Thai Monarch

[dayday]

12 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

All our money is ultimately coursey of Thai politics.

 

Thai politics involves sucking up to the king.

This, and if it benefits us then I have no issue.

[Jattdogg]

I'm sure people think about the borderline dictatorship when they book holidays there

 

It is a bit odd but i understand given their royal status and connections to the monarchy its more of a respect thing which i can understand. A bit over done but at the end of the day our owners arent British and will come woth their own cultural ways and ideas. 

 

No harm done. Would you rather have a personal visit from prince charles ugly mug instead?

[Kopfkino]

10 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Because the current situation in Thailand isn’t pretty. Media is censored, elections are considered rigged (there wasn’t a democratic election for 8 years) and you are not allowed to criticise the monarchy in any way. 

 

It’s not pretty. I don’t want my club being used as a vehicle for this. 

 

 

 

I presume you must oppose our ownership then? It doesn't seem to bother people that we are building a £100m training ground as a result of directly benefitting from people taking advantage of uncomfortable political situations and cosying up to some of the people responsible so I've no idea why a message on a screen gets people's backs up. Well I do because it's a lot easier than taking an actual stand against the whole thing. 

[TheUltimateWinner]

Not really fussed, our owners are respectful of our culture so we should be respectful of theirs.

[Voll Blau]

 

3 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

I'm sure people think about the borderline dictatorship when they book holidays there

 

It is a bit odd but i understand given their royal status and connections to the monarchy its more of a respect thing which i can understand. A bit over done but at the end of the day our owners arent British and will come woth their own cultural ways and ideas. 

 

No harm done. Would you rather have a personal visit from prince charles ugly mug instead?

People on their holidays aren't claiming to represent anyone's views but their own when they do that. LCFC as a club, in putting out this announcement, are officially saying they back this regime, and by implication so do all of their supporters.

 

I'd be interested to know just how anti-democratic a regime would have to be for our fans to be bothered that they're being seen as supportive of it. If we had a Russian owner, I can't imagine most would be best pleased at pro-Putin messages being blasted out over the stadium.

 

If Top supports the bloke, then that's his call and he should say so speaking in a personal capacity. He's entitled to that opinion. But it's out of order for him and King Power to use LCFC as a vehicle for their political opinions.

Edited 13 May 2019 by Voll Blau

[CosbehFox]

5 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

 

I presume you must oppose our ownership then? It doesn't seem to bother people that we are building a £100m training ground as a result of directly benefitting from people taking advantage of uncomfortable political situations and cosying up to some of the people responsible so I've no idea why a message on a screen gets people's backs up. Well I do because it's a lot easier than taking an actual stand against the whole thing. 

 

I have said I don’t want my club being used as a political vehicle.

 

The owners in my opinion have had the balance spot on when it comes to this matter since their ownership. It’s a personal matter from them. Don’t make this matter for numerous football fans what make up this great club 

 

Edited 13 May 2019 by Cardiff_Fox

[David Guiza]

Not at all comfortable with it, the political situation in Thailand isn't a comfortable one - a few years ago now but here's an illustration of the regime https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/15/thai-man-faces-jail-insulting-kings-dog-sarcastic-internet-post

 

I get why it's important for the owners and therefore the club, but it's not something I would ever actively support and applaud like many did yesterday. Even aside from the questionable morals and ethics I wouldn't engage for the same reasons that I didn't stand for the national anthem when watching a baseball game in the US. 

 

 

[Wymsey]

Is there still a plan to build a statue of Vichai outside the stadium?

[UpTheLeagueFox]

The things people find to moan about  

[CosbehFox]

4 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

The things people find to moan about  

Personal matters and opinions, simple as that. 

[David Guiza]

2 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

The things people find to moan about  

What is wrong with questioning whether an English football club should be celebrating the succession of an almost dictatorial regime? 

 

Another article about the questionable way things are run over there for you - https://www.dw.com/en/thai-activists-accused-of-defaming-king-disappear/a-48684637 

 

Football fans are huge hypocrites. The vast majority, myself included to an extent, will put up with a huge amount if it means success on the field.

[mozartfox]

48 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Just clarify the reason it doesn’t hold particularly well is that the current political situation in Thailand is very, very merky. Bordering dictatorship 

A bit like the UK then........ now Farage has been re-activated? 

[murphy]

Our owners had a close relationship with the previous king and hopefully the new one too and no one seems to have had a problem with Thai money thus far.

If our owners want to show their respect then we should respect that. 

 

Anyway, who cares if it is  a 'borderline dictatorship'?  Loads of countries are and we shouldn't be so arrogant as to presume we have the one and only system that works.  If we had a dictatorship we'd actually be able to get things done.

 

[Kopfkino]

24 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

 

I have said I don’t want my club being used as a political vehicle.

 

The owners in my opinion have had the balance spot on when it comes to this matter since their ownership. It’s a personal matter from them. Don’t make this matter for numerous football fans what make up this great club 

 

 

You said the reason being the political situation in Thailand being 'very, very merky' rather than just the club being involved in politics. It just seemed strange that you'll happily lap up the benefits of money obtained by consistently taking advantage of dodgy Thai political situations but are triggered by a message on the screen and advertising hoardings about the coronation of the new King.

[Royston.]

Top: I'll see your white shorts and raise you a fookin massive thai monach message.

 

Its going to be a long summer...

[CosbehFox]

20 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

 

You said the reason being the political situation in Thailand being 'very, very merky' rather than just the club being involved in politics. It just seemed strange that you'll happily lap up the benefits of money obtained by consistently taking advantage of dodgy Thai political situations but are triggered by a message on the screen and advertising hoardings about the coronation of the new King.

Well my first comment on the matter was that politics and football shouldn't mix - in some scenarios that will happen regardless. My conscience would be more clearer if the political view of the club was aligned to a democracy as opposed to a regime which has helped maintain marshal law for numerous years. 

 

I have my concerns from the very beginning on the political link of King Power and the Thai government. Can't remember if I was posting here at the time. We are all morally corrupt when it comes this scenario - a lot of the things we consume on a daily basis is often the result of a government taking advantage of a scenario. In fact there's a fair few on hypocritical in the criticism of say Manchester City but happy to support what we have. 

 

Ultimately, its never sat well on my conscience. However I have very little control over who owns my football club. What I can stand up against is when the club makes such public displays. Simply on the first principle alone of 'politics and football shouldn't mix'. Could you imagine the uproar at say Roma or Venezia if their owner screened the support of an American presidency candidate on their screens? 

Edited 13 May 2019 by Cardiff_Fox

[CosbehFox]

23 minutes ago, murphy said:

Anyway, who cares if it is  a 'borderline dictatorship'?  Loads of countries are and we shouldn't be so arrogant as to presume we have the one and only system that works.  If we had a dictatorship we'd actually be able to get things done.

When people are being prisoned because free speech is stamped out, I think it's fair to say I can dismiss this system. 

Edited 13 May 2019 by Cardiff_Fox

[surrifox]

55 minutes ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

Not really fussed, our owners are respectful of our culture so we should be respectful of theirs.

Absolutely. Also I imagine that this sort of display plays well to the crowd in Thailand . They have more than earned the right to utilise their relationship with the club

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, surrifox said:

Absolutely. Also I imagine that this sort of display plays well to the crowd in Thailand . They have more than earned the right to utilise their relationship with the club

So basically if we hadn't been as successful as we have been under them, then they might not have? That's what it boils down to?

[Bob Hazels shorts]

Whilst thankfully there are some on here who have sensible comments I can't get over the amount of ignorant ill-informed and stupid opinions.

 

We are thankfully owned by successful people from a country with a different culture to ours. Respect that?

 

The political situation In Thailand has been a little merky, (or murky) as ours is so fair and pure we are able to comment on that. Ha

 

I'm about to go there on my 15th family visit (cue the pathetic ladyboy jokes) I can assure those who have not ventured out of their estate that as people and a country much puts us to shame.

 

The game was on global TV and the King is still absolutely revered, if they feel that thanking him was appropriate why not? 

 

The merky (or 'murky') supporters are happy to take advantage of the Thai culture in way of their generosity. I don't see the the ignorant handing back the many token gifts, offering to pay extra for season tickets or wanting the first division again.

 

I feel I can embrace and respect other interesting cultures. The tone by some that borders on hatred to the best owners you could wish for is sad.

 

Call and see Top or drop him a line. When he see's the level of appreciation by some and pulls out of the club you'll be crying in to your Tennents Super and kebab.

 

Pathetic

Edited 13 May 2019 by Bob Hazels shorts

[Guest SO1]

51 minutes ago, David Guiza said:

Not at all comfortable with it, the political situation in Thailand isn't a comfortable one - a few years ago now but here's an illustration of the regime https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/15/thai-man-faces-jail-insulting-kings-dog-sarcastic-internet-post

 

I get why it's important for the owners and therefore the club, but it's not something I would ever actively support and applaud like many did yesterday. Even aside from the questionable morals and ethics I wouldn't engage for the same reasons that I didn't stand for the national anthem when watching a baseball game in the US. 

 

 

I just go to the urinal during the anthem. A fitting tribute for our government. I know I'm being a wimp, just not up for conflict with the True Belivers. Yet.

[surrifox]

1 minute ago, Voll Blau said:

So basically if we hadn't been as successful as we have been under them, then they might not have? That's what it boils down to?

Yes that’s exactly what I said 

 

whether we’ve been successful or not isn’t the point - their fantastic support and stewardship of the club and the extent to which they have committed their resources to it is 

[chapero82]

I think it’s nice myself, makes you feel like we are all together 

[David Guiza]

1 minute ago, SO1 said:

I just go to the urinal during the anthem. A fitting tribute for our government. I know I'm being a wimp, just not up for conflict with the True Belivers. Yet.

Haha! I don't blame you, I just sat awkwardly and hoped it would end sooner rather than later. I wouldn't fancy a 'debate' with any of the hard core flag wavers. 

 

2 minutes ago, Bob Hazels shorts said:

Whilst thankfully there are some on here who have sensible comments I can't get over the amount of ignorant ill-informed and stupid opinions.

 

We are thankfully owned by successful people from a country with a different to ours. Respect that?

 

The political situation In Thailand has been a little merky, (or murky) as ours is so fair and pure we are able to comment on that. Ha

 

I'm about to go there on my 15th family visit (cue the pathetic ladyboy jokes) I can assure those who have not ventured out of their estate that as people and a country it much puts us to shame.

 

The game was on global TV and the King is still absolutely revered, if they feel that thanking him was appropriate why not? 

 

The merky (or 'murky') supporters are happy to take advantage of the Thai culture in way of their generosity. I don't see the the ignorant handing back the many token gifts, offering to pay extra for season tickets or wanting the first division again.

 

I feel I can embrace and respect other interesting cultures. The tone by some that borders on hatred to the best owners you could wish for is sad.

 

Call and see Top or drop him a line. When he see's the level of appreciation by some and pulls out of the club you'll be crying in to your Tennents Super and kebab.

 

Pathetic

I completely understand your sentiment but I also respectively disagree on a few points.

 

As has been alluded to already - the fact that we've been successful during their tenure does not give anybody the exclusive right to do whatever they want and expect every member of the crowd to obey. I couldn't have even dreamed of the level of success and stability we would go on to endure over the past few years, it's unprecedented, but outside of football I hold political and socioeconomic views, the same as every single poster on this forum does, and if anybody from my wife to my football club do or say something that I don't agree with then am I not entitled to question that?

 

Can Chelsea fans not be uncomfortable with Abramovic's relationship with Putin, or underhand dealings, because of what he has delivered to the club? You surely can be on the hand grateful for what they have delivered to the club, and on the other hand be somewhat dismissive to applauding a dictatorial regime that has seen people mysteriously vanish for being in opposition? 

 

It's a fine line and one that I struggle to tread. I wouldn't swap the past 5 or so years for anything, but the fact that we're not Coventry City doesn't mean I can't disagree with somethings the owner(s) do/have done.

 

As I mentioned before, we are all hypocrites and even more so as football fans. Just look at the Liverpool fans who supported Suarez through racial allegations and the biting and then threw their toys out the pram because he celebrates a huge goal in a Champions League final game. 

[urban.spaceman]

2 hours ago, promised land said:

Does it really matter?

 

Did it affect you in some way then snowflake?

 

Unlike this country they worship their monarch hence where the King Power name came from.

Full sweep!