Ayoze Pérez

[FoxesWalk]

4 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Actually you covered a similar point in this post, you seem to understand why fans dont like perez without looking it in the eye, fans can forgive sloppy football if there is some sort of output from it, with perez there isnt any and that's why he's disliked. Our fans like defensive work as much as anyone as well but i cant remember the last time i got excited over a perez tackle, probably newcastle 5-0 in his first season where he was actually causing the opposition cbs some trouble and got us a couple goals from it.

Yeah the things he has done well of late are  unspectacular and can go unnoticed unless you are specifically watching him. I have spent a couple of games just watching him off and on the ball, and was fairly impressed tbh (I did go in with low expectations). I can see why Brendan persists. But football is an entertainment business and he is an unspectacular player who currently has little end product. Lookman is certainly going to be more exciting to watch. 

Edited 1 September 2021 by FoxesWalk

[murphy]

53 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

Definition of pile on,  

informal 

: to join other people in criticizing something or someone in usually an unfair way

example: After the first few negative reviews, all the other critics started piling on.

 

I think that the term in recent years has been adapted for social media use as in a twitter pile on, in which case someone might make a controversial statement and get swamped.  In that case, there is a pile on to the OP.  If there is no person directly on the receiving end, in this instance it is not a pile on in the same sense.

 

Here we have a discussion re a player that is being discussed but is not directly on the receiving end personally.

 

Yes, there are other uses of the word, ie you can pile on the pounds etc but in a social media sense there has to be someone on the receiving end for it to be a pile on.  Just my understanding of it and it makes a big difference. 

Edited 1 September 2021 by murphy

[volpeazzurro]

3 hours ago, FoxesWalk said:

Last season was the worst of his career by some distance. Before he joined us he was consistently hitting double figures for goals in a mediocre PL team. First season with us he did pretty well, 8 goals from RW is respectable. I can see why he cost what he did and why we went for him. It wasn’t out of the question that he could make the Spain squad at the time. 10+ goals a season consistently in the prem is worth that money now, as mental as the fees are. His defensive stats and play off the ball was elite (still is) so we thought we were buying a pressing forward who would contribute goals. 
 

Last season his output wasn’t good enough, he was woefully out of form in front of goal. But there is still a player there. Hopefully he is a player that improves with crowds back, though a good chunk of our fans seem to detest him and have no interest in helping him get his confidence back... 

 

It may not be a coincidence that his form fell off a cliff during Covid with empty stadiums. Would also not surprise me if something was going on with him off the pitch (aside from the parties with Madders and Hamza 😂). 

No offence but I think you'll find that that's a little ambitious to say the least. His goals stats whilst at Newcastle were 12, 8, 6 and 7, mediocre to say the least with one decent season perhaps. In fairness, he seems a willing horse but perhaps better suited to Spanish football? (Please note the kind use of the word horse and not donkey).

 

As for playing for the Spanish national side I think as NP would say, delusions of grandeur. 

[murphy]

39 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

I think the perception that Perez loses the ball more than iheanacho and barnes comes from the fact that when he loses the ball he tends to do it needlessly in low pressure situations, when Barnes and Iheanacho lose the ball at least it's because theyre trying to do something with it and attack the opponent's defence. Perez has the combination of losing the ball frequently whilst also having very low output which is incredibly frustrating for most fans.

That's a very good point and something that statistics alone cannot tell you.

[murphy]

2 hours ago, Daz93 said:

Not a big fan of Perez but if he continues to play then we need to get behind him. No use berating a player devoid of form and confidence because he'll become even more ineffective.

Absolutely.  If I am there in the stadium I will get behind him 100% and stifle my groans.  The same for each and every Leicester player.

 

This is the place to air your frustrations, or at the pub or something.

 

I really must go and find something useful to do now.  

[murphy]

2 hours ago, FoxesWalk said:

I didn’t specify in the league, but anyway these were the three seasons before he joined us (inc. domestic cups, which Newcastle went out in the early rounds of most of) 

 

16/17 season - 12 goals 

17/18 season - 10 goals 

18/19 season - 13 goals 

Last season for us he got 3, which I think everyone knows is not good enough. Himself included you’d imagine. 

 

You did:

 

10+ goals a season consistently in the prem is worth that money now

[Simoken]

156 pages of the same conversation about Ayoze... fml

[jmono84]

People are frustrated with the guy and rightly so. He might have the odd good touch but his overall game on the right wing is piss poor.

 

I’m happy Albrighton has scored to keep Perez out of the position for as long as possible. The guy doesn’t offer no where near enough and I hate considering him as a wide forward option.

[weller54]

2 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

No offence but I think you'll find that that's a little ambitious to say the least. His goals stats whilst at Newcastle were 12, 8, 6 and 7, mediocre to say the least with one decent season perhaps. In fairness, he seems a willing horse but perhaps better suited to Spanish football? (Please note the kind use of the word horse and not donkey).

 

As for playing for the Spanish national side I think as NP would say, delusions of grandeur. 

I've got more chance of representing Britain at the Olympics in the womens 100 metre breast stroke.

Edited 1 September 2021 by weller54

[murphy]

3 minutes ago, weller54 said:

I've got more chance of representing Britain at the Olympics in the womens 100 metre brest stroke.

Good luck with it but I suspect that the women's breast stroke event isn't what you think it is.

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, weller54 said:

I've got more chance of representing Britain at the Olympics in the womens 100 metre brest stroke.

I look forward to seeing you in your costume in the press release 😁. If I took part however, I may just pip you over the line by a moob!

[Ric Flair]

Another thing regarding Perez. I accept its not his fault that he's not a right winger, even though it looked on the face of it that he was deployed on the right at Newcastle with a free role to support Rondon. However,let's agree that it's not his best role and when he's asked to do so by Rodgers if he isn't creating many goals and assists then that's because he's not suitable......

 

Yet his supposed best position is as an ACM or support striker, the position he himself has said he wants to play and many on here wanted him to play and he finally got a run of games there and scored 1 goal and got 1 assist in the final third of the season. It was diabolical and way worse than his output at right wing was for us in the 2019/20 season.

 

There's little defending him, top 6 chasing clubs don't have wingers or support strikers that score or assist only a few times a season but play 20-30 games, it's madness. 

[Claridge]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Another thing regarding Perez. I accept its not his fault that he's not a right winger, even though it looked on the face of it that he was deployed on the right at Newcastle with a free role to support Rondon. However,let's agree that it's not his best role and when he's asked to do so by Rodgers if he isn't creating many goals and assists then that's because he's not suitable......

 

Yet his supposed best position is as an ACM or support striker, the position he himself has said he wants to play and many on here wanted him to play and he finally got a run of games there and scored 1 goal and got 1 assist in the final third of the season. It was diabolical and way worse than his output at right wing was for us in the 2019/20 season.

 

There's little defending him, top 6 chasing clubs don't have wingers or support strikers that score or assist only a few times a season but play 20-30 games, it's madness. 

better drop albrighton then

[Ric Flair]

Just now, Claridge said:

better drop albrighton then

Albrighton's output pissed all over Perez's last season and to be fair its one of the reasons Albrighton doesn't play as much for us in previous years. 

[An Sionnach]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Another thing regarding Perez. I accept its not his fault that he's not a right winger, even though it looked on the face of it that he was deployed on the right at Newcastle with a free role to support Rondon. However,let's agree that it's not his best role and when he's asked to do so by Rodgers if he isn't creating many goals and assists then that's because he's not suitable......

 

Yet his supposed best position is as an ACM or support striker, the position he himself has said he wants to play and many on here wanted him to play and he finally got a run of games there and scored 1 goal and got 1 assist in the final third of the season. It was diabolical and way worse than his output at right wing was for us in the 2019/20 season.

 

There's little defending him, top 6 chasing clubs don't have wingers or support strikers that score or assist only a few times a season but play 20-30 games, it's madness. 

What does Rodgers know that 5000 people on here do not is the question. One of the great mysteries in our recent history.

[fuchsntf]

2 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

What does Rodgers know that 5000 people on here do not is the question. One of the great mysteries in our recent history.

It's all a dastardly  plan....that is hidden from the 5000, But 25000 know....

But we aint telling you...so there...

[Dahnsouff]

Ayoze, twisting your jimmies for another year  

Edited 1 September 2021 by Dahnsouff

[weller54]

36 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

What does Rodgers know that 5000 people on here do not is the question. One of the great mysteries in our recent history.

5000/1... where have I heard that before?

[Phil Bowman]

3 hours ago, jmono84 said:

I hate considering him as a wide forward option.

We don’t have to consider anyone as options. That’s the manager’s job. We can just relax and enjoy the match. Or not so much, sometimes.

[FoxyLeon]

The guy was averaging 8 goals a season at Newcastle. (4 PL seasons)

He's averaging 5 goals a season here. (2 PL seasons)

 

So it's clear, we're not getting the best possible out of him...As you would expect him to improve his stats, at a side higher up the table, with more attacking quality. 

 

 

Although it's interesting how easy it is to also spot people who have an 'agenda' against him.

The same people that are claiming Maddison shouldn't be dropped because he offers a goal threat, and claiming Albrighton should be playing ahead of Perez.....

A guy who offers 2 goals a season, max!

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

Can we just close this thread? Perez is a bag of wank however which way you look at it. Full stop 

[foxinsocks]

Brendan Rodgers is a well respect guy.  He I knowledgable and experienced.  Part of his job is to craft a first team squad that he wants to work with.  We have to let him do that. 

 

Yet to be a manager requires self belief... and that can lead to a failure to remain objective about your own poor decisions.  I do hope Brendan can avoid this pitfall.

 

That leaves the rest of us.  Its great if we are aligned with the manager (as we were with Claudio when he won the league): on other occasions we may question the managers ideas (puel);  at the moment we fail to understand some of bredans decisions ( like to start Perez and or Maddison).  While he doesnt have to explain himself  i think a good manager should engage... to say I know people are questioning me  but I am seeking this or that .

Edited 1 September 2021 by foxinsocks

[sdb]

He's got a pretty unforgiving role. Priorities seem to be supporting the RB defensively and making space for others. I don't think the role is designed for him to be prolific at scoring. Problem is, on the ball he seems to have regressed as a player that can contribute. His confidence is probably shot (certainly if he's been on here anytime this year) but his touch, movement, and certainly end product has totally deserted him. 

 

I don't hate the guy like most people seem to, but it's hard to see him ever being more than a 6/10 player for us, which is poor for the fee we paid.

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, FoxyLeon said:

The guy was averaging 8 goals a season at Newcastle. (4 PL seasons)

He's averaging 5 goals a season here. (2 PL seasons)

 

So it's clear, we're not getting the best possible out of him...As you would expect him to improve his stats, at a side higher up the table, with more attacking quality. 

 

 

Although it's interesting how easy it is to also spot people who have an 'agenda' against him.

The same people that are claiming Maddison shouldn't be dropped because he offers a goal threat, and claiming Albrighton should be playing ahead of Perez.....

A guy who offers 2 goals a season, max!

Albrighton will provide at least half a dozen assists a season though, but it's an absolutely scandalous situation to be in where its between those two for the right wing spot at a team who harbours top 6 year in, year out.

[Ric Flair]

12 minutes ago, sdb said:

He's got a pretty unforgiving role. Priorities seem to be supporting the RB defensively and making space for others. I don't think the role is designed for him to be prolific at scoring. Problem is, on the ball he seems to have regressed as a player that can contribute. His confidence is probably shot (certainly if he's been on here anytime this year) but his touch, movement, and certainly end product has totally deserted him. 

 

I don't hate the guy like most people seem to, but it's hard to see him ever being more than a 6/10 player for us, which is poor for the fee we paid.

What was his excuse when playing as an ACM/10 in the final third of last season in a 3-4-1-2 then? His creative and goalscoring output in his supposed favoured position was even worse than from the wing!!!!