Positive Points from te run in

[deanolegend1989]

20 hours ago, Captain... said:

Positives for me are we have highlighted that our squad is not good enough we need more strength in depth not just like for like replacements but players that can come and change the way we play, we did show tactical flexibility but also naivety.

 

We were down to our bare bones of a squad yet we still dominated games against lesser opposition and competed well against the media darlings. We just lacked a cutting edge and a bit of luck and individual mistakes cost us.

 

Watford - we dominated and conceded a last minute overhead kick from a centre back

Brighton - we dominated but couldn't score

Everton - slow start daft penalty but we were the better team when Maddison came on

Palace - dominated game

Arsenal - we were the better team at times and outplayed Arsenal in patches

Bournemouth - dominated first half look set to win easily, then imploded spectacularly

Sheffield Utd - dominated game

Spurs - 3 mistakes cost us 3 goals other than that we controlled large parts of the game

Man Utd - we matched utd for large parts of the game but again mistakes cost us

 

Ultimately we didn't get enough points, but apart from the second half at Bournemouth and the first 20 vs Everton we played well, we didn't get the points our performances deserved and it was individual mistakes that cost us not us being collectively shit.

 

We also saw Kelechi, Justin, Gray and Thomas get valuable game time and experience if we can build on that they will all be useful squad members in what will be a long season. 

 

 

 

I have to question this message.

We ‘dominated’ vs Brighton did we? Do you really believe that or did you not watch the game?

Brighton dominated us first half and 2nd half they were about as comfortable as a fat kid in McDonald’s.

We dominated an awful Palace team, played well vs Sheffield Utd and had a good first half vs Bournemouth.

Other than that we were bloody pony.

 

Watford we didn’t dominate, we were largely poor and could of gone either way. Watford had a few sitters.

Brighton we were absolutely awful. You need to watch that game back and see how blunt we were.

Everton we were shocking first half and 2nd half we had a good 20 minutes and then Ancelotti locked it up and we were hopeless again.

Palace, good enough vs a team who didn’t challenge us.

Arsenal id argue largely outplayed us first half, 2nd half whilst we competed a bit better, we again looked relatively blunt and imo would of never scored vs 11.

Bournemouth , decent first half vs an awful team on their knees. Absolutely self destruction of a 2nd half and although it was a combination of huge errors from Kasper, Soyuncu, Evans and Brendan for his stupid tactical changes, we were struggling from half time until Kaspers mistake already.

Sheffield Utd , our only good performance. They were well below their best though.

Spurs , the perfect example of a game where you could look at the stats and say we dominated but anyone who watches the game again could see that we were barely any threat.

We threw the game away with stupid errors, huffed and puffed but ultimately were clueless in how to break Spurs down. Dominating does not mean controlling possession, it’s about causing a threat with the possession. The 2nd half as Spurs was a perfect example of why we are hopeless.

Man Utd, first half tactically spot on. 2nd half lost our way, never looked like scoring(there’s a pattern emerging) and ultimately, again a bad substitution by BR taking off Nacho and an error to give the game away.

 

To say we dominated these games is madness. We didn’t dominate any game except the ones we won. This shows why we have not been good enough, we can’t win dirty.

We can win when we get the lead and go for the throat, but any game where a team sits deep and asks us a question to break them down, we come up short - WELL short.

Edited 5 August 2020 by deanolegend1989

[Captain...]

5 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Brighton we were absolutely awful. You need to watch that game back and see how blunt we were.

No thanks, I am not saying we were brilliant against Brighton, but we dominated them in the way we dictated the game, controlled the midfield, rarely looked troubled at the back. Their only shot on target was a penalty. We just struggled to break them down. Which is a common theme in these games, but we're looking for positives.

 

There are two sides to football, the individual and the team. The individual makes the mistakes or produces the moment of genius that changes the game. Individually we were very poor, way too many mistakes and very few moments of genius. 

 

The other part is the team, the team is the shape and the control. They set the platform for the individuals to work their magic. We were very rarely overrun in midfield, possession doesn't win you games but it shows how well you control the game we had a lot of good possession in good positions but rarely capitalised on it. Even the Spurs game it wasn't like it was wave after wave of attacks, in terms of the team we dominated the game, we restricted them to a handful of chances, the difference is they got lucky with an own goal and they had Harry Kane, we had Ryan Bennett. As a team we dominated, or if you prefer controlled, most of the post lockdown games. Individual mistakes cost us time and again.

 

I won't suggest anyone watched the game back, but we generally played well against the elite and not so elite of English football, our view of the game is often too clouded by the frustration of defeat. We're all frustrated about how the season ended, but it was uncharacteristic individual errors that cost us not overall team failings. We're in a very good position to go forwards but there is still work to do. Be positive.

[Kevin Russell]

11 hours ago, Captain... said:

No thanks, I am not saying we were brilliant against Brighton, but we dominated them in the way we dictated the game, controlled the midfield, rarely looked troubled at the back. Their only shot on target was a penalty. We just struggled to break them down. Which is a common theme in these games, but we're looking for positives.

 

There are two sides to football, the individual and the team. The individual makes the mistakes or produces the moment of genius that changes the game. Individually we were very poor, way too many mistakes and very few moments of genius. 

 

The other part is the team, the team is the shape and the control. They set the platform for the individuals to work their magic. We were very rarely overrun in midfield, possession doesn't win you games but it shows how well you control the game we had a lot of good possession in good positions but rarely capitalised on it. Even the Spurs game it wasn't like it was wave after wave of attacks, in terms of the team we dominated the game, we restricted them to a handful of chances, the difference is they got lucky with an own goal and they had Harry Kane, we had Ryan Bennett. As a team we dominated, or if you prefer controlled, most of the post lockdown games. Individual mistakes cost us time and again.

 

I won't suggest anyone watched the game back, but we generally played well against the elite and not so elite of English football, our view of the game is often too clouded by the frustration of defeat. We're all frustrated about how the season ended, but it was uncharacteristic individual errors that cost us not overall team failings. We're in a very good position to go forwards but there is still work to do. Be positive.

I think we did control a lot of the games as you say. We had some really bad luck at times too. Not saying we were great (or even good) after the restart, but we often took less out of the game than we deserved.

[weller54]

On 04/08/2020 at 07:00, willie-bell-in-rothley said:

No dinosaurs went missing this season 

One played alongside Jonny Evans in the last 3 games!

[RumbleFox]

We really need to sign a Huth/Cambiasso/someone who has been there and won things type player. This young side should have learned from this and should come back stronger but I really feel we need an older, wiser head and someone who’s actually won stuff. We’re very close to being a very, very good side. Let’s not let this slip. X 

Edited 5 August 2020 by RumbleFox

[weller54]

35 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

We really need to sign a Huth/Cambiasso/someone who has been there and won things type player. This young side should have learned from this and should come back stronger but I really feel we need an older, wiser head and someone who’s actually won stuff. We’re very close to being a very, very good side. Let’s not let this slip. X 

Dennis Wise?

[Post Horn Galloper]

We did control many of the games, certainly in the sense of having more of the possession, but without creating enough chances. Perhaps it all comes down to the fact that other teams had worked it out how to play us. Defend in depth; never ever play a high line and crowd Vardy out. Vardy himself seems to have been playing to orders - don't waste energy coming deep or moving out to the wings; just play centrally and wait for the chances. This of course is great if the chances keep coming; it's not so good if they don't. This, I think, comes back to Iheanacho. His emergence has been a real positive. We need someone else playing up front who can score goals and who can take make space for Vardy. Iheanacho is that player, and it's so frustrating that having bravely decided to give Iheanacho his chance, when most fans were distinctly underwhelmed at the prospect, then Brendan kept deselecting him or taking him off for Praet (no goal threat there). I was watching at Villa in December. We came out with Vardy and Kelechi up front and took the game to them in an memorable performance - we seemed on that Sunday afternoon to be taking the League by storm. Contrast that with our home game against Brighton in the run in when we started with a Puelesque formation: Mendy and Wilf as defensive midfielders and Maddison on the left. Result: initiative surrendered to Brighton, and two points lost. Add those two points to the three lost by taking Kelechi off at half time against Bournemouth and again surrendering the initiative. That was five points, and a Champions' League place, tossed away. Playing a defensive formation may seem the cautious thing to do but it can carry real risks. Pearson demonstrated that in reverse when, with seemingly nothing to lose and the club virtually certain of relegation, he abandoned negativity.  Result - seven wins out of the last nine in 2014-15, and survival.

 

 I started this thread on the basis of looking for the positives. Iheanacho has been one of those positives, but Brendan's decision to try to grind out the points with a defensive formation, either taking him off or not selecting him, was the reverse of positive. I don't think it was  lack of bottle on the part of the players that was at fault, but that of the manager.I hope the lesson has been learned. If not the Peter ("The lads are on fire in training") Taylor fiasco might just happen. I don't think it will, but I didn't think fifth place would either. 

 

 

 

[Guest ttfn]

I can’t believe anybody is claiming we “dominated” against Brighton. They had all the chances including a penalty. I don’t remember us creating anything even resembling a chance.

 

The comments on the rest of the games are debatable and come down to which side your bread is buttered on but given that this is a “positives” thread I’ll leave it at that. But I can’t leave unchallenged the idea we “dominated” against Brighton, it’s exactly the sort of possession-for-the-sake-of-posssession nonsense we’ve always stood against.

[mad biker]

On 03/08/2020 at 21:41, StanSP said:

Liverpool's right back did alright.

Not good enough to be mentioned in the same breath as Ricardo !! 

[mad biker]

On 04/08/2020 at 09:10, davieG said:

 

This is my concern we need someone with some backbone, some never say die attitude a believer in Foxes Never Quit on the pitch. We don't seem to have anyone like that, they're all 'nice guys'.

 

 

Spot on, we look very very brittle at times, we need a real leader on the pitch, a Milner type of player, we have genuine talent and the club is in a fantastic position off the pitch really can`t understand  all the negativity.

[Free Falling Foxes]

I got some smashing streams.

 

 

Unfortunately.

[majaco]

We used three at the back that people on this forum has been calling for all season.  

 

We found out we were short of defensive cover of adequate quality.

 

It was confirmed that we need a top quality right winger.

[Nicolo Barella]

On 04/08/2020 at 07:08, shailen said:

Am I the only one that's still unsure about Justin. He's got plenty of time to improve but he's not really that composed on the ball. He's solid defensively.

 

Thomas looks a real prospect - I'm really excited about him. I think he could give Robertson a run for his money on assists over the course of a season and he will get better defensively given time. 

It might be a question of confidence, or experience. He showed glimpses of technical brilliance at times, shooting, crossing, and dribbling. If he can bring it more often to his games, he will be one of the best right backs in the league, as he is fairly solid defensively already.

[Monsell1976]

Positive’s are we collected enough points first half the season, that the team letting us down with a shocking second half of the season didn’t cost us a European place completely.

 

 Other than that I can’t see what positive’s came out of losing most weeks, and getting hammered by Bournemouth who couldn’t buy a win.

 

 Saying that at least Rodgers knows which players he can trust, and fit in to his plans, and hopefully bin the shite

[Dan]

On 04/08/2020 at 09:48, Captain... said:

Positives for me are we have highlighted that our squad is not good enough we need more strength in depth not just like for like replacements but players that can come and change the way we play, we did show tactical flexibility but also naivety.

 

We were down to our bare bones of a squad yet we still dominated games against lesser opposition and competed well against the media darlings. We just lacked a cutting edge and a bit of luck and individual mistakes cost us.

 

Watford - we dominated and conceded a last minute overhead kick from a centre back

Brighton - we dominated but couldn't score

Everton - slow start daft penalty but we were the better team when Maddison came on

Palace - dominated game

Arsenal - we were the better team at times and outplayed Arsenal in patches

Bournemouth - dominated first half look set to win easily, then imploded spectacularly

Sheffield Utd - dominated game

Spurs - 3 mistakes cost us 3 goals other than that we controlled large parts of the game

Man Utd - we matched utd for large parts of the game but again mistakes cost us

 

Ultimately we didn't get enough points, but apart from the second half at Bournemouth and the first 20 vs Everton we played well, we didn't get the points our performances deserved and it was individual mistakes that cost us not us being collectively shit.

 

We also saw Kelechi, Justin, Gray and Thomas get valuable game time and experience if we can build on that they will all be useful squad members in what will be a long season. 

I don't see how it is possible to 'control' a game you're losing, no matter what's happening.

[Fox92]

We did not dominate Brighton. 

 

We had more possession, like we have in other games, but that's not "dominating". Shots; Leicester 11 10 Brighton. Shots on target; Leicester 2 Brighton 2. Corners; Leicester 6 7 Brighton. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51893553

 

Fvck me, we required a penalty save to get a point from the game.

 

Having more possession doesn't mean we dominated the game and I wish Rodgers would learn this also.

[Dan]

I suppose, to answer the thread...

 

- Luke Thomas looked really decent in patches and by no means is he the finished article, but he's definitely going to be an option for us next year I feel, failing that he'll be loaned to a decent Championship side.

 

- Tielemans on occasion showed some of his obvious class.

 

- Schmeichel had a couple of excellent games and was a big reason we did as well as we did (like I say, being positive )

 

- Sheffield United was arguably our best 90 minutes at home this season, granted they weren't great.

 

- Vardy got the golden boot and showed he's still got it.

[sishades]

The positive for me was that the season ended...2020 has been awful. Hopefully this form does not continue into next season unlike 2001.

Edited 9 August 2020 by sishades

[HybridFox]

Only positive I can take is we probably wouldn't have been allowed back at the KP to watch our opening Champions League games anyway. Apart from that I'm gutted. 

[deanolegend1989]

On 05/08/2020 at 06:44, Captain... said:

No thanks, I am not saying we were brilliant against Brighton, but we dominated them in the way we dictated the game, controlled the midfield, rarely looked troubled at the back. Their only shot on target was a penalty. We just struggled to break them down. Which is a common theme in these games, but we're looking for positives.

 

There are two sides to football, the individual and the team. The individual makes the mistakes or produces the moment of genius that changes the game. Individually we were very poor, way too many mistakes and very few moments of genius. 

 

The other part is the team, the team is the shape and the control. They set the platform for the individuals to work their magic. We were very rarely overrun in midfield, possession doesn't win you games but it shows how well you control the game we had a lot of good possession in good positions but rarely capitalised on it. Even the Spurs game it wasn't like it was wave after wave of attacks, in terms of the team we dominated the game, we restricted them to a handful of chances, the difference is they got lucky with an own goal and they had Harry Kane, we had Ryan Bennett. As a team we dominated, or if you prefer controlled, most of the post lockdown games. Individual mistakes cost us time and again.

 

I won't suggest anyone watched the game back, but we generally played well against the elite and not so elite of English football, our view of the game is often too clouded by the frustration of defeat. We're all frustrated about how the season ended, but it was uncharacteristic individual errors that cost us not overall team failings. We're in a very good position to go forwards but there is still work to do. Be positive.

I respect your being positive and it’s your opinion but for me, possession that’s aimless means nothing.

The Brighton game, we passed it back and forth in a defensive formation, with our most creative guy wide left getting frustrated. Our top scorer touched the ball once in the first 30 minutes and we needed a penalty save to scrape a point at home to a Brighton side struggling for there life, whilst they were happy to sit deep and watch as we flustered about begging for a penalty at the end!

Spurs away it wasn’t ‘unlucky’ that we conceded. They had great chances and had a few more than Kasper saved. We reacted fairly positively to an early set back and were a tad unlucky not to equalise, but the 2nd half we only ‘controlled’ because spurs let us. It felt like a boxer whose toying with his opponent, knowing he’s 11 rounds up with 1 to play and he can let some pressure on him because he’s no threat.

The reality is we were not good enough by a long shot.

Fair play , injury’s and suspensions cost us after Bournemouth.
We performed much better than I expected vs Sheffield Utd.

Spurs as above , never ever winning that game but with the squad it’s a good effort.

Utd we got it spot on first half, 2nd half BR took off nacho which I thought gave a threat first half and killed us, then a stupid mistake by Hamza finished us off. Again not good enough but in the situation , no complaints really.

We lost it in 4 games -

Watford - we should be beating teams like this and we performed badly on the whole.

Brighton - as said, was embarrassing, from the team, BR tactics of 2 DMs and Maddison wide. A mess from everyone involved.

Everton - Absolutely chucked the game. Didn’t deserve anything.

Bournemouth - A mess from

everyone.

Bournmouth and Brighton especially were the key. BR arguably threw both by stupid set ups and decisions. He has to take a huge slice of the blame but overall everyone has thrown it away, however I disagree that we didn’t get what we deserved, based on performances.

[Gamble92]

I was going to go through it and dissect it but one look at them results and i feel sick. I literally can't think about it.

[messerschmitt]

I think the biggest positive is our young squad can only get better, that was our second best position ever in the premier League. Barnes and Iheanacho will be amazing next season.

[HighPeakFox]

I prefer to flip what happened and say that finishing 5th is absolutely incredible given how long the team was dire for - that tells you how good the team was and how good it can be again.

[urban fox]

23 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I prefer to flip what happened and say that finishing 5th is absolutely incredible given how long the team was dire for - that tells you how good the team was and how good it can be again.

I agree. First half of the season we were brilliant, blowing away teams for fun, Southampton away, Newcastle, Villa, WHU etc. we had the best defensive record bar none and hadn't conceded from a set piece (other than pens) before the wheels came off.

 

I do not buy this "other teams sussed us out and just sat deep etc". Everyone knows exactly how Liverpool, Man city etc are going to play but, just like us in 2016, cant stop them.  That was the difference, we seemed to lose something, be that confidence, swagger, fitness/carrying injury, which allowed teams to counter us rather than us dictating the game.

 

What we do now know is that we are, on our day with our first choice 11-14, as good as almost anyone, but when injury, loss of form (every player will have this at some point in a season), suspensions or whatever comes around, we do not have the strength in depth to simply do a straight player swap without interrupting the pattern or to switch systems/styles.  This may seem an odd statement to make as a positive, but we now also know our weaknesses and areas that need improvement (either with new personnel, coahing, tactics or whatever). The first step to improvement is to recognise those failings and identify how to rectify or mitigate them.

 

I think that our young players will learn from the disappointment, and kick on again next season. If they do not respond and do so, then we will also know by xmas, which players are prepared to put it in and fight for the team and those that are not. The latter group should find themselves on the bench or shipped out.

 

[fuchsntf]

3 minutes ago, urban fox said:

I agree. First half of the season we were brilliant, blowing away teams for fun, Southampton away, Newcastle, Villa, WHU etc. we had the best defensive record bar none and hadn't conceded from a set piece (other than pens) before the wheels came off.

 

I do not buy this "other teams sussed us out and just sat deep etc". Everyone knows exactly how Liverpool, Man city etc are going to play but, just like us in 2016, cant stop them.  That was the difference, we seemed to lose something, be that confidence, swagger, fitness/carrying injury, which allowed teams to counter us rather than us dictating the game.

 

What we do now know is that we are, on our day with our first choice 11-14, as good as almost anyone, but when injury, loss of form (every player will have this at some point in a season), suspensions or whatever comes around, we do not have the strength in depth to simply do a straight player swap without interrupting the pattern or to switch systems/styles.  This may seem an odd statement to make as a positive, but we now also know our weaknesses and areas that need improvement (either with new personnel, coahing, tactics or whatever). The first step to improvement is to recognise those failings and identify how to rectify or mitigate them.

 

I think that our young players will learn from the disappointment, and kick on again next season. If they do not respond and do so, then we will also know by xmas, which players are prepared to put it in and fight for the team and those that are not. The latter group should find themselves on the bench or shipped out.

 

Totally agree...total myth..!!

Everybody knows how top Teams play, but they are still mentally strong and Keep to 'their' strengths.

So Teams suss us out..!!! Wow!...They would be rather dumb in todays technical world,if they didnt....

Its up to us (as other Teams also must)  to  believe in our own strengths,ethos, & character....'Sussed or not sussed'

We have to not just return but Drive ourselves, back to that fearless thought & idealogy,that ran throughout our club's corridors...!!!