ACL injuries.

[NewquayFox]

Following on from Ricardo’s nasty injury and operation, I wondered who was the last City player to suffer from this, and how long did the recovery take and how well did they Play after it...

[AllGoneTitsSchlupp]

i think matty james did his acl didnt he

[NewquayFox]

1 minute ago, AllGoneTitsSchlupp said:

i think matty james did his acl didnt he

Oh crikey, that hasn’t gone too well really...

[Spudulike]

12 minutes ago, NewquayFox said:

Following on from Ricardo’s nasty injury and operation, I wondered who was the last City player to suffer from this, and how long did the recovery take and how well did they Play after it...

I'm not a medical expert but I think it was reported as a 'strain' rather than a rupture or tear. Perhaps not as serious as the likes of Matty James hence why is was able to complete the Villa match. 

 

Do we know that he's had an operation? 

[NewquayFox]

1 minute ago, Spudulike said:

I'm not a medical expert but I think it was reported as a 'strain' rather than a rupture or tear. Perhaps not as serious as the likes of Matty James hence why is was able to complete the Villa match. 

 

Do we know that he's had an operation? 

That’s why I asked the question, no reports on an op..

[CosbehFox]

Ricardo isn't having an operation - not always needed. I suspect the club looked at the time between now and the end of the season (which appeared to be the case post Villa) decided no need. 

[goose2010]

depends how serious it is and how it reacts. 

 

 

[Bert]

55 minutes ago, NewquayFox said:

Oh crikey, that hasn’t gone too well really...

Gareth Williams never really recovered all that well from his either. 

[NewquayFox]

2 hours ago, Bert said:

Gareth Williams never really recovered all that well from his either. 

So unfortunately the last 2 City players who suffered from a similar injury to Ricardo never got back to full fitness, hope he bucks the trend... 

[Stadt]

1 minute ago, NewquayFox said:

So unfortunately the last 2 City players who suffered from a similar injury to Ricardo never got back to full fitness, hope he bucks the trend... 

James is clearly very prone to injury and Williams played for us about 15 years ago. Ricardo's injury is less severe and we have an excellent, modern medical team so the impact isn't going to be the same.

[Detroit Blues]

3 hours ago, Spudulike said:

I'm not a medical expert but I think it was reported as a 'strain' rather than a rupture or tear. Perhaps not as serious as the likes of Matty James hence why is was able to complete the Villa match. 

 

Do we know that he's had an operation? 

I think the fact that he was able to play likely means that it was a lower grade injury than a complete rupture. 

 

I would hesitate to put this injury in the same category as Matty James. When you rupture your ACL, you use a cadaver tendon to replace the ruptured tendon, and the recovery time is 6-9 months minimum.

 

I would expect he would be back to rehab and training in the summer. The concern is that he will have lost some mobility and strength in his knee, and he will be more susceptible to re-injurying it again.

 

The good news is, maybe this will scare potential suitors to going after him in the transfer market

 

 

 

 

[nnfox]

4 minutes ago, Detroit Blues said:

I think the fact that he was able to play likely means that it was a lower grade injury than a complete rupture. 

 

I would hesitate to put this injury in the same category as Matty James. When you rupture your ACL, you use a cadaver tendon to replace the ruptured tendon, and the recovery time is 6-9 months minimum.

 

I would expect he would be back to rehab and training in the summer. The concern is that he will have lost some mobility and strength in his knee, and he will be more susceptible to re-injurying it again.

 

The good news is, maybe this will scare potential suitors to going after him in the transfer market

 

 

 

 

When I did mine they used part of my hamstring to replace it.

 

It took me 16 months to get back to full fitness but they wouldn't operate for 6 months so I could build the strength in other muscles around the knee which apparently aids post op recovery.  Even after the op, it still took the best part of a year to be back to what was considered full fitness.

 

As others have said, it sounds like Ricardo's isn't as serious.  Even if it were, his recovery would likely be much quicker than mine as they would operate sooner and he would have far more intensive physio.  He is also a super fit, professional, elite athlete who lives for fitness and I, to be honest, am not.

[Jaspa]

Matty James came in from Man U with it being mentioned about his knee but I think he actually did his other one here(last game of 14/15 season against QPR?) horrifically when he turned to track a runner off the wing and just crumpled into a heap on the floor in our box, didn't see him for another year and a half. I think he was particularly susceptible because of his playstyle, he pivots on his joints quite alot hunkering over the ball and he is and was quite a barrel chested lad so was abit erm, top heavy.

 

Think Gareth Williams did his ACL with Watford not long after joining them in the Prem. He was a just above average player really, scored a couple of decent goals and kept it ticking over for us, mid-table Championship, maybe he was stiffled playing with Tiatto/Steven Hughes/that absolute plodder we brought in from WBA(Johnson?), our only decent midfielders during that whole bleak era were Joey Gudjonsson and Steven Clemence the week he wasn't injured.

 

Anyway it depends on the severity of the injury, our medical team and the player's natural propensity to recover. Given Ricky was able to carry on and only noticed the next day indicates it's not a catastrophic injury for him but the right steps have to be taken for him to recover.

 

My Uncle said(he probably knows nowt about this in truth) back when we were in the Championship battling with Burnley for top spot and they lost Vokes & Ings to ACL's that the training ground pitches at some Clubs were too harsh and that's why you'd see them pick up these injuries more often. If we've only picked up 2 in over a dozen years you have to feel quite confident really.

[DerbyshireFox]

Remember James doing his against Southampton during the great escape. Sat three rows behind the goal to the right and you could hear the scream of agony when he did it. Was horrible. It sounds like Ricky P is not as bad (touch wood). Completed the game. You wouldn’t have known anything was amiss until the reports last week

[mikey_b]

i strained my ACL before, was out of football for 3 months no operation required just rest, never had any pains from it again

 

i didn't realise i had done it until a number of hours after i had finished playing once my body cooled down

[Vlad the Fox]

I strained my knee ligaments a couple of times when playing and the pain was bad, that was just a mild strain that kept me out for a few weeks as well.

 

Worst pain I felt though was dislocating my knee, 30 seconds of complete agony rolling round on the floor gripping the separated joint until it somehow popped back in and like a switch the pain disappeared and I carried on  

[Father Ted]

4 hours ago, Bert said:

Gareth Williams never really recovered all that well from his either. 

You can add Levi Porter to the list too

[Spudulike]

Didn't Walshie have something similar and he came back to score the winner in a play off final and lift the League Cup. 

[dayday]

Darren Eadie?

[when_you're_smiling]

Wasn’t one of Kaputska’s injuries an ACL, albeit sustained while on loan?

[The Guvnor]

I think Matty had a ruptured Achilles. And has been unlucky with recurring problems.

 

 

[Sly]

Maddison strained / damaged his in the season before we purchased him from Norwich. He was out for 10ish weeks. It’ll be a similar level to that.

[Sly]

Lots of people recover from them as well. Keane, Zlatan, Shearer, Van Nistolrooy, Zouma, Gascoigne, Totti, Zouma, Gundogon, 

[car1os]

I’m sure he has strained it or had a partial tear. He would not have been able to complete the game if it was fully ruptured as the injury causes bleeding into the joint (hence it swells rapidly) and people generally feel a pop at the time. Hope he gets back for the start of next season, after Ndidi he’s the player we’d miss most 

[car1os]

5 hours ago, Vlad the Fox said:

Worst pain I felt though was dislocating my knee, 30 seconds of complete agony rolling round on the floor gripping the separated joint until it somehow popped back in and like a switch the pain disappeared and I carried on  

Sorry about this post... I imagine you dislocated your kneecap (patella) as opposed to the actual knee? Patella dislocations are very painful, but pain-free once put back in joint. Never happened to me but had to put one back in joint when a colleague fell awkwardly in front of me, looked like agony!!  

A dislocated knee usually results in multi-ligament injury (ACL, PCL, and LCL/MCL/posterolateral corner) which may require multiple operations to reconstruct. Not something you can run off...