Retirement age

[Grebfromgrebland]

 

 

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, ScouseFox said:

yeah, life’s a bitch then you die. not sure a petition is gonna change that. 

At least a Bitch rides on the Dogs bollocks...

time you lot,come up and started a revolution.....UK anarchy. uk a bunch of shop Keepers with no shops..!!!

[yorkie1999]

42 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Tory ideology is in full swing now.

 

This would give England the highest retirement age in the developed world and the lowest pensions.

 

Not bad for the 5th / 6th largest economy.

 

Where does the money go? It's definitely not on schools, the NHS, hospitals, policing or any of the public services.

 

One thing the UK elite does excel at is putting money in tax havens offshore so that there's no money for us Plebs.

 

There's trillions of pounds held offshore by UK residents. Enough unpaid tax to solve all of our problems.

 

The EU is looking to bring in a law that means secret offshore accounts well have to be named.  The Tories don't want this to happen. They'll make sure we brexit at all costs before this law comes in.

 

They'll screw every single non multi millionaire for the benefit of themselves.

 

Working to age 75 before state pension. Work means freedom? What did it say on the gas chambers which IDS visited? Something very similar. He's literally wanting you to work to death.

If that is true, that could be one of the biggest scandals ever considering the events surrounding brexit. Has it all been one big Tory conspiracy from Cameron announcing it, to a close vote, to the government making it look like they wanted a deal with May as a fall guy, then installing a British bulldog pm who’s now going to lead the way against the nasty eu.

[Guest Kopfkino]

Should be raised (probably not to 75 tho) and the state pension reformed towards more of an insurance/investment system rather than pay as you go (although auto-enrollment and employer contributions is already a great step towards that). 

 

Need less whinging and entitlement from the British public going forward if we're the really address some huge public policy challenges heading our way. Little chance mind. 

[Jattdogg]

Peoples bodies might be living longer but are their brains/ minds really "living longer" in terms of mental sharpness etc?  75? Fcking jokers. I can get 65 to maybe 67 or so but 75 is a joke.  Heck finding a job when your 50 has age discrimination imagine showing up to a stripper job as a 72 year old saggy grandma

[VLC86]

3 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Peoples bodies might be living longer but are their brains/ minds really "living longer" in terms of mental sharpness etc?  75? Fcking jokers. I can get 65 to maybe 67 or so but 75 is a joke.  Heck finding a job when your 50 has age discrimination imagine showing up to a stripper job as a 72 year old saggy grandma

 

[ozleicester]

There will be no jobs in the future as it is.

 

Irrelevant as they will be paying a living wage to sit at home and consume

[Crinklyfox]

Signed.

 

No matter what the think tank comes up with you can't defy the ageing process.  As we get older we become more frail, are ill more frequently, become less able to function as we did in our prime and become less appealing to prospective employers.

 

It's hard enough to get a job in your 50s let alone 60s and 70s.  This is just a way to reduce the benefits paid by the state.  I see no benefit to the older generation (being part of it).

 

I remember seeing a Swedish study many years ago that concluded that every year worked beyond the age of 60 actually reduces your lifespan.  As breathing is my favourite pastime there's no way I'm working in my old age.

[CollinsLCFC]

I understand that they do not want younger generations to depend on SP, however, it iseasy for these politicans and the likes to propose these ideas when they do not work in jobs that require manual labour.  It will be neigh on impossible for a care worker, builder, warehouse workers to carry on what they are doing to such a high age. Will also be extremely difficult for people who have worked almost their entire life in one sector to change career to a less physical job.

 

People need to realise the importance of building their own pension, yes. The WorkPlace pension is a great introduction IMO. However, with this proposal, people will be working and contributing to the state on average for 55-59 years and then perhaps have 5-10 years (if lucky) in retirement before passing on. Hardly rewarding for the hardworking, working class taxpayer.

[Uranyl Yellow]

Just an extension and intensification of the cynical ploy behind the last rise in the pension age. They know full well that the longer people are pushed into working, the sooner they will die and they won't end up having to pay out at all. Not dissimilar from the 'carousel' of Logan's Run - except in Logan's Run at least people have forty enjoyable years before they were terminated.

[Vince Vega]

12 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Tory ideology is in full swing now.

 

This would give England the highest retirement age in the developed world and the lowest pensions.

 

Not bad for the 5th / 6th largest economy.

 

Where does the money go? It's definitely not on schools, the NHS, hospitals, policing or any of the public services.

 

One thing the UK elite does excel at is putting money in tax havens offshore so that there's no money for us Plebs.

 

There's trillions of pounds held offshore by UK residents. Enough unpaid tax to solve all of our problems.

 

The EU is looking to bring in a law that means secret offshore accounts well have to be named.  The Tories don't want this to happen. They'll make sure we brexit at all costs before this law comes in.

 

They'll screw every single non multi millionaire for the benefit of themselves.

 

Working to age 75 before state pension. Work means freedom? What did it say on the gas chambers which IDS visited? Something very similar. He's literally wanting you to work to death.

Sums it up completely.  It's not just offshore though - what with theirs trusts and tax avoidance schemes.    

[CollinsLCFC]

If this really is a possibility, it's all the more reason the Government should abolish 0 hour contracts. It is a way of Employers not having to provide a Workplace pensions and the low/risky income will make it difficult for employees to save for their own provisions and now possibly wont ever get to see a SP.

 

The next generation will only ever hear stories about retirement in history classes. How people could actually enjoy the remainder of their lives work free after their years of contribution.

[Buce]

14 minutes ago, CollinsLCFC said:

If this really is a possibility, it's all the more reason the Government should abolish 0 hour contracts. It is a way of Employers not having to provide a Workplace pensions and the low/risky income will make it difficult for employees to save for their own provisions and now possibly wont ever get to see a SP.

 

The next generation will only ever hear stories about retirement in history classes. How people could actually enjoy the remainder of their lives work free after their years of contribution.

 

That’s up to us - it’s not a fait accompli. 

 

This needs to be remembered at election time. The working class need to wake up and stop voting for our oppressors. 

[Sir Shep]

My job is very physical, I can’t see me being able to do it into my 60’s never mind 75. Also I can’t imagine it’d be easy getting a job when you’re approaching your 70’s unless you’ve got a rare specific skill.  

 

[foxy boxing]

Those with private pensions, ie the wealthy will still be able to retire at sixty, if they raise it to seventy five then a lot of people will be working until they die.

[joachim1965]

4 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

Those with private pensions, ie the wealthy will still be able to retire at sixty, if they raise it to seventy five then a lot of people will be working until they die.

Unfortunately,  that's the plan.

[CollinsLCFC]

49 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

Those with private pensions, ie the wealthy will still be able to retire at sixty, if they raise it to seventy five then a lot of people will be working until they die.

I imagine the people behind these decisions will never dream of waiting to 75 to retire They will be yachting over the Mediterranean, living off their tax haven investments and ISA's. They wont need to bother taking a pension, that will be passed to a beneficiary and outside of IHT.

[Tommo220]

I'd already made my peace with the fact that by the time i get old (if) that there wouldn't be a retirement age/state pension, or one so high that you'll never be in any fit state to enjoy it. thats the ultimate aim of auto enrolment in my view - it'll come to pass in the future that those who auto-enrolled wont be eligible for a Sate Pension. 

 

The annoying thing thing about this as well is that the last group of people to benefit from a decent retirement age will also happen to be the last age group to have benefitted from exponential house price growth too.

 

[BKLFox]

but which party was it that spunk'd the pension pot up the wall in the 1st place & scrapped the dividend tax credit meaning we all had to working longer?

[Spiritwalker]

I'm a little suprised that this has come out now with a GE potentially weeks away.

Surely it's going to be a big vote loser.

[ScouseFox]

9 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said:

I'm a little suprised that this has come out now with a GE potentially weeks away.

Surely it's going to be a big vote loser.

literally everything the tories do should be a big vote user but they still keep winning. i think most the people in this country are cu nts like boris johnson, too tbh 

[VLC86]

It’s madness because in my job we have to assess mortgage applications and say if you do a manual type physical job and you want a mortgage up until the age of 70 we sometimes don’t accept it on the basis that you aren’t going to actually be able to do that at that age.

 

I can’t begin to contemplate having to work for the next 27 years till 60 let alone 72.

[HighPeakFox]

Killing us in gulags or concentration camps is a little too obvious, so they will just work us into our graves instead, only the 'strongest' survive, Fascism by way of economic pressure.

[lildave3]

Thank **** I’ll be long gone by then