Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 3 match ban for a dangerous tackle isn't it?
orangecity23 Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 28 minutes ago, filbertway said: Thought his red was very unlucky last night. It winds me up that even ex pros can't seem to grasp that a player doesn't have 5 seconds to assess the challenge and then pull out if they're not going to make it. Everything does happen in real speed at a split second. I was happy to see Declan Rice saying "I know, I don't think it's a red either" to Perez after the replay came up on the screen. You can't slow a tackle down 10x and then judge the player on that Sky had slowed it down and were frame by framing it like the ****ing zapruder film, before stopping on a frame of Perez looking straight at the floor, then inching it on so he was still looking at the floor, while Neville and Carragher started screeching about him "Having a look at fornals" when he clearly hadn't seen him at all. Meanwhile, cresswell was standing in the background on the grassy knoll having caused the entire thing, and wasn't even mentioned. 3
LVFox Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 Quite telling that he was actually having one of his better matches yesterday until the red....and that still included a poor cross and a shot that confused the commentators as to whether it was a shot or not. Intelligent player, works hard but absolutely zero end product. 2
filbertway Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 5 minutes ago, orangecity23 said: Sky had slowed it down and were frame by framing it like the ****ing zapruder film, before stopping on a frame of Perez looking straight at the floor, then inching it on so he was still looking at the floor, while Neville and Carragher started screeching about him "Having a look at fornals" when he clearly hadn't seen him at all. Meanwhile, cresswell was standing in the background on the grassy knoll having caused the entire thing, and wasn't even mentioned. Haha im glad it qasnt just me that noticed that Neville just made up that Perez was looking at Fornals 1
BWRL Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 No good - go 442 now with iheanacho back on. Not a Perez fan at all will be good to have a break from him in the side, maybe just maybe he'll now put some actual performance in when trying to win a place back
Leicester_Loyal Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 This will carry on until June 2023 when his contract finally expires. He's scored and created not a lot in over 2 years here, he's on decent wages and he routinely ****s the easiest of plays up. We're always up against it trying to make the top 4 when you've got one player who's below the required standard regularly starting every week. He actually played ok last night, but as always with Perez it's one step forward then one step back within a short space of time.
filbertway Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: This will carry on until June 2023 when his contract finally expires. He's scored and created not a lot in over 2 years here, he's on decent wages and he routinely ****s the easiest of plays up. We're always up against it trying to make the top 4 when you've got one player who's below the required standard regularly starting every week. He actually played ok last night, but as always with Perez it's one step forward then one step back within a short space of time. I admire the optimism! This is Leicester - once your feet are under the table you're guaranteed contracts no matter how little use you are to the team Also, can you recount his positive contributions last night? I feel like the bar is now so low that one decent bit of play and through ball to Ricardo now is classed as a good performance haha. Also ignores his god awful shot and cross from 2 promising positions. That's a genuine question as well, I don't know if I'm being unfair on him as I don't recall anything that stood out aside from the bit of quality play for Ricardo's chance. Edited 24 August 2021 by filbertway
Leicester_Loyal Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 3 minutes ago, filbertway said: I admire the optimism! This is Leicester - once your feet are under the table you're guaranteed contracts no matter how little use you are to the team Also, can you recount his positive contributions last night? I feel like the bar is now so low that one decent bit of play and through ball to Ricardo now is classed as a good performance haha. Also ignores his god awful shot and cross from 2 promising positions. That's a genuine question as well, I don't know if I'm being unfair on him as I don't recall anything that stood out aside from the bit of quality play for Ricardo's chance. I'm not a fan (of Perez) and haven't been for about 12 months but I thought he was just the same as anyone else last night, don't think he set the world on fire but thought he was just average in a poor team. I do get your point though and someone after the game yesterday said exactly the same about the bar being so low even creating a chance or having a shot is now considered a decent performance from him. The biggest issue is the lack of pace, full backs know he'll never go past them, it makes it much easier for other teams to defend against us because they know he's gonna look for a pass.
filbertway Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 Just now, Leicester_Loyal said: I'm not a fan (of Perez) and haven't been for about 12 months but I thought he was just the same as anyone else last night, don't think he set the world on fire but thought he was just average in a poor team. I do get your point though and someone after the game yesterday said exactly the same about the bar being so low even creating a chance or having a shot is now considered a decent performance from him. The biggest issue is the lack of pace, full backs know he'll never go past them, it makes it much easier for other teams to defend against us because they know he's gonna look for a pass. Barnes has done next to nothing in the last 2 games as well, so it's hard to knock any player. I suppose the difference is that we're well aware that once Barnes has his match sharpness back, he'll be a game winner for us. No matter how long Perez plays, it's unlikely he'll improve. I don't even knock him now. It's been done to death, everyone knows what Perez is and it's not going to change. He's the same player that Newcastle sold to us. It's squarely on Rodgers at this point. 2
adamkhalifa Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 (edited) Seems to me like BR and Congerton wanted him. The scouts were like, 'nah mate'. Br and Co. went out and grabbed him for 30p, and a pack of Pork scratchings. Shoved him in the back of a Morris Minor, and said we going to see the Ghandi statue. He turns up, scouts get confused. Br and Co. play him because they never wrong. Meanwhile, Rudkin still trying to figure out, where the 30mil went. Edited 24 August 2021 by adamkhalifa
dannythefox Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 Said it before he’s technically a good player but out of 10 times he’ll get the ball taken off him 6 times which isn’t good enough for what we’re trying to achieve. Yes he works hard but over the full season you’d get more out of Albrighton. Rodgers love Perez but it’s his downfall.
Popular Post coolhandfox Posted 24 August 2021 Popular Post Posted 24 August 2021 (edited) Probably get slaughtered for this, but I though he was one of our better players last night until the red., Edited 24 August 2021 by coolhandfox 5
Popular Post Les-TA-Jon Posted 24 August 2021 Popular Post Posted 24 August 2021 2 minutes ago, dannythefox said: Said it before he’s technically a good player but out of 10 times he’ll get the ball taken off him 6 times which isn’t good enough for what we’re trying to achieve. Yes he works hard but over the full season you’d get more out of Albrighton. Rodgers love Perez but it’s his downfall. Is he even a good technician? He's not got a good touch, pass, cross or shot in him. All he ever seems to do is lose the ball, misplace a pass or shot, or foul someone 5
dannythefox Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 4 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said: Is he even a good technician? He's not got a good touch, pass, cross or shot in him. All he ever seems to do is lose the ball, misplace a pass or shot, or foul someone Suppose it’s a matter of opinion but either way I wouldn’t be playing him I don’t rate him and I don’t think he fits our style either.
sacreblueits442 Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 12 hours ago, jmono84 said: He did look to have a few good touches tonight but yet again when it matters he fluffs his chances. The awful cross to the keeper when he had loads of time and the crap shot which he scuffed wide. I know it can happen to any player but with Perez it happens every time he’s in a good position. He was fouled from behind which knocked him forward so I wonder why that wasn’t taken into consideration for his ‘foul’. If I was pushed into someone and knocked him off a cliff would it be my fault or the guy who pushed me? Anyway overall all, before his red he showed how crap he is when it matters. Sign a pissing guy to play on the RW for piss sakes! ...when all is said, at the moment of impact with the opponent, he himself, was not under control and therefore reckless!!! Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he was attempting to shield the ball by placing his left leg in between the ball and the opponent, it is what seems like a lunge, in order to retrieve the situation that has been his downfall in that instance. Perhaps we will never know what was in his mind at the time of the incident, but he gave the referee no other option but to issue the red card.
filbertway Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 1 hour ago, adamkhalifa said: Seems to me like BR and Congerton wanted him. The scouts were like, 'nah mate'. Br and Co. went out and grabbed him for 30p, and a pack of Pork scratchings. Shoved him in the back of a Morris Minor, and said we going to see the Ghandi statue. He turns up, scouts get confused. Br and Co. play him because they never wrong. Meanwhile, Rudkin still trying to figure out, where the 30mil went. This is pretty much how I see it as well. There's no way anyone with sense saw him and thought "that's what we need to improve the starting eleven". 2
weller54 Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 1 hour ago, coolhandfox said: Probably get slaughtered for this, but I though he was one of our better players last night until the red., Well, it wasn't hard to be our best player last night was it!...everyone was totally pathetic and lillylivered!!.. One of the worse displays since..... we last played West Ham!
Popular Post CosbehFox Posted 24 August 2021 Popular Post Posted 24 August 2021 4 hours ago, filbertway said: Thought his red was very unlucky last night. It winds me up that even ex pros can't seem to grasp that a player doesn't have 5 seconds to assess the challenge and then pull out if they're not going to make it. Everything does happen in real speed at a split second. I was happy to see Declan Rice saying "I know, I don't think it's a red either" to Perez after the replay came up on the screen. You can't slow a tackle down 10x and then judge the player on that Throw in Hinchcliffe screaming for it as well. It's a problem I have with VAR in that it shows the refs the offence in slow motion. Perez must have some incredible brain speed to have meant that. Fornals beat him to the ball? Yeah that's what happened. Not a pre-mediated stamp. 5
Stadt Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 1 minute ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Throw in Hinchcliffe screaming for it as well. It's a problem I have with VAR in that it shows the refs the offence in slow motion. Perez must have some incredible brain speed to have meant that. Fornals beat him to the ball? Yeah that's what happened. Not a pre-mediated stamp. As Oliver walked up to the monitor it was showing the frame where Perez had made contact with his leg, ignoring all the context. Doesn't strike me as being very objective. 1
filbertway Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 6 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Throw in Hinchcliffe screaming for it as well. It's a problem I have with VAR in that it shows the refs the offence in slow motion. Perez must have some incredible brain speed to have meant that. Fornals beat him to the ball? Yeah that's what happened. Not a pre-mediated stamp. I found it incredibly weird that Hinchecliife also said something like "i've played the game and you can tell he's meant to do that". I played youth team football as a goalkeeper and know that all Perez is trying to do is shield the ball. 2 minutes ago, Stadt said: As Oliver walked up to the monitor it was showing the frame where Perez had made contact with his leg, ignoring all the context. Doesn't strike me as being very objective. I noticed that, it started with his studs planted on Fornals shin. Then they showed a normal speed one which looked innocuous and then they showed a couple of super slow mo ones. So I have this afternoon someone actually told me the rules of what serious foul play is. To me, it's an issue with extremely vague rules at fault here rather than the referees. It also explains why refs have given so many red cards that I thought were harsh. Quote Serious foul play >A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play. For me the rules need to be updated, I think there has to be a degree of pre-meditation from the offending player for it to be a red card. The punishment shouldn't be outcome based, they should be based on the intent of the player. It's clear as day there to anyone what Perez was attempting to do and he (and Fornals) are unfortunate that Fornals has got their just before him. I'd like to ask Neville why Fornals didn't avoid the challenge if players are able to easily shift their momentum. It seems weird that Fornals would intentionally choose to put his leg in that position knowing he's going to get smashed. The answer is of course that he had decided what he was going to do, just as Perez had done and the whole thing happened in the space of a second. If that had been McTominay, I think Neville's tune would have been a touch different.
CosbehFox Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 Just now, filbertway said: I found it incredibly weird that Hinchecliife also said something like "i've played the game and you can tell he's meant to do that". I played youth team football as a goalkeeper and know that all Perez is trying to do is shield the ball. Exactly - common movement you do to shield the ball. Fornals has beat him to the ball hence the collision. The glance is Perez readying to shield/or contact. You can view whether that's dangerous or whatever but the accusation that it is intentional would have me seething as a player. Sky never mentioned the mitigation of the trip by Cresswell which at half time clear evidence was shown occurring (Oliver never even given coverage of that on the VAR screen); although that's a grey area now with the recent revision about dangerous tackles while the ball is dead (see Martinez/Wilson this weekend - Martinez booked despite the play dead because of offside and Van Dijk/Pickford last season - ball dead, Pickford not punished. ) 1
The_77 Posted 24 August 2021 Posted 24 August 2021 I really don’t like getting in the habit of calling out players but I really can’t see the point of Ayoze as a RW anymore. His offensive/goal contributions have completely dried up. His defensive stats, which are often used to defend his playing style, look impressive at first glance but aren’t enough to justify his starting place. His tackles and interceptions look great against other forwards but they’re not very impressive compared to his number of pressures per 90, that’s a whole lot of running around without much relative product. Albrighton, for example, averages just as many tackles and slightly more interceptions with a lower number of pressures. Ayoze also doesn’t really do much to help us get the ball up the pitch or in attacking areas. We probably have three matches now to try out different ideas for that position. I hope we find something more effective. 1
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