Ayoze Pérez

[honeybradger]

8 minutes ago, The_77 said:

I really don’t like getting in the habit of calling out players but I really can’t see the point of Ayoze as a RW anymore. 
 

His offensive/goal contributions have completely dried up. His defensive stats, which are often used to defend his playing style, look impressive at first glance but aren’t enough to justify his starting place. 
 

His tackles and interceptions look great against other forwards but they’re not very impressive compared to his number of pressures per 90, that’s a whole lot of running around without much relative product. 

Albrighton, for example, averages just as many tackles and slightly more interceptions with a lower number of pressures.

 

Ayoze also doesn’t really do much to help us get the ball up the pitch or in attacking areas. 

We probably have three matches now to try out different ideas for that position. I hope we find something more effective. 

 

This, it would be interesting to see his success rate with tackles, for all this talk of his defensive numbers he doesnt actually seem to know how to time his tackles or even properly commit to making them, the opposition players just seem to breeze by him most of the time with little to no hassle. You look at examples of quality high workrate attacking players such as mane at liverpool, perisic at bayern munich in their cl run, okazaki and vardy in our title season, theyre an absolute nightmare for the opposition side when they're in possession, they chase them down and slidetackle them and force them into making errors, the way i see it is the opposition dont seem to struggle with perez chasing them down at all, he's hardly even a nuisance for them.

[Stadt]

31 minutes ago, The_77 said:

I really don’t like getting in the habit of calling out players but I really can’t see the point of Ayoze as a RW anymore. 
 

His offensive/goal contributions have completely dried up. His defensive stats, which are often used to defend his playing style, look impressive at first glance but aren’t enough to justify his starting place. 
 

His tackles and interceptions look great against other forwards but they’re not very impressive compared to his number of pressures per 90, that’s a whole lot of running around without much relative product. 

Albrighton, for example, averages just as many tackles and slightly more interceptions with a lower number of pressures.

 

Ayoze also doesn’t really do much to help us get the ball up the pitch or in attacking areas. 

We probably have three matches now to try out different ideas for that position. I hope we find something more effective. 

 

The xA figure is the worst. The 9th percentile for expected assists  

 

91% of AMs/Wingers in the top 5 leagues are more creative - how many of those cost less than £30m?

[FoxesWalk]

2 hours ago, The_77 said:

I really don’t like getting in the habit of calling out players but I really can’t see the point of Ayoze as a RW anymore. 
 

His offensive/goal contributions have completely dried up. His defensive stats, which are often used to defend his playing style, look impressive at first glance but aren’t enough to justify his starting place. 
 

His tackles and interceptions look great against other forwards but they’re not very impressive compared to his number of pressures per 90, that’s a whole lot of running around without much relative product. 

Albrighton, for example, averages just as many tackles and slightly more interceptions with a lower number of pressures.

 

Ayoze also doesn’t really do much to help us get the ball up the pitch or in attacking areas. 

We probably have three matches now to try out different ideas for that position. I hope we find something more effective. 

 

Go back one season and have a look at his attacking stats with us, or any of the few seasons before that with Newcastle, and you can see how bad his output was last year compared to his “average”. There is a player there, just one lacking confidence for an extended period of time. If he can find his pre-Covid form again he is a pretty good two way forward. Put him in the Dutch league and he’d probably put in even better numbers than his past and people on this forum would probably be begging to spunk £30-40m on him. 
 

As it stands he isn’t good enough to be a starter here though, and it doesn’t help that he has basically no competition. 

Edited 24 August 2021 by FoxesWalk

[SouthStandUpperTier]

2 hours ago, The_77 said:

I really don’t like getting in the habit of calling out players but I really can’t see the point of Ayoze as a RW anymore. 
 

His offensive/goal contributions have completely dried up. His defensive stats, which are often used to defend his playing style, look impressive at first glance but aren’t enough to justify his starting place. 
 

His tackles and interceptions look great against other forwards but they’re not very impressive compared to his number of pressures per 90, that’s a whole lot of running around without much relative product. 

Albrighton, for example, averages just as many tackles and slightly more interceptions with a lower number of pressures.

 

Ayoze also doesn’t really do much to help us get the ball up the pitch or in attacking areas. 

We probably have three matches now to try out different ideas for that position. I hope we find something more effective. 

 

His 23.2 pressures per 90 was the best amongst the 21 outfield players who played at least one full game for us last season. However, his successful pressure % is down at 26.5%, ranking him way down at 18th out 21. So yes, basically he runs around a lot, but to little effect.

[ARM1968]

No need for much debate. He just isn’t good enough. 

[Gearoid]

4 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Throw in Hinchcliffe screaming for it as well. It's a problem I have with VAR in that it shows the refs the offence in slow motion. Perez must have some incredible brain speed to have meant that. Fornals beat him to the ball? Yeah that's what happened. Not a pre-mediated stamp. 

The point is he doesn't have to have meant it.

The ref decides on what he actually did not whether he meant to do it

And what he did was commit a red card offence 

[Gearoid]

4 hours ago, filbertway said:

I found it incredibly weird that Hinchecliife also said something like "i've played the game and you can tell he's meant to do that". I played youth team football as a goalkeeper and know that all Perez is trying to do is shield the ball.

 

I noticed that, it started with his studs planted on Fornals shin. Then they showed a normal speed one which looked innocuous and then they showed a couple of super slow mo ones.

 

 

So I have this afternoon someone actually told me the rules of what serious foul play is. To me, it's an issue with extremely vague rules at fault here rather than the referees. It also explains why refs have given so many red cards that I thought were harsh.

For me the rules need to be updated, I think there has to be a degree of pre-meditation from the offending player for it to be a red card. The punishment shouldn't be outcome based, they should be based on the intent of the player. It's clear as day there to anyone what Perez was attempting to do and he (and Fornals) are unfortunate that  Fornals has got their just before him.

 

I'd like to ask Neville why Fornals didn't avoid the challenge if players are able to easily shift their momentum. It seems weird that Fornals would intentionally choose to put his leg in that position knowing he's going to get smashed. The answer is of course that he had decided what he was going to do, just as Perez had done and the whole thing happened in the space of a second.

 

If that had been McTominay, I think Neville's tune would have been a touch different.

There has to be a degree of pre meditation!

Buck me along with all else he has to do you want the ref to be a mind reader

[filbertway]

Just now, Gearoid said:

There has to be a degree of pre meditation!

Buck me along with all else he has to do you want the ref to be a mind reader

99% of the time its very very obvious, as last nights case is. There clearly was none and the VAR would be able to see that.

 

If they cant tell then they need to pick a different sport to officiate

[CosbehFox]

10 minutes ago, Gearoid said:

The point is he doesn't have to have meant it.

The ref decides on what he actually did not whether he meant to do it

And what he did was commit a red card offence 

Didn’t debate if it was red card offence or not. I was debating the assertion by the pundits that Perez meant to cause injury. 

Edited 24 August 2021 by Cardiff_Fox

[majaco]

Perez seems to be constantly trying to recover from loss of balance.  His movement is awkward.

He seems to get the ball stuck under his feet.   

 

I think he puts a shift in but is just not good enough.   Ironically, last night, he was probably having one of his better games.  For me it was a stonewall red.  Reckless.  

 

[majaco]

I don't think it was intentional but he could have broken Fornals' leg.

[Vestan Pance]

I'm no fan of Perez but having now seen the incident my opinion is it's really unfortunate, he's off balance from a challenge and there's no intent whatsoever. Really harsh but it gives us 3 games to try something different.

[Legend_in_blue]

To think that some people on here think it was intentional

 

Never intentional (unlike the Villareal friendly incident), but under current interpretation of the laws of the game it is a red.

 

Enough said.  Move on.

[FoxinNotts]

Bottom line is, he doesn’t contribute enough to the team. Brendan clearly loves him, and that’s that. Close thread

[funkyrobot]

For me, last season he was best when used as an alternative to Maddison, either covering him when injured or being subbed on for him. That’s what he’s best at IMO, playing centrally behind a main striker. I’ve not been wholly convinced by either him or Maddison for months and I’d like to see how we could play without either, maybe using KDH or Soumare and playing with two attacking wingers in a fluid 4-5-1 to 4-3-3 formation.

[Adrian]

Newcastle fans are still smirking about that deal

[marbles]

13 minutes ago, Adrian said:

Newcastle fans are still smirking about that deal

I’m sure they outright laughed at us when his play led to our FA Cup Final win.

 

[Adrian]

3 minutes ago, marbles said:

I’m sure they outright laughed at us when his play led to our FA Cup Final win.

 

Jesus if I got enough time on the pitch I'm sure I'd get a touch or 2...probably bounce off my arse straight into vardys path to score winner...that's me straight into hall of fame...

[FoxyLeon]

1 minute ago, marbles said:

I’m sure they outright laughed at us when his play led to our FA Cup Final win.

 

 

Defining Perez's Leicester career in that moment, is about as accurate as defining Vardy's with the poor pass/touch for the first goal last night.

 

But I'm not blaming Ayoze.

It's clear it hasn't been working for him in that role....And still Rodgers decides to play him there.

 

Rodgers is the one who should be criticized for constantly picking an underperforming player when he have so many other options, both in terms of personnel and systems. 

[moseeds]

I would be surprised if he is still in the starting 11 in the coming season after his enforced rest. Anyone of Praet, Albrighton or Ricardo would guaranteed to do just as well, likely much better. That also opens up space for Soumare/KDH in the central area with Maddison's continued injury problems and Barnes clearly still recovering. I imagine Perez will end up seeing out his contract followed by a free move to Spain, or a cut price deal next season. Cannot see any other Premier League team coming in for him even as a squad player. He knows his time is up hence trying to create a social media persona ready for the next chapter.

[weller54]

49 minutes ago, marbles said:

I’m sure they outright laughed at us when his play led to our FA Cup Final win.

 

His play!!😂😂🤣..

God yes, it was a wonderful piece of skill wasn't it.

[Vestan Pance]

4 minutes ago, weller54 said:

His play!!😂😂🤣..

God yes, it was a wonderful piece of skill wasn't it.

He put it on a plate for Youri, I could have scored it, tap-in😂

[Gearoid]

4 hours ago, filbertway said:

99% of the time its very very obvious, as last nights case is. There clearly was none and the VAR would be able to see that.

 

If they cant tell then they need to pick a different sport to officiate

If you really believe that wasn't a red card then you should pick another sport to watch

[marbles]

1 hour ago, Adrian said:

Jesus it doesn't matter what he does, I hate him so much that I discount any good thing he has ever done because I am right and.....  

Fixed your post for you

[marbles]

oh, nevermind

Edited 24 August 2021 by marbles