Set pieces

[HybridFox]

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[CosbehFox]

There was a podcast by Tifo what suggested that we were actually being too clever with set pieces and Maddison also tries to be too perfect. If he just whipped in the standard corner as per tonight, then the likelyhood of getting the odd goal increases 

[Aus Fox]

Marc Albrighton- best crosser of a ball at the club and should be on all corners when he is on the field. 

[Collymore]

3 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

Marc Albrighton- best crosser of a ball at the club and should be on all corners when he is on the field. 

Spot on. Was about to look for this thread and post the same. There's an angle that you see the whip he gets on that corner, it's phenomenal. That Sanchez is a decent keeper too. 

[Tom12345]

Even though the corners we whipped in in the last two games were not all Beckham like, at the least you feel it is more 50-50 that we may get a touch. Having a touch means possibilities and at least it keeps me a bit excited. Before the last two games, not only were they generally wasteful as they were often way short or occasionally way long meaning even if we get a touch it is generally inconsequential, but they some times resulted in counter attacks or backpasses all the way back to Kasper.

 

Hope this trend continues and can get us back on track.

 

Meanwhile I like it that Albrighton and Tielemans are taking them.

[Corky]

9 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

There was a podcast by Tifo what suggested that we were actually being too clever with set pieces and Maddison also tries to be too perfect. If he just whipped in the standard corner as per tonight, then the likelyhood of getting the odd goal increases 

And we had somebody at the back post too. For some reason our players seem to group together in the middle of the box.

[Stadt]

Our players are really static when attacking set pieces, there’s not many coordinated runs from deep or anything.

[lcfc_forever]

There's a really good piece in The Athletic about Italy and their set pieces, and how they've worked with Gianni Vio to be so creative and effective.

 

Here is a page I found about his set pieces:

https://www.esdfanalysis.com/manager-analysis/gianni-vio-career-set-pieces-part-1/

 

Sounds like he worked with English clubs as well, although doesn't appear he had the same impact as he did in Italy. 

 

But the principle is the same - for a club as progressive and innovative as Leicester, especially when it comes to sports science and scouting - why do we not seem to apply that same effort and thinking to free kicks and corners?

 

If we resolve the set piece issue both defensively and offensively, it will be the difference maker. 

[lcfc_forever]

Still a big problem, arguably getting worse. 

 

There was a really good piece about set pieces in the Athletic, albeit about attacking set pieces. You can see there is little strategy to our set pieces - sometimes we have inswingers and sometimes outswingers, and we vary out set piece takers so much. In contrast, Liverpool mainly go for out swingers so they can attack the ball better and have a specialist set piece coach. 

 

I think teams concede a goal from 4% of corners, ours will a far worse. What's frustrating is you're seeing the same mistakes being made again and again, with Vardy flicking the ball on against Burnley, Chelsea and Arsenal from the near post to cause defensive issues (and think he might have had a role in Brighton's goal). You wonder why not kick it out for a throw at the moment where we can reset and put pressure on the ball when our organisation is so poor?

 

When we won the title, we were vulnerable to set pieces but worked out a way to defend them. We need a solution fast to this, it's not good enough. 

[drofmor55]

We have never replaced Leo Ulloa on the front of the six yard box when defending corners..Jamis Vardy isnt the answer...Ndidi could do this role when hes playing but we seem to prefer him being in the middle of the box alongside Evans & Soyuncu. 

 

[Corky]

They clearly aren't coached heavily at either end. There's no aggression defending or attacking. The quality in is usually woeful.

 

I made the point in the match thread about bringing everyone back being pointless as it makes no positive difference. Get players up the pitch and try and turn the game around.

[Silver surfer 1]

2 minutes ago, Corky said:

They clearly aren't coached heavily at either end. There's no aggression defending or attacking. The quality in is usually woeful.

 

I made the point in the match thread about bringing everyone back being pointless as it makes no positive difference. Get players up the pitch and try and turn the game around.

God knows what Toure brings to those issues seems a dumbo and just giving the signals like he knows what he’s doing.

[dmayne7]

6 minutes ago, Corky said:

They clearly aren't coached heavily at either end. There's no aggression defending or attacking. The quality in is usually woeful.

 

I made the point in the match thread about bringing everyone back being pointless as it makes no positive difference. Get players up the pitch and try and turn the game around.

A million times this. If you are organised then ideally you want to get as many players up the pitch as possible. All you're doing is encouraging the other team to bring more players up and deny yourselves the chance to play on the break. Will never understand bringing everyone back.

[Tielemans63]

The weakness from set pieces has been a glaring weakness for 3 years. Unforgivable 

[Blue-fox]

If he hasn’t sorted out the set pieces by now then nothing will change until we get in a new manager. 
 

We can’t defend them for love nor money, might aswell leave three players up on the half way line as that would keep 4/5 of them back. Doesn’t help when kasper never comes for a cross 

[lcfc_forever]

Read a comment about putting a defender on the line but that invites more pressure and one less player attacking the ball. And Brighton showed you can catch players offside, although refs seem more relaxed since about players being around the keeper. 
 

There were five players around Gabriel but none of them attached the ball with the same aggression as he did. In a way, having so many players can mean no one takes responsibility. We could put at least one player outside the area so the opposition commit less players as they’re worried about the counter-attack. 
 

Separately, I remember a pundit saying Vardy’s body shape is causing him to flick the ball on, putting the defence in trouble but there doesn’t seem to have been a change and it happened again today. 
 

The most frustrating thing is set pieces are something you can work on and improve fairly easily in theory - doesn’t rely on skill but good organisation and communication. 
 

 

[lcfc_forever]

Er, I hope this quote has been reported incorrectly - perhaps he is referring specifically to near post defending but still…

Rodgers on set-pieces

“It’s a constant. There’s a lot of goals going in at the front post. It’s not just us. There’s too much space. We get into the wrong positions. It’s never been an issue for us in our time here.”

[Guest ttfn]

5 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

A million times this. If you are organised then ideally you want to get as many players up the pitch as possible. All you're doing is encouraging the other team to bring more players up and deny yourselves the chance to play on the break. Will never understand bringing everyone back.

The problem is we aren’t organised and we don’t have enough aggressive and dominant headers of the ball.

 

In the title winning season we could afford to virtually clear the box because in Huth, Morgan and Fuchs we had 3 very aggressive defenders who would run over their own grandmother to head away a corner. We also had electric pace on the break with which to threaten our opponents. Neither Iheanacho or Vardy are slouches but they don’t move at anywhere near the speed of 15/16 Vardy and Mahrez.

 

The buck stops with Rodgers on this one. We’re clearly a total shambles but I’m not sure clearing the penalty area and letting our opponents have even more of a free run is the answer. 

[sammy82]

8 minutes ago, ttfn said:

The problem is we aren’t organised and we don’t have enough aggressive and dominant headers of the ball.

 

In the title winning season we could afford to virtually clear the box because in Huth, Morgan and Fuchs we had 3 very aggressive defenders who would run over their own grandmother to head away a corner. We also had electric pace on the break with which to threaten our opponents. Neither Iheanacho or Vardy are slouches but they don’t move at anywhere near the speed of 15/16 Vardy and Mahrez.

 

The buck stops with Rodgers on this one. We’re clearly a total shambles but I’m not sure clearing the penalty area and letting our opponents have even more of a free run is the answer. 

100% agreed we don’t have anyone bar evans who can powerfully attack the ball through a congested penalty area and even he gets beat regularly, Soyuncu just seems to get stuck under the ball far too often and there’s no one else in the team who will put there head through a brick wall to clear, it’s been going on for too long now to just fix overnight and I think it’s a mindset with our players, fight or flight type of thing that not all players have that aggressive win at all cost mentality 

[Stuntman_Mike]

We're absolutely diabolical from set pieces at both ends.

Kasper doesn't command his box, Vardy is the best option at the front post when really you need him ready for the counter and not chasing his own clearance, no one is aggressive enough, we can't put a simple cross in that is consistent enough for our attackers to anticipate, we can't clear our lines convincingly so we often concede another corner straight away that invites more pressure and an increased likelihood of conceding, and finally we never have someone on the post when we should. Oh and the time it actually takes Maddison to take a corner usually allows our opposition all the time they need to organise themselves from what is often a lame effort anyway. 

 

But other than that I'd say we're looking good.

[Haywood_6]

I could forgive us conceding the occasional set piece if we sometimes score from them. So it at least evens itself out. But we don't. The quality from corners are horrendous. Can't even get the f**cking ball high enough to beat the first man most of the time. We built a 100 million pound training ground for god sake... do they even train properly on this stuff?  This has been a glaring weakness for what feels like years now.

 

[sammy82]

4 hours ago, lcfc_forever said:

Er, I hope this quote has been reported incorrectly - perhaps he is referring specifically to near post defending but still…

Rodgers on set-pieces

“It’s a constant. There’s a lot of goals going in at the front post. It’s not just us. There’s too much space. We get into the wrong positions. It’s never been an issue for us in our time here.”

It’s always been an issue in his time here, not just goals conceded but the amount of free headers and chances the opposition get when the ball goes in our box is frightening, we’re such a talented team imagine how good we could be if we could confidently defend our lines

[Vestan Pance]

1 minute ago, Haywood_6 said:

I could forgive us conceding the occasional set piece if we sometimes score from them. So it at least evens itself out. But we don't. The quality from corners are horrendous. Can't even get the f**cking ball high enough to beat the first man most of the time. 

 

Did you not see the Maddison corner today that most definitely beat the first man!? .......and the second man, and every other player on the pitch and almost the linesman😆

[drofmor55]

Does anyone think the enigma that is 6' 4'' Filip Benkovic will be revealed..why doesnt he even get to come on as a sub ? just appears as a shadowy figure on the training pitch from time to time..would love to see him come on if only for 10mins sometime