Do you really think the British public will actually do anything more than complain a little?

 

They really aren't known for decent demonstrations more for stiff lipped putting up with things.

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With both Boris Johnson and President Erdogan of Turkey being in the news today (as a result his defeat in the re-run of the Istanbul poll), it reminded me of Bojo's limerick about Erdogan, which starts:- There was a young fellow from Ankara. Politeness prevents me from quoting the rest of it!

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Grebfromgrebland

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2 hours ago, FIF said:

 

Do you really think the British public will actually do anything more than complain a little?

 

They really aren't known for decent demonstrations more for stiff lipped putting up with things.

Even if a million did protest we'd be ignored as has been proven previously.

 

The only way to get noticed would be a general strike or revolution.

 

Half the country are willing to support MPs who want to sell the NHS and give tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires while cutting all services to the general public; we'd struggle to prevent anything really.

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2 hours ago, FIF said:

 

Do you really think the British public will actually do anything more than complain a little?

 

They really aren't known for decent demonstrations more for stiff lipped putting up with things.

On most things the British would take it on the chin.This would be a step to far though,a bit like the Poll Tax but x10.It would be a brave politician to make that call.I would hope they have the helicopter ready for evacuation.

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11 hours ago, Facecloth said:

They should allow Hunt to do it alone. He can put his points across unchallenged by his rival, make up some ground. 

 

They could just put one of the Muppets in the the other chair - that'd actually be both representative and make it worth watching.

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Buce

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2 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

They could just put one of the Muppets in the the other chair - that'd actually be both representative and make it worth watching.

 

That wouldn’t be fair to Hunt.  

 

If you’re going to have s ringer for Bozo, it shouldn’t be one that’s more competent. 

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Buce

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The photograph of Bozo and his girlfriend, supposedly showing they are reconciled, was taken weeks ago. ?

 

He really is a bumbling twat. 

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Alf Bentley

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43 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Jaysus ****ing Christ our culture has gone mental. 

 

 

Disgraceful, assuming the report is accurate.

 

Nobody has the right not to be offended. If someone says something deemed offensive, there are many ways to object. If the "offender" accepts the objection, they can apologise and change their ways. If they don't accept it, they should be able to carry on - and the "victim" can deem them a tosser if they feel like it.

 

Of course, a controversial opinion can be used unacceptably: e.g. encouraging hated rather than just expressing blunt criticism or repeatedly targeting an individual or group, so as to bully, incite bigotry or whatever.

But a one-off sharing of a controversial comment in the context of a comedy performance doesn't qualify, if that's all that happened.

 

Connolly's words don't sound like the height of wit, but I don't know the full context of that section of his act - and he's a thinking man, generally. Even if it was low-grade humour, that's subjective and permissible.

 

I don't see much merit in gratuitous, unexplained insults against any belief system, but they shouldn't be banned - unless used abusively to bully or spread hatred.

No way should religion be a special case, either. All religious beliefs should be open to criticism, parody, even insult on the same basis as political beliefs, personal beliefs or whatever.

 

 

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