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13 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

NHS already "short" of staff and we'll build a new hospital in every town? Eh? :S

Which is why I also mentioned recruiting new staff as well. You wouldn't open a new hospital with no staff would you :rolleyes:

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Which is why I also mentioned recruiting new staff as well. You wouldn't open a new hospital with no staff would you :rolleyes:

 

 

This government probably would, let's be honest.

 

They gave a billion pound ferry contract to a company with no boats.

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17 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

NHS already "short" of staff and we'll build a new hospital in every town? Eh? :S

Forget hospitals the governments (not this one the one before but same party) ridiculous decision to scrap the nursing bursary has cost a lot of life's. 

 

We didn't even need new investment just investment in line with inflation. Unfortunately the NHS has been facing real time cuts (when you factor in pop growth and inflation) for over a decade. 

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1 minute ago, Izzy said:

Which is why I also mentioned recruiting new staff as well. You wouldn't open a new hospital with no staff would you :rolleyes:

 

 

No you wouldn't. But to staff a hospital in every town you'd have had to start training them decades ago. Not as easy as ordering a box of masks. :D

 

Tbh I think when we do get a full backwards looking investigation into how we've handled this the amount of money given to the NHS in preparing for an event like this will be a pretty hefty talking point. Although I think it needs saying that when this all first started we had people of all shapes and sizes losing their crap over how our NHS would cope with this pandemic, losing their crap over how many ventilators we had, how much PPE we had stored away but imo besides a few teething problems at the beginning I think they've handled it terrifically. 

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8 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

No you wouldn't. But to staff a hospital in every town you'd have had to start training them decades ago. Not as easy as ordering a box of masks. :D

 

Tbh I think when we do get a full backwards looking investigation into how we've handled this the amount of money given to the NHS in preparing for an event like this will be a pretty hefty talking point. Although I think it needs saying that when this all first started we had people of all shapes and sizes losing their crap over how our NHS would cope with this pandemic, losing their crap over how many ventilators we had, how much PPE we had stored away but imo besides a few teething problems at the beginning I think they've handled it terrifically. 

I agree they've handled it well in the circumstances.

 

My point being that all the measure put in place are designed to prevent NHS over capacity. My hypothesis just wondered what would have happened if we already did have the capacity to let the virus run it's course without the need for restrictions, furlough, grants, handouts, redundancies etc. at the cost of hundreds of billions.

 

Just seems sad that we'll have spent all this money and have nothing to show for it at the end.

 

Anyway, ignore me. I'm spouting shit as always :D

 

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6 minutes ago, Izzy said:

I agree they've handled it well in the circumstances.

 

My point being that all the measure put in place are designed to prevent NHS over capacity. My hypothesis just wondered what would have happened if we already did have the capacity to let the virus run it's course without the need for restrictions, furlough, grants, handouts, redundancies etc. at the cost of hundreds of billions.

 

Just seems sad that we'll have spent all this money and have nothing to show for it at the end.

 

Anyway, ignore me. I'm spouting shit as always :D

 

Nah it's a good point. And I reckon I'd have been all for it. But we'd still have the problem of thousands dying from it since it's not just lack of access to treatment causing it. Just don't think people would accept it. 

 

The cost of it all is staggering no matter where you look at it. Thousands of families pissed off at losing loved ones and millions of tax payers pissed off knowing tax rises will be coming and hundreds of thousands of people pissed off because they no longer have jobs. 

 

What a shit year it has been. 

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Let's not forget the previous Conservatve government ran a 3-day exercise on pandemic preparedness in 2016. They didn't like the results so they ignored the recommendations and buried the report, and are still refusing to release the findings.

 

Fed up of the lies and excuses.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/28/exercise-cygnus-uncovered-pandemic-warnings-buried-government/

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Just now, WigstonWanderer said:

Haha, did you get caught trying to edit your post and accidentally pressed the quote button? Done it myself many times. Just can’t get used to the new format where the edit button is buried.

 

Exactly that, only wanted to fix a typo. Sure we'll get used to it...

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1 hour ago, Facecloth said:

This government probably would, let's be honest.

 

They gave a billion pound ferry contract to a company with no boats.

This all reminds me of a classic Yes Minister episode where they were congratulation themselves about a miraculously well run hospital with plenty of beds, state of the art equipment... yet no patients. 

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1 hour ago, Facecloth said:

This government probably would, let's be honest.

 

They gave a billion pound ferry contract to a company with no boats.

Most such contracts are given to companies with no boats, or no spare boats.  The usual way is to get the contract first and then get the boats to run it.  It's the same with train companies, with bus route tenders, with any form of contract - if you want to expand your business you get the work first and the means of transport later.

 

The government deserved loads of stick on that contract for awarding it to a company that couldn't do it.  That's the issue.  The boats were a red herring.

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1 hour ago, Izzy said:

I'm sure this government and governments the world over had no idea this was coming.

 

I just find it interesting that the money is available for furlough/grants etc. and wondered what would have happened if it had been spent beforehand on hospitals, infrastructure and staff that would have had the capacity to cope with the pandemic.

 

It's a shit ton of money currently being given out and at the end we'll have nothing to show for it.

We will have higher taxes and lower public spending to show for it.

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2 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

Most such contracts are given to companies with no boats, or no spare boats.  The usual way is to get the contract first and then get the boats to run it.  It's the same with train companies, with bus route tenders, with any form of contract - if you want to expand your business you get the work first and the means of transport later.

 

The government deserved loads of stick on that contract for awarding it to a company that couldn't do it.  That's the issue.  The boats were a red herring.

I worked for a bus company for years, we had to at least prove the vehicles were on order when making the bid for the tender, and they would arrive before the contract started.

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It seriously baffles me how people have so much trust in mainstream news sites such as the BBC and SkyNews. Who is too say they are reliable and telling the truth? People just listen to everything being said without questioning. Has no one got a mind of their own?

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1 minute ago, Harrydc said:

It seriously baffles me how people have so much trust in mainstream news sites such as the BBC and SkyNews. Who is too say they are reliable and telling the truth? People just listen to everything being said without questioning. Has no one got a mind of their own?


What are you referring to in this case?

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56 minutes ago, Izzy said:

I agree they've handled it well in the circumstances.

 

My point being that all the measure put in place are designed to prevent NHS over capacity. My hypothesis just wondered what would have happened if we already did have the capacity to let the virus run it's course without the need for restrictions, furlough, grants, handouts, redundancies etc. at the cost of hundreds of billions.

 

Just seems sad that we'll have spent all this money and have nothing to show for it at the end.

 

Anyway, ignore me. I'm spouting shit as always :D

 

No it's a valid point and one worth bearing in mind come the next election.  If there was the capacity to throw this much money at our problems, why didn't we already have better NHS funding?  Why are so many people reliant on foodbanks instead of receiving adequate government assistance?  Why were we being told that there still wasn't enough money and there'd be even more years of Tory austerity not long before the crisis hit and we started throwing billions at every existing business as well as some shady and hastily thrown together new ones (which will no doubt become the new reason for austerity)?  I'm glad they've pulled their fingers out and helped but while we keep electing governments focused on short-term gains for the well-connected at the cost of long term benefits for the country we'll keep finding ourselves asking this question.

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19 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

It seriously baffles me how people have so much trust in mainstream news sites such as the BBC and SkyNews. Who is too say they are reliable and telling the truth? People just listen to everything being said without questioning. Has no one got a mind of their own?

Who would you deem more reliable?

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Covid is the single most deadliest illness known in our life time. It is a fact, the rate of spread and the death toll incurred, in the time period for which it has been active has been catastrophic. Arguing against such data is is just stupid. It's direct result of human negligence towards illnesses and has been warned against by world health organisations for some time, yet chosen to be ignored by some sections of humanity. It will take a huge toll on us as race and our short term capacity to function normally. The real question is how did this happen in this century?  

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2 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Covid is the single most deadliest illness known in our life time. It is a fact, the rate of spread and the death toll incurred, in the time period for which it has been active has been catastrophic. Arguing against such data is is just stupid. It's direct result of human negligence towards illnesses and has been warned against by world health organisations for some time, yet chosen to be ignored by some sections of humanity. It will take a huge toll on us as race and our short term capacity to function normally. The real question is how did this happen in this century?  

There are an average of 9.6 million cancer deaths worldwide per year. How can you say this is the deadliest illness in our lifetime? 

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19 hours ago, AjcW said:

A bit of Nottingham context as someone who lives there, every single one of those areas listed is University Accom/Student Flat based apart from St Annes so i'd say that data is pretty spot on for showing the student return was the issue. Even St Anne's depending on the boundary they've drawn contains a great deal of shared housing (large properties converted into multi occupancy) 

 

 


University of Nottingham are running their own Asymptomatic testing programme so the numbers aren’t exactly comparable to other areas

 

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4 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

There are an average of 9.6 million cancer deaths worldwide per year. How can you say this is the deadliest illness in our lifetime? 

In terms of the spread rate and death toll in the time period it has been active. Cancer is a separate issue altogether as it’s a common disease amongst the human race. Covid is a new illness which has exploded leaving a trail of catastrophe everywhere. It has shattered economies, ended lives changed laws and stopped life in its tracks. Taking into consideration the fact it has both directly and indirectly had an impact on everything, it would suggest it is the deadliest illness within our lifetime. I’m not turning this is to a pissing contest, I’m merely trying to explain how I think it has impacted the world.

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