Fightforever Posted 22 February 2021 Share Posted 22 February 2021 1 minute ago, Facecloth said: The polls that would have any effect on won't be out yet I wouldn't have thought. It's been common knowledge that the contracts were dodgy for months now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 22 February 2021 Share Posted 22 February 2021 Just now, Fightforever said: It's been common knowledge that the contracts were dodgy for months now. But we've only just had the first confirmation that they broke the law in doing so, previously it was just talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fightforever Posted 22 February 2021 Share Posted 22 February 2021 1 minute ago, Facecloth said: But we've only just had the first confirmation that they broke the law in doing so, previously it was just talk. Lets hope there is change then in the next round of polls although to be honest I am not very confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 22 February 2021 Share Posted 22 February 2021 Just now, Fightforever said: Lets hope there is change then in the next round of polls although to be honest I am not very confident. Me neither. People don't care if what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 22 February 2021 Share Posted 22 February 2021 Talking of polls 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Voll Blau Posted 22 February 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 22 February 2021 21 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Me neither. People don't care if what they do. Sadly that's quite right. And, while I think Starmer's failure to call for Hancock's resignation when prompted yesterday was fvcking weak and borderline disgusting (it's your job Keir FFS - if you don't do it no-one else will!), he probably chose to do so because of precisely that. We've got the government we deserve, and it's pretty sad that in this country we don't believe we deserve better than people like Hancock. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 22 February 2021 Share Posted 22 February 2021 47 minutes ago, Fightforever said: Lets hope there is change then in the next round of polls although to be honest I am not very confident. 46 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Me neither. People don't care if what they do. The last poll saw Kieth's mob gain a point on the Tories so maybe the tide is turning. But we're so far from a GE that polls aren't hugely relevant right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunge Posted 22 February 2021 Share Posted 22 February 2021 For fear of this ending up being a hill I unwittingly die upon, I’m not willing to convict Mr. Hancock just yet. In particular, I have questions I’d like the answer to: 1. Were these contracts awarded to his friends over other reasonable options? Did other reasonable tenders lose out because of this, or was it a case of trying to get as many PPE/vials from wherever he could and, e.g., his friend told him he could adjust a manufacturing process to make them? 2. Did his friend(s) deliver on said contract(s)? If not, did they still receive some sort of payment for them? 3. If the above two are fine, did his friend(s) get “overpaid”? 4. Did Hancock personally get anything tangible in return? I agree it should all be reviewed and investigated, but I haven’t seen anything so far that says his actions were unreasonable, considering the government were, at the time, trying to get hold of all the equipment they could for both PPE and testing in a time of national emergency and didn’t want to advertise to every shyster in the world that they were desperate. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 22 February 2021 Share Posted 22 February 2021 46 minutes ago, Dunge said: For fear of this ending up being a hill I unwittingly die upon, I’m not willing to convict Mr. Hancock just yet. In particular, I have questions I’d like the answer to: 1. Were these contracts awarded to his friends over other reasonable options? Did other reasonable tenders lose out because of this, or was it a case of trying to get as many PPE/vials from wherever he could and, e.g., his friend told him he could adjust a manufacturing process to make them? 2. Did his friend(s) deliver on said contract(s)? If not, did they still receive some sort of payment for them? 3. If the above two are fine, did his friend(s) get “overpaid”? 4. Did Hancock personally get anything tangible in return? I agree it should all be reviewed and investigated, but I haven’t seen anything so far that says his actions were unreasonable, considering the government were, at the time, trying to get hold of all the equipment they could for both PPE and testing in a time of national emergency and didn’t want to advertise to every shyster in the world that they were desperate. I think this is fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buce Posted 22 February 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 22 February 2021 2 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: The last poll saw Kieth's mob gain a point on the Tories so maybe the tide is turning. But we're so far from a GE that polls aren't hugely relevant right now. They were relevant enough for you to spam the last two pages with them On 21/02/2021 at 02:22, UpTheLeagueFox said: Latest poll: Sir Keith closing the gap On 14/02/2021 at 20:16, UpTheLeagueFox said: Conservatives have leads in the last 11 opinion polls since Labour led by 4pts on Jan 28. In fact that was the only one in the past 17 where the Tories weren't in front. Of course we're a long, long way from the next GE but you'd be concerned at Labour HQ not to be more popular after the Govt's handling of the pandemic. Also... On 18/02/2021 at 22:41, UpTheLeagueFox said: Would Labour have been better off sticking with Corbyn rather than bringing in Sir Keith? 1 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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peach0000 Posted 22 February 2021 Share Posted 22 February 2021 34 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: Polls like this just make me feel so out of touch with the general population. I honestly can't understand how anyone is still answering Johnson to that question after the last twelve months. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 23 February 2021 Share Posted 23 February 2021 (edited) It’s disappointing that the tender/mates debate has become party political - one of the benefactors is a Labour peer for example. The public should be keen to know how their money has been spent - there’s no doubting, we are going to be paying for the spending related to COVID and therefore it’s pivotal that it’s investigated whether a) better value could have gained competitively b) achieved at the same pace. It’s worth noting that at least one of the contracts failed - they bought PPE equipment what was considered not good enough and spent extraordinary amounts of public money for something which spent months lying in a warehouse in Daventry. Alongside this there is still the government’s use of consultants which has largely dogged the Track and Trace effort. When they finally trusted the folk with the expertise on the ground, the NHS trusts and GPs have excelled themselves on the vaccination programme Edited 23 February 2021 by Cardiff_Fox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 23 February 2021 Share Posted 23 February 2021 22 hours ago, peach0000 said: Polls like this just make me feel so out of touch with the general population. I honestly can't understand how anyone is still answering Johnson to that question after the last twelve months. You won't enjoy this latest one then... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 24 February 2021 Author Share Posted 24 February 2021 https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/spineless-starmer This did make me chuckle tbf The money is going to a food bank charity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fightforever Posted 24 February 2021 Share Posted 24 February 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: You won't enjoy this latest one then... What did I say? Simple fact is if it means having less migrants people will sell their soul to the tories. I don't know how they can possibly damage their image any futher people will vote for them no matter what. Edited 24 February 2021 by Fightforever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Guiza Posted 24 February 2021 Share Posted 24 February 2021 I think one, of many, issues that will prevent a Labour majority is that there is nothing to split the Tory vote. Some more left learning Tory voters, or environmentally conscious etc, may vote LibDem but that's about it. Particularly since the implosion of UKIP and the the Brexit Retirement Fund Party become redundant. Labour however have to contend with LibDem, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru etc. It also doesn't help that it's been somewhat lose lose for any opposition during a global pandemic. If they back the Government then they look spineless and if they go against then they could be seen to be disruptive and uncooperative. If we fall into a third summer of love, I'm taking the second as the 90s, post lockdown then the Tories will still be riding that wave into the next election. If Brexit continues to stall and the economy and jobs have a slower than expected turnaround time then it may be a different story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 24 February 2021 Share Posted 24 February 2021 The government are looking good because of the vaccine rollout and people want an end to the lockdowns and getting the vaccine out there seems like the best way to do that so the government is getting credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 24 February 2021 Share Posted 24 February 2021 1 hour ago, Fightforever said: What did I say? Simple fact is if it means having less migrants people will sell their soul to the tories. I don't know how they can possibly damage their image any futher people will vote for them no matter what. They will vote for them when the alternative is not credible, Labour are still building that credibility after recently being found to be institutionally anti-Semitic. I don’t see you or any left leaning poster showing any shame in voting for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fightforever Posted 24 February 2021 Share Posted 24 February 2021 29 minutes ago, Strokes said: They will vote for them when the alternative is not credible, Labour are still building that credibility after recently being found to be institutionally anti-Semitic. I don’t see you or any left leaning poster showing any shame in voting for that. Do you feel any shame for voting for the Tories after the Islamophobia scandal then? I doubt it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretPro Posted 24 February 2021 Share Posted 24 February 2021 1 hour ago, Strokes said: They will vote for them when the alternative is not credible, Labour are still building that credibility after recently being found to be institutionally anti-Semitic. I don’t see you or any left leaning poster showing any shame in voting for that. Christ we've been over this. Did Corbyn make such direct racists comments as 'Watermelon smiles', 'letterboxes' or any homophobic comments about 'bumboys'? No. Tories who keep going on about the anti-semetic thing are complete and utter hypocrites. Their ACTUAL leader, the ACTUAL PRIME MINISTER has been proven to be outwardly racists...but, but, but... There were clearly some issues with antisemitism in the Labour party, but meanwhile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 24 February 2021 Share Posted 24 February 2021 1 hour ago, Strokes said: They will vote for them when the alternative is not credible, Labour are still building that credibility after recently being found to be institutionally anti-Semitic. I don’t see you or any left leaning poster showing any shame in voting for that. Probably best not to make this particular point when we're under the leadership of the biggest walking dog whistle of a politician I can personally remember. I see labour making efforts to address it, I don't see the Tories addressing their racism problem. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 24 February 2021 Share Posted 24 February 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Probably best not to make this particular point when we're under the leadership of the biggest walking dog whistle of a politician I can personally remember. I see labour making efforts to address it, I don't see the Tories addressing their racism problem. I don’t disagree but I’ve said that I’m personally impressed with Starmer and would consider voting Labour at present. 52 minutes ago, SecretPro said: Christ we've been over this. Did Corbyn make such direct racists comments as 'Watermelon smiles', 'letterboxes' or any homophobic comments about 'bumboys'? No. Tories who keep going on about the anti-semetic thing are complete and utter hypocrites. Their ACTUAL leader, the ACTUAL PRIME MINISTER has been proven to be outwardly racists...but, but, but... There were clearly some issues with antisemitism in the Labour party, but meanwhile Oh so long as it’s not direct racism and is only on mainly white folk it’s fine then. Also I thought you guys didn’t like whataboutery....... 1 hour ago, Fightforever said: Do you feel any shame for voting for the Tories after the Islamophobia scandal then? I doubt it. I’m not the one complaining how people are morally voting for one side, but then failing to look in the mirror though am I? Edited 24 February 2021 by Strokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Posted 24 February 2021 Share Posted 24 February 2021 (edited) https://canex.co.uk/labour-leader-sir-keir-starmer-is-against-cannabis-decriminalisation/ Labour Leader Sir Keir Starmer Is Against Cannabis Decriminalisation Honestly Keir Starmer is such a shit opposition. To me he is just a diet can of Tory. No real opposition. No real or interesting policies. Just overall shit. Edited 24 February 2021 by Christoph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 24 February 2021 Share Posted 24 February 2021 7 minutes ago, Christoph said: https://canex.co.uk/labour-leader-sir-keir-starmer-is-against-cannabis-decriminalisation/ Labour Leader Sir Keir Starmer Is Against Cannabis Decriminalisation Honestly Keir Starmer is such a shit opposition. To me he is just a diet can of Tory. No real opposition. No real or interesting policies. Just overall shit. Belongs in the things I can't get my head around thread. Baffling position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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