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3 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

Absolute nonsense, yet again

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronaviruscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluenzaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31august2020

 

  • Of all death occurrences between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with 13,619 deaths due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza.
  • Influenza and pneumonia was mentioned on more death certificates than COVID-19, however COVID-19 was the underlying cause of death in over three times as many deaths between January and August 2020.
  • The highest number of deaths due to influenza and pneumonia occurred in January 2020, however influenza and pneumonia deaths were below the five-year average (2015 to 2019) in every month.
  • Deaths due to COVID-19 were higher than deaths due to influenza and pneumonia between March and June.
  • Age-standardised and age-specific mortality rates for deaths due to COVID-19 were statistically significantly higher than mortality rates due to influenza and pneumonia when compared with the five-year average and 2020 rates.
  • The proportion of deaths occurring in care homes due to COVID-19 was almost double the proportion of deaths due to influenza and pneumonia (30.0% and 15.2% respectively).
  • In comparison with the deaths due to influenza and pneumonia occurring in the year to 31 August 2020, deaths due to COVID-19 have been higher than every year monthly data are available (1959 to 2020).

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“More than three times as many deaths were recorded between January and August this year where COVID-19 was the underlying cause compared to influenza and pneumonia."

“The mortality rate for COVID-19 is also significantly higher than influenza and pneumonia rates for both 2020 and the five-year average."

“Since 1959, which is when ONS monthly death records began, the number of deaths due to influenza and pneumonia in the first eight months of every year have been lower than the number of COVID-19 deaths seen, so far, in 2020.”

whilst we were at the height of the pandemic , yes, covid deaths were massively more than influenza,  but not at the moment, I feel I need to make something clear,  I am not a covid denier, it is a very nasty illness and if  you are old or have pre existing health issues, is very dangerous and potentially fatal, but influenza is killing more people at the moment.

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2 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

****ing insane isn't it......

It looks like it’s insane right ?

 

if you looked at it front on as opposed to a side angle, I’d imagine it would look far more sane…

 

I’m not suggesting it was a great idea…. I am definitely implying the photographer found the most ‘dramatic’ angle…

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12 minutes ago, Wolfox said:

It looks like it’s insane right ?

 

if you looked at it front on as opposed to a side angle, I’d imagine it would look far more sane…

 

I’m not suggesting it was a great idea…. I am definitely implying the photographer found the most ‘dramatic’ angle…

Nah still looks insane 

 

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33 minutes ago, joachim1965 said:

whilst we were at the height of the pandemic , yes, covid deaths were massively more than influenza,  but not at the moment, I feel I need to make something clear,  I am not a covid denier, it is a very nasty illness and if  you are old or have pre existing health issues, is very dangerous and potentially fatal, but influenza is killing more people at the moment.

Where is the data for this? The ONS has only reported up to August 2020, and this was released 5 days ago as posted above. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nalis said:

Spotted that this morning, hopefully a rarity but a bit of a depressing find if its more common than we think.

 

 

Yes woke up to this on my phone.Part of me thinks they throw these stories at us to keep us on our toes.Not a bad thing as such but reinfection has been reported before.

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2 hours ago, Finnaldo said:

Covid reinfection: Man gets Covid twice and second hit 'more severe'
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54512034

Saw that this morning. Could the first test have been a false positive?

 

Interesting that it was almost a month after his original symptoms that he got a positive result too.

 

  • 25 March - First wave of symptoms, including sore throat, cough, headache, nausea and diarrhoea
  • 18 April - He tests positive for the first time
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2 hours ago, rachhere said:

This all reminds me of a classic Yes Minister episode where they were congratulation themselves about a miraculously well run hospital with plenty of beds, state of the art equipment... yet no patients. 

This reminds me of that state of the art hospital they take tourists round in North Korea.

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1 hour ago, Nalis said:

Spotted that this morning, hopefully a rarity but a bit of a depressing find if its more common than we think.


4 or 5 confirmed cases out of how many million you’d hope it’s an extremely rare occurrence, but of course that doesn’t quantify asymptomatic reinfections. About what I expected though, we probably aren’t ever exterminating this it’s just making sure we have it under wraps with effective enough treatment so that it can be relegated to another flavour of seasonal flu. 

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4 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Saw that this morning. Could the first test have been a false positive?

 

Interesting that it was almost a month after his original symptoms that he got a positive result too.

 

  • 25 March - First wave of symptoms, including sore throat, cough, headache, nausea and diarrhoea
  • 18 April - He tests positive for the first time


More than possible given it’s only 4 or 5 confirmed cases, that or they’re the unlucky one-in-a-million buggers who’ll probably get hit by lightning as they leave hospital! It’s also interesting to note these are all American cases minus one Ecuadorian bloke. 
 

Here’s the citated WebMD link if anyone fancies a read: 

 

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201012/first-confirmed-us-case-of-covid-reinfections

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1 hour ago, Harrydc said:

It seriously baffles me how people have so much trust in mainstream news sites such as the BBC and SkyNews. Who is too say they are reliable and telling the truth? People just listen to everything being said without questioning. Has no one got a mind of their own?

I think ignorance is a choice these days.I’m not surprised that so many have gone down the various conspiracies route though.The MSM have fed us so much horse shite over the years it’s hardly surprising.They have a lot to answer for.This is the end result.

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2 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

I think ignorance is a choice these days.I’m not surprised that so many have gone down the various conspiracies route though.The MSM have fed us so much horse shite over the years it’s hardly surprising.They have a lot to answer for.This is the end result.

Thats a good point. Like you said, so many have gone down the route of conspiracys, probably more with this than any incident in history. For me personally it's becoming increasingly difficult to think along the lines of a 'normal' person. Guess I'm just a no good nut job who has 'mastered the art' of spouting sh*t. 

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49 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Where is the data for this? The ONS has only reported up to August 2020, and this was released 5 days ago as posted above. 

 

 

 

It is an ONS graph, look at the top , it tells you.

It is up to week 38, which I believe is September 14.

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1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Saw that this morning. Could the first test have been a false positive?

 

Interesting that it was almost a month after his original symptoms that he got a positive result too.

 

  • 25 March - First wave of symptoms, including sore throat, cough, headache, nausea and diarrhoea
  • 18 April - He tests positive for the first time

they have isolated the virus strain from both tests so can't be a false positive. i wonder if the first infection was the east Asian strain and the second the more virulent Italian ??   

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1 hour ago, Line-X said:

The unintentional irony at this stage is as staggering as it is comical. 

The irony is, of course that those who spout the "People blindly believe everything they read in MSM" are usually so deeply entrenched in their echo chamber of paranoia and conspiracy theory. You won't find them critically evaluating the things they agree with, let me tell you that.

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