Coronavirus Thread

[Innovindil]

 

It is understood that one of the biggest limitations is hiring enough qualified people to carry out the tests. 

 

This has become a particular issue as academics and post-graduate students have returned to their usual roles. Labs have been unable to offer academic staff contracts. More experienced staff have had to go back to their institutions.

 

This has led to Prime Minister Boris Johnson writing letters to universities asking them to lend their staff and students for a little longer. It's not clear how many, if any, have agreed to this.

 

In order to process more tests, labs will need more space, machines and people. This is happening, but it seems not fast enough to keep up with demand.

 

Lab capacity is being increased. A sixth mega-lab in Newport is in the process of opening. A seventh near Loughborough will follow suit in the coming weeks.

 

So it's a classic case of demand outstripping supply. With the added nugget being we don't have enough qualified people available to man the capacity we do have. Past time to make the recommendations clear on who should be going for tests and not just letting any hypochondriac have one because they were curious I guess. 

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

The number of those bus deaths’  is very small and not statistically material 

 

a month ago we were seeing single figure daily deaths across the whole of Europe 

How many people do you believe are dying pure and simply just of COVID? With no other underlying health issues....

[Leicester_Loyal]

2 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

I’m sure it’s already been covered but I can’t be arsed to read pages of bickering. Sounds like a 2 week national lockdown is on its way.

It's getting worse by the day, I just can't get my head around another lockdown.

 

I can only imagine those who are in favour of another lockdown must either be working or get furlough pay, that might change come the end of October, when I think some of these people might change their mind. Businesses and lives have been ruined over this, some continue to be, and we have 10 people dying a day. 400 or so die of heart disease, yet we sit there and eat shit and drink alcohol every day of our lives.

 

[yorkie1999]

2 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

I’m sure it’s already been covered but I can’t be arsed to read pages of bickering. Sounds like a 2 week national lockdown is on its way.

Seems pretty certain as this is what the government/media have been doing since day one. Leek to the press, press announce it, government denies it, test the water and get everyone used to the idea, government implements it. Pub curfew at 10pm...wtf difference is that going to make, people will just go out an hour earlier.

[Leicester_Loyal]

7 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Seems pretty certain as this is what the government/media have been doing since day one. Leek to the press, press announce it, government denies it, test the water and get everyone used to the idea, government implements it. Pub curfew at 10pm...wtf difference is that going to make, people will just go out an hour earlier.

Surely they won't do this again, forcing businesses to close again just for 14 days.

 

There goes my chance of a beer at the end of the month if so, guess I'll just stay in then work another 13 days on the bounce

[MonmoreStef]

2 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Surely they won't do this again, forcing businesses to close again just for 14 days.

 

There goes my chance of a beer at the end of the month if so, guess I'll just stay in then work another 13 days on the bounce

The whole saga is just getting so deflating now.  

[filbertway]

No chance of a 2nd national lock down. If we do, then it sends a strong message that if we don't find a vaccine, the government is going to keep us like this for an indefinite period of time.

 

If that happens then there will be a civil war/revolt because the way things are, isn't really a life worth living long term.

[Costock_Fox]

20 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Surely they won't do this again, forcing businesses to close again just for 14 days.

 

There goes my chance of a beer at the end of the month if so, guess I'll just stay in then work another 13 days on the bounce

I’d presume it would mean curfews etc like others have said rather than every business shuts.

[moore_94]

Just lovely

 

 

[Nalis]

A second lockdown wouldnt really be the same as the first though would it? For economic reasons anyway.

 

It would means only one household can socialise but everything else would stay open, including pubs and restaurants.

[Nalis]

Think putting added restrictions out there is pointless when kids are back at school as they can be superspreaders when they return back to their families. Reckon if we did an April style lockdown with the exception of schools then cases would continue to rise anyway.

 

Think we either close schools (not a good idea for poorer families) or accept the cases will rise.

Edited 17 September 2020 by Nalis

[filbertway]

6 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Think putting added restrictions out there is pointless when kids are back at school as they can be superspreaders when they return back to their families. Reckon if we did an April style lockdown with the exception of schools then cases would continue to rise.

 

Think we either close schools (not a good idea for poorer families) or accept the cases will rise.

I agree, I don't think it's a coincidence that since the schools re-opened that cases have risen. 

Edited 17 September 2020 by filbertway

[Leicester_Loyal]

6 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

I’d presume it would mean curfews etc like others have said rather than every business shuts.

 

6 minutes ago, Nalis said:

A second lockdown wouldnt really be the same as the first though would it? For economic reasons anyway.

 

It would means only one household can socialise but everything else would stay open, including pubs and restaurants.

If it's the case with one household allowed only then it's purely to try and stop friends meeting up by the looks of it.

 

I imagine younger people (and also some older) will just go round to someones house and booze, or they'll just break the rules in the pub and mix.

 

I genuinely think this Government hasn't a clue what they're doing, I gave them the benefit of the doubt at the start and supported them but I can't see how living like this is sustainable in the long term. They must be really confident of a vaccine within the next few months (which is a possibility and they'll know a lot more about it than me)

[Leicester_Loyal]

8 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Think putting added restrictions out there is pointless when kids are back at school as they can be superspreaders when they return back to their families. Reckon if we did an April style lockdown with the exception of schools then cases would continue to rise.

 

Think we either close schools (not a good idea for poorer families) or accept the cases will rise.

 

1 minute ago, filbertway said:

I agree, I don't think it's a coincidence that since the schools re-opened that cases have risen. 

It was obvious they were going to rise, even if we shut the majority of stuff, purely having schools and unis open will mean this virus still spreads easily.

Edited 17 September 2020 by Leicester_Loyal

[filbertway]

3 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

If it's the case with one household allowed only then it's purely to try and stop friends meeting up by the looks of it.

 

I imagine younger people (and also some older) will just go round to someones house and booze, or they'll just break the rules in the pub and mix.

 

I genuinely think this Government hasn't a clue what they're doing, I gave them the benefit of the doubt at the start and supported them but I can't see how living like this is sustainable in the long term. They must be really confident of a vaccine within the next few months (which is a possibility and they'll know a lot more about it than me)

This is my main thought and seems to make sense. The problem is, Boris starts talks about spending loads and having testing at an incredible level for next year and it makes me think that they actually haven't got a plan at all and are just making it up on an almost daily basis.

 

People are going to be less and less willing to conform as time passes. Eventually the government will have to remove measures or decide they're going to get very draconian and start filling the prisons.

[yorkie1999]

14 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Just lovely

 

 

But surely that's a good thing isn't it as it means that test and trace is working in identifying positive results which is the whole point. If the figure was zero it would mean one of two things, either no-one has the virus, which we know wouldn't be true or, the system isn't any good. The amount of people who catch the virus doesn't mean anything, the important thing is how many people die from it.

[joachim1965]

1 hour ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

How many people do you believe are dying pure and simply just of COVID? With no other underlying health issues....

If the deaths purely from covid were published there would be nothing to report.

The pandemic was over a while back, all the hysteria now is over cases, and they are using an unreliable test. This will never be over whilst we carry on like we are.

 

[CosbehFox]

The same Sky article which has claimed about a national lockdown, also has its source saying that SAGE think there’s 38k new cases a day occurring 

 

 

Edited 17 September 2020 by Cardiff_Fox

[joachim1965]

6 minutes ago, filbertway said:

This is my main thought and seems to make sense. The problem is, Boris starts talks about spending loads and having testing at an incredible level for next year and it makes me think that they actually haven't got a plan at all and are just making it up on an almost daily basis.

 

People are going to be less and less willing to conform as time passes. Eventually the government will have to remove measures or decide they're going to get very draconian and start filling the prisons.

If you test the whole population with a pcr test the positive tests will be off the scale and the reaction of government would be horrendous, we would all be locked down indefinitely.

[Leicester_Loyal]

16 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

The same Sky article which has claimed about a national lockdown, also has its source saying that SAGE think there’s 38k new cases a day occurring 

 

 

Someone (journalist I think?) stuck that on Twitter this morning then confirmed that Chris Whitty never said that at all, it's just causing mass panic and the media will carry on doing it for months, they're loving it.

[leicsmac]

Well, folks, it could be worse - could be stateside and have the administration undermining pretty much everything the science folks say about it all for the purpose of being re-elected - with all the accompanying fun and games.

 

(Apart from the contributors we have who *are*' stateside right now, of course.)

[ealingfox]

34 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Someone (journalist I think?) stuck that on Twitter this morning then confirmed that Chris Whitty never said that at all, it's just causing mass panic and the media will carry on doing it for months, they're loving it.

 

 

Yep, but up long enough for the poor bloke (Whitty that is) to get an absolute onslaught of abuse from the right. Very depressing.

Edited 17 September 2020 by ealingfox

[Costock_Fox]

2 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

 

Yep, but up long enough for the poor bloke (Whitty that is) to get an absolute onslaught of abuse from the right. Very depressing.

Well and truly putting the feelers out from

the government.

[yorkie1999]

22 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

 

Yep, but up long enough for the poor bloke (Whitty that is) to get an absolute onslaught of abuse from the right. Very depressing.

And no doubt for someone to make a quick buck on the stock market.

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

This is my main thought and seems to make sense. The problem is, Boris starts talks about spending loads and having testing at an incredible level for next year and it makes me think that they actually haven't got a plan at all and are just making it up on an almost daily basis.

 

People are going to be less and less willing to conform as time passes. Eventually the government will have to remove measures or decide they're going to get very draconian and start filling the prisons.

The Boris approach is that when something fails, to make an even more ambitious promise so that people forget about the original failure and only report on the next promise eg operation moonshine. And when that fails, to make an even more improbable promise. And it’s fine because he’s got to where he has because of lies and mugs falling for it time and time again. Its governance by PR and not by what’s best for the country.