Izzy Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 1 minute ago, Manini said: Is it just me who thought Iborra was, mainly, fine? I can understand people being annoyed at Silva and Inler being underwhelming but I’m not sure what people were expecting out of Iborra? He always did a job when I saw him. I liked Iborra but a total of 27 appearances suggests he wasn't exactly a roaring success here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 1 minute ago, Xen said: Just go back one more season and you've got Cambiasso who was incredibly influential for us. Besides, all of those have came in from abroad and had to adapt (Silva under extenuating circumstances). Lallana is tried-and-tested in the PL, English, and has worked with Rodgers before. We know exactly what we're getting with him. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 Very astute signing on a free this, if we make it happen. Potentially Fuchs/Huth-esque 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaspa Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 Decent squad player. Never liked his behaviour against us though; very sly fouls, very mouthy at refs & opposition players, just never liked him for all of it. Technically superb though, would certainly add something to the squad with his experience and skill. He's been mentioned here occasionally over the last year or so, so not at all surprised with the link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 13 minutes ago, ealingfox said: You must have noticed that we've gone from getting the likes of Tielemans, Soyuncu etc in to now prioritising unambitious and limited value domestic transfers such as Perez and then Vestergaard and Ryan Bennett and now Lallana. It's pretty obvious. What's changed in that time? Concerns me too, no player they've brought in has improved us yet taking away Tielemans who the prevoious regime brought in. It seems like the only way we could get Rodgers was for Congerton to follow him here but Macia was high profile with contacts in Europe to enable these type of signings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose2010 Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 5 minutes ago, ealingfox said: You must have noticed that we've gone from getting the likes of Tielemans, Soyuncu etc in to now prioritising unambitious and limited value domestic transfers such as Perez and then Vestergaard and Ryan Bennett and now Lallana. It's pretty obvious. What's changed in that time? Perez is fine he is apart of team that is 3rd in the league and having our second best EVER season. Bennett hasnt even kicked a ball yet and Vestergaard isnt even our player - it doesnt matter if we were 'linked' with him he didnt sign for us. Our squad lacks experience in big games and picking someone up on a free transfer that has as much as Lallana has is an absolute no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manini Posted 19 February 2020 Author Share Posted 19 February 2020 4 minutes ago, Izzy said: I liked Iborra but a total of 27 appearances suggests he wasn't exactly a roaring success here No by no means was he - but he wasn’t a complete waste of time either. I wouldn’t necessarily class him as flops like the other two is I think what I’m trying to say. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 If he can be fit for a whole season, it isn't something stupid like a 5 year contract and he takes a pay-cut then sure. Otherwise, I just see this going wrong. Another constantly injured player we will have to pay until their contract runs out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywood_6 Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 He'd be a good player to sign on a free transfer. He fits into the way we play. Liverpool signed him because his footwork is brilliant and he's got the ability to unlock a defence. Plus he scores a few. Still got a few years left in him i think. You need a few experienced players in the squad who can contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manini Posted 19 February 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted 19 February 2020 1 minute ago, Jaspa said: Decent squad player. Never liked his behaviour against us though; very sly fouls, very mouthy at refs & opposition players, just never liked him for all of it. Technically superb though, would certainly add something to the squad with his experience and skill. We could do with more of this in our team IMO. Stop us being completely passive. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jeffschlupp Posted 19 February 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 19 February 2020 7 minutes ago, ealingfox said: You must have noticed that we've gone from getting the likes of Tielemans, Soyuncu etc in to now prioritising unambitious and limited value domestic transfers such as Perez and then Vestergaard and Ryan Bennett and now Lallana. It's pretty obvious. What's changed in that time? Arguments like this really do irritate me. Vestergaard didn't sign. Bennett is a stopgap CB to allow Benkovic out on loan - they obviously wanted Demiral if they wanted to chuck big cash at a CB. Perez was signed before Dennis Praet, who definitely wasn't signed from an English club. Lallana was touted as England's best player before his injuries a couple of years ago. A 32 year old that would be a very good cover option for Maddison is not a signing to worry about. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 5 minutes ago, ealingfox said: You must have noticed that we've gone from getting the likes of Tielemans, Soyuncu etc in to now prioritising unambitious and limited value domestic transfers such as Perez and then Vestergaard and Ryan Bennett and now Lallana. It's pretty obvious. What's changed in that time? I see the argument, but several names are missing from the list, such as Benkovic, Praet, JJ, players that not like the three you listed. Soyuncu is another that is different, now he is amazing, yet last year he was viewed as a waste, possibly more than Benkovic. Not keen on some of the names being mentioned, yet rarely do they zero merits. Cannot believe Top, Rudkin and the rest just hand over the purse strings to Congerton without restraint, especially with the previous successes mentioned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 People acting like he is going to be starting for us every week With Champions League football we need depth and experience, someone to come in against the weaker teams so Maddison can have a rest Do people really think we can do what Man City do and just go out and throw a load of money at players that will sit on the bench? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 Bit unsure about this to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastAnglianFox Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 1 minute ago, Manini said: We could do with more of this in our team IMO. Stop us being completely passive. Was literally about to say this We haven't had a mouthy, nasty little bugger on the pitch for far to long. Hence why we get bullied most weeks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copunk Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 A signing like this makes all the sense in the world, would be a cracking squad player and if we are to make europe then we are gonna need the right strength in depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose2010 Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 9 minutes ago, moore_94 said: People acting like he is going to be starting for us every week With Champions League football we need depth and experience, someone to come in against the weaker teams so Maddison can have a rest Do people really think we can do what Man City do and just go out and throw a load of money at players that will sit on the bench? I honestly think a lot of people do think this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 (edited) My point is that if, as said, Rodgers refuses to operate without Congerton, who does not have a good track record, at the club, then alarm bells should be ringing. We have already begun to see the limitations to Rodgers' management and yes while he is a good manager, I wouldn't say we have won the lottery with him and he's the best manager we could possibly hope to get. Therefore, we shouldn't be afraid of making a change if its needed. Edited 19 February 2020 by ealingfox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 11 minutes ago, ealingfox said: You must have noticed that we've gone from getting the likes of Tielemans, Soyuncu etc in to now prioritising unambitious and limited value domestic transfers such as Perez and then Vestergaard and Ryan Bennett and now Lallana. It's pretty obvious. What's changed in that time? Come on mate we were also very heavily linked with Demiral from Juve in January - rumoured to have made a bid. The Lallana deal is the other side of the spectrum and much needed approach for a club on a budget trying to compete on national and European level (as we hope to be next year). You need a squad with experience alongside young talent. That lack of experience has at times shown this season (think big games, villa away etc.). Lallana is obviously a player Brendan trusts and who he sees as someone that can help the dressing room. Our European experience is at the moment limited to Kasper, Vardy, Albrighton having one season in a champions league campaign with no pressure on the league. The Bennett deal was certainly not our first choice but because other deals didn’t come through, we backed ourselves with an experienced steady hand which didn’t break the bank - I think that’s quite sensible. The club have done well in the last few years and Top is not going to just let us change a format he and his late father before him, trusted so much. Congerton is a cog in a very large system - anything he or those around him do I am pretty sure will get Top’s overview and sign off. However, like every other club in the world, our transfer business will throw up errors - are we going to blame Congerton for each and everyone of them? This is a sensible step to add experience to what is a relatively inexperience team aiming to embark on a new European adventure. We need experience and we cannot compete with the larger clubs and bring in 25 year old superstar but we can counteract this with good players who can chat to your Maddison’s and tielemans about what they should be doing in certain situations. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 11 minutes ago, moore_94 said: People acting like he is going to be starting for us every week With Champions League football we need depth and experience, someone to come in against the weaker teams so Maddison can have a rest Do people really think we can do what Man City do and just go out and throw a load of money at players that will sit on the bench? Wouldn't a better way to do this be to sign players who are better than what we have and put the current ones on the bench? Who said anything about throwing money at the bench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manini Posted 19 February 2020 Author Share Posted 19 February 2020 5 minutes ago, copunk said: A signing like this makes all the sense in the world, would be a cracking squad player and if we are to make europe then we are gonna need the right strength in depth I think this is also overlooked. If we’re going to be playing in Europe we need some options with CL/EL experience. Not every singing has to be a show stopper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manini Posted 19 February 2020 Author Share Posted 19 February 2020 14 minutes ago, EastAnglianFox said: Was literally about to say this We haven't had a mouthy, nasty little bugger on the pitch for far to long. Hence why we get bullied most weeks It’s true. We’re far too soft, countless times this season I’ve just wished we’d properly shithouse a team and get in to their heads but we’re just incapable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokinghamfox Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 44 minutes ago, ealingfox said: Ffs. No ambition whatsoever. If we allow him to Congerton is going to see us go the same way as Sunderland and Hamburg. Lallana on a free. Its a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkerleeds Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 Seems like a bit of a **** but I'd take him on a free. Probably need an experienced pro to help our young midfielders out too to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriderHiryu Posted 19 February 2020 Share Posted 19 February 2020 12 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said: He'd be a good player to sign on a free transfer. He fits into the way we play. Liverpool signed him because his footwork is brilliant and he's got the ability to unlock a defence. Plus he scores a few. Still got a few years left in him i think. You need a few experienced players in the squad who can contribute. These are my thoughts too. Plus he's worked with Brendan Rodgers before, who got the best out of him. Might even help Maddison improve some aspects of his game with his experience too. Negatives are his age, his wage demands, lack of resale value and that he's a bit injury prone. But you could have labelled all of those things at the last player over 30 we signed - Jonny Evans, who is arguably our player of the season thus far. If he comes on a two year deal on reasonable wages / sign on fee then it seems like a sensible move. I'd imagine the total deal could be somewhere around the 15m mark; that's inclusive of signing on fee plus wages for two whole seasons. If you look at it that way, that's good business considering to sign a similar player it might cost 15m without taking into account a signing on fee or wages (though a younger player does have resale value). At the end of the day it's a way to boost the depth of the squad without spending crazy amounts of money. I would imagine bigger bucks will be spent on more forward players in the summer, and we want to make sure we have the money available to do that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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