Coronavirus Thread

[Alf Bentley]

48 minutes ago, twoleftfeet said:

 

Why does Joachim need to tell the scientists, they already know it, if it was going to just go away they wouldnt be investing time and money in to research of this virus on the scale that they are. They may well be optimistic but they also know that not all drugs work i.e viagra was unsuccessful but had a terrific unplanned side effect.

Spring try end of October or do you want to tell the CEO of pfizer he is wrong.

 

 

He said: "we have to [live with it]". There's at least a reasonable chance of a vaccine some time next year, so we clearly don't just have to live with it.

We can opt to protect as many lives as possible while minimizing economic harm & other physical/mental health problems and supporting businesses that would be viable again post-Covid.

Of course, there's a risk of there being no fully successful vaccine and it's sensible to plan for that outcome - but not to assume that the worst will happen.

 

He also said that "it ain't going away no matter how long you hide from it". But if there's a vaccine, it will "go away" as a threat, so there's no need to live with it - and it makes sense to "hide from it" to a reasonable extent by minimizing risk for self and others, without taking it to a ridiculous extent (closing everything down and everyone living in oxygen tents for a year or whatever).

[st albans fox]

6 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

There will be more than a few who haven't come across this illness.  Fewer than 1 in 100 people have tested positive, and many of those who tested positive have barely come across the illness.  After all, 17 people at Leyton Orient FC had it, 16 people at Sale RFU had it, and in both cases they didn't know they had it until everyone was tested.  

 

The problem is not just that coronavirus has caused deaths, and it's possible but unlikely that it will cause as many again.  That's only part of the problem.  The problem is also that the solution to coronavirus has caused deaths and other problems, and will continue to do so.  Schools closed for another 6 months, another 40,000 cancer referrals missed, cervical, prostate and breast cancer clinics suspended, doctors' surgeries remain closed or practically so, dementia patients getting rapidly worse because they cannot get any of the recommended ways of keeping their minds active.  And 2 million operations cancelled already; that's two million people whose eyesight is not being improved, whose ruined joints are not being replaced, whose early stage cancer is being allowed to become later stage cancer.  And of course millions of jobs lost.  And I would predict (though no-one is going to say so yet) that retirement age will be up at least another year to pay for all this lot.

 

It's not that easy, for me at least, to look at the way the death rate has risen since August and compare it with the way the death rate rose in March and think the two are similar.  To me, they look vastly different, and the September figures look very much like a ripple not a wave.  Maybe I;m wrong.  But another lockdown would be a solution worse than the cure IMO.  THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT I DON'T CARE ABOUT DOCTORS, NURSES AND PEOPLE GENERALLY.  The argument "you disagree with me so you should be ashamed" is no argument at all.

This is all avoidable if we accept we need to change our lifestyles until a vaccine is found or enough of the population have had it to mean it struggles to transmit quickly and efficiently.  people have got used to not distancing socially, to take risks, to do what they were asked not to, to refuse to abide by the restrictions.  If they continue to do that then the bold type in your post will inevitably happen again imo because public opinion will demand it as the tv pictures show the hospitals struggling to cope etc etc.  I don’t believe we are being asked to do that much to avoid a proper re introduced lockdown - but I don’t trust the govt to handle it either. they are too reactive and led by focus groups. so I expect that if enough of the general public continue to show a lack of responsibility in dealing with this then govt will end up doing what none of want to see because they will feel they have no option.  
 

those arguing that restrictions aren’t needed etc are merely encouraging those that don’t see the need to do the right thing to continue that way. 

 

We aren’t going to change the people running this sh1tshow so given that what we’re being asked to do isn’t so awful, we should just get on with it. 

 

[Pliskin]

8 hours ago, Otis said:

Yes, basic restrictions fine, but closing down large parts of the country is madness.

Correct, however, the government sloppy initial reaction will forever mean they will essentially jump from one knee jerk reaction to the next. I won’t be at all surprised if they force the pubs, restaurants and indoor sports facilities to close once again. 

Edited 8 October 2020 by Pliskin

[Mapperleyfox]

10 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Personally I disagree completely on the notion that there is no middle ground. 
 

Plenty of folk out there what want to us be sensible with rules/restrictions whilst maintaining some form of an economy. 
 

Its just you’ll find they are not so vocal with it or their argument includes nuance. 
 

The wider point being that debate is increasingly viewed in extremes 

Guess I'm in this camp.

 

Do I think I need to be careful, wash my hands and keep my distance from vulnerable people? Absolutely.

 

Do I believe the current restrictions are disproportionate to the risk and may cause more harm than the virus itself? Totally.

 

Do I believe that the government has made a mess of this and manipulates data to pursue an agenda? Yes.

 

The problem is, the more they lurch from one farce to the next, the less faith I have that they have any control or any real plan to deal with it.

[Stadt]

Tested positive, had all of the symptoms bar the coughing. The worst thing is random shooting aches in my bones 

[BKLFox]

I love how many of you still believe our governent & scientists are making a mess of this & put places like Germany up on a pedestal on how to manage, but, has anyone looked at what places like Germany, Belgium, France etc are doing right now?
If you haven't its pretty much what the so called inept UK Gov are doing with bars, gyms, leisure centres all closing within localised areas with schools & Uni's open as normal, although shut now due to h/term.
The German health minister has just said he is very concerned about the sharp rise in daily cases & stated in the main that their rise in positive cases is being driven by young adults because they want to party, travel & think they are invincible, but so far social media is not ripping him a new 1 or calling him a clown etc in the same way Hancock & Boris were, the way some of you go on you'd think the UK turned right & the rest of the world turned left.

 

Better edit to say before i get the usual suspects sprouting look heres 1 of the Tory idiots blinding following Doris, the remark was simply to highlight that the UK is doing the same as almost every other country & countries that are held in high regard in how they have managed.

Edited 8 October 2020 by BKLFox

[Sampson]

36 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Tested positive, had all of the symptoms bar the coughing. The worst thing is random shooting aches in my bones 

Get well soon mate.

[FoxesDeb]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

Tested positive, had all of the symptoms bar the coughing. The worst thing is random shooting aches in my bones 

I really hope you start to feel better soon, take care of yourself

[Kopfkino]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

Tested positive, had all of the symptoms bar the coughing. The worst thing is random shooting aches in my bones 

Ackshually there's a 123% chance it's a false positive

[Izzy]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

Tested positive, had all of the symptoms bar the coughing. The worst thing is random shooting aches in my bones 

You're a good poster mate. I hope you don't die 

 

Edited 8 October 2020 by Izzy

[Stadt]

8 minutes ago, Izzy said:

You're a good poster mate. I hope you don't die 

 

Thanks Izzy  

[Manini]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

Tested positive, had all of the symptoms bar the coughing. The worst thing is random shooting aches in my bones 

Get well soon my man. 

[The People's Hero]

Its going to kill all our businesses and careers before it kills us.

 

Brokers are telling me of so many companies who are preparing to shut up shop when Furlough ends and a bunch more will do so if they are affected by another lockdown.

 

Who remembers the high street? !

 

 

[The People's Hero]

1 minute ago, The People's Hero said:

Its going to kill all our businesses and careers before it kills us.

 

Brokers are telling me of so many companies who are preparing to shut up shop when Furlough ends and a bunch more will do so if they are affected by another lockdown.

 

Who remembers the high street? !

 

 

 

I'm in no way informed about the virus itself or whatever by the way, just I speak all day every day to insurance brokers who in turn obviously spend their time talking to insureds, many of whom are business owners.

 

If you think its been bad so far, you wait until the furlough scheme finishes and the country starts to lockdown again, little by little, region by region.

 

 

[Manini]

Just now, The People's Hero said:

 

I'm in no way informed about the virus itself or whatever by the way, just I speak all day every day to insurance brokers who in turn obviously spend their time talking to insureds, many of whom are business owners.

 

If you think its been bad so far, you wait until the furlough scheme finishes and the country starts to lockdown again, little by little, region by region.

 

 

Christ this is like when you had all that ITK transfer knowledge all over again  

[The People's Hero]

Just now, Manini said:

Christ this is like when you had all that ITK transfer knowledge all over again  

All of which was spot on. You forgot to say that bit!

 

Its all linked to insurance mate. Us insurance people make the world go round! 

[Manini]

Just now, The People's Hero said:

All of which was spot on. You forgot to say that bit!

 

Its all linked to insurance mate. Us insurance people make the world go round! 

Wasn’t questioning the validity mate!  

[egg_fried_rice]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

Tested positive, had all of the symptoms bar the coughing. The worst thing is random shooting aches in my bones 

Sounds rough mate, hope you feel better soon.

 

Do you have any idea where you might have picked it up? IIRC, you're a student in Sheffield - I've heard the cases in uni accommodation round here are rising sharply?

[The People's Hero]

8 minutes ago, Manini said:

Wasn’t questioning the validity mate!  

Like I said mate; its all about insurance!

 

We've seen a huge downturn in enquiries and take up and part of the reality is that enterprise is at an all time low and insureds (where they are trading) are opting to retain their own risk.

 

Excellent. 

[Manini]

18 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

Like I said mate; its all about insurance!

 

We've seen a huge downturn in enquiries and take up and part of the reality is that enterprise is at an all time low and insureds (where they are trading) are opting to retain their own risk.

 

Excellent. 

Any sector in particular or across the board? My firm seems to have guarded against a 2nd lockdown down, used the first one to stick a few people on furlough but everyone is back now and we seem like we’d be in a good place to continue BAU if there was another hard wave of restrictions. We’re a consultancy though so everything we do is governed by what work our clients give to us, so if they all get cold feet we’d be ****ed I guess. 

[Ollie93]

A random bloke stopped me in the street the other day and started ranting about how its a big Government plan to keep locking down, so the small businesses go out of business and we become a cashless society..

[FoxesDeb]

2 minutes ago, Ollie93 said:

A random bloke stopped me in the street the other day and started ranting about how its a big Government plan to keep locking down, so the small businesses go out of business and we become a cashless society..

Did you ask him if he's a regular on this thread? 

[Ollie93]

Just now, FoxesDeb said:

Did you ask him if he's a regular on this thread? 

 It did make me wonder if there is a bigger picture we all all blind too.

[MonmoreStef]

3 minutes ago, Ollie93 said:

 It did make me wonder if there is a bigger picture we all all blind too.

I’ve never been a conspiracy theorist but some of the ineptitude on show during the last few months as got me wondering 😉

[dsr-burnley]

1 hour ago, MonmoreStef said:

I’ve never been a conspiracy theorist but some of the ineptitude on show during the last few months as got me wondering 😉

Hanlon's Razor:  Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

 

There's plenty of stupidity to go round!