Brendan Rodgers

[Mark_w]

52 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Nobody's gone.

 

Get rid of them all imo. Manager, staff, players, board.

 

We go again.

Are we sure we want to keep the fans?

[PAPA LAZAROU]

11 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Whatever we say about Rodgers at this time and believe me, I’ve thought his time was up months ago. You can understand his current demeanour - completely. Imagine being in a job, promised the world and asked to deliver an already difficult job but with further limited resources. or those resources you were promised being stopped.
 

The clubs inability to sign a player of note this summer is unforgivable mismanagement when the rest of the PL is strengthening. Again, I don’t want Rodgers anywhere near the transfer budget, his input alone is poisonous but I’m pretty sure he didn’t sign up to a year of this. I’ve complimented this board and the running of this club for years. Done really well but we should never as a PL club be in this sort of position. Never. 
 

It’s not a nice time for the club, we’ve had worst and we just got to ride it out. What’s Billy Mckinlay doing at the moment. 

 

Yeah imagine trousering  a few million over three years and the prospect of getting sacked for a few million more on top. It must be so depressing I could weep for him.

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

We could have sold Maddison or Fofana weeks ago to fund recruitment. That’s all we’ve done in other windows, we’ve never had huge amounts of cash sat around to spend, especially when we spend so much on wages compared to others. And before you say we shouldn’t, it’s that spending that’s has contributed to us outperforming other clubs regularly. 
 

So would you be happy with selling Fofana with what’s on offer and then buying a player or two? Again, that’s all we’ve done previously. 

Of course I would. And so should every other fan. Sign a player for £30/40m and sell for £70/80m is excellent work. If that money is spent with the same level of intelligence, the club continue to grow. 
 

We are not a model that can be based on Madrid, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man C.

 

We are however a team that can learn a lot from Dortmund, Leipzig, Atalanta and Villarreal. 
 

Dortmund sold Haaland for Ffs. Have you seen their window - slowly progressing forward. I’m sure selling Fofana won’t destroy this club.

 

it’s the boards job to keep us moving forward. If that means selling Fofana or Selling Tielemans last year, bloody do it. One sale and three (good) coming in works/worked for us. However we seem to have done away with that model and spent money on actual rubbish. 

 

*disclaimer: Brendan Rodgers should not get any money, ever again at this club.

[Babylon]

8 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Of course I would. And so should every other fan. Sign a player for £30/40m and sell for £70/80m is excellent work. If that money is spent with the same level of intelligence, the club continue to grow. 
 

We are not a model that can be based on Madrid, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man C.

 

We are however a team that can learn a lot from Dortmund, Leipzig, Atalanta and Villarreal. 
 

Dortmund sold Haaland for Ffs. Have you seen their window - slowly progressing forward. I’m sure selling Fofana won’t destroy this club.

 

it’s the boards job to keep us moving forward. If that means selling Fofana or Selling Tielemans last year, bloody do it. One sale and three (good) coming in works/worked for us. However we seem to have done away with that model and spent money on actual rubbish. 

 

*disclaimer: Brendan Rodgers should not get any money, ever again at this club.

Correct answer, unfortunately I think most seem to disagree by the comments I see on here and I'm not sure Rodgers was keen on selling his assets either. I believe we've tried to keep the team together to match his supposed ambitions and we've been bitten on the arse by it.

[smudgerfox]

8 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

I’d argue with the point about Perez. I know he is unpopular with a lot of fans, but for his first two season here he was an almost ever present and it was his work that got the assist in the FA Cup final, so it’s not like he signed them and doesn’t want to use them. He’s played and played well.

Perez is the least straightforward for sure. He was signed in Brendan’s first transfer window at the club and might have been a “club” signing who BR went a long with. I think he would have predated Congerton. He was a regular starter but there was always a feeling that he wasn’t being played in the right position - though as with many of our recruits I’m not sure what that would be now. His work rate is commendable and as you say he played a part in the glorious FA Cup Final winning goal. 
 

But did we really pay £30-million for a forward player whose most valuable skill  is to block opposition passes and make good recovery tackles? His goal record - scoring and assists - is lamentable for someone who plays in a forward position.  His shortcomings should have been recognised and he should have been moved on to make way for the right winger Brendan really wants. 

[Fox92]

30 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Of course I would. And so should every other fan. Sign a player for £30/40m and sell for £70/80m is excellent work. If that money is spent with the same level of intelligence, the club continue to grow. 
 

We are not a model that can be based on Madrid, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man C.

 

We are however a team that can learn a lot from Dortmund, Leipzig, Atalanta and Villarreal. 
 

Dortmund sold Haaland for Ffs. Have you seen their window - slowly progressing forward. I’m sure selling Fofana won’t destroy this club.

 

it’s the boards job to keep us moving forward. If that means selling Fofana or Selling Tielemans last year, bloody do it. One sale and three (good) coming in works/worked for us. However we seem to have done away with that model and spent money on actual rubbish. 

 

*disclaimer: Brendan Rodgers should not get any money, ever again at this club.

Selling a key player, for profit, each summer is good until we stop buying players as good just to replace them. And that seems to be where we are at now.

Our recruitment last summer was horrendous and I've seen nothing to suggest it would have improved this summer.

 

Southampton used to be great at doing it (they sell Lallana but they buy Mane, etc) but they don't recruit the same type of player anymore and I feel that's where we are heading.

[Mickyblueeyes]

12 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Selling a key player, for profit, each summer is good until we stop buying players as good just to replace them. And that seems to be where we are at now.

Our recruitment last summer was horrendous and I've seen nothing to suggest it would have improved this summer.

 

Southampton used to be great at doing it (they sell Lallana but they buy Mane, etc) but they don't recruit the same type of player anymore and I feel that's where we are heading.

 

34 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Correct answer, unfortunately I think most seem to disagree by the comments I see on here and I'm not sure Rodgers was keen on selling his assets either. I believe we've tried to keep the team together to match his supposed ambitions and we've been bitten on the arse by it.

 

But this guys is my entire point. I'm all for criticising Brendan and want him out. However, with him a few more need to go. The board, for all their good work has not prepared the product for this season and perhaps next. However we want to spin in, the product, meaning the first team, has not competed with its nearest competitor. It just hasnt. We sold our influential, match winning keeper and replaced him with Ward. I would argue that Ward wouldnt get into a few Championship sides. 

 

We have assets which are now about to potentially strengthen our competitors and raised us little or no funds. We are unable to compete with even the new kids on the block. 

 

I have read all the reasons but simply put, if we are unable to compete, the board for all its praise over the last few years should also be criticised. If they've done it to appease Brendan then there is significant error in judgement there. That is the point I am trying to make. How we have operated this summer is not normal nor should it be acceptable.  

[foxinsocks]

Piece in telegraph today... behind fire wall... what does it say,?

[String fellow]

58 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

Yeah imagine trousering  a few million over three years and the prospect of getting sacked for a few million more on top. It must be so depressing I could weep for him.

Indeed. And what about those depressed-looking players in the line-up at Stockport? Each one probably trousers more money every week than most of us supporters do in a year. As regards just going through the motions, maybe they need reminding of just how lucky they are to be playing in an era when PL footballers seem to have money thrown at them like confetti.

[Sampson]

With regards to Perez, he’s been a decent player for us overall, we just massively overpaid for him.

 

I agree that causes people to go over the top against him and make out he’s crap when he’s obviously not. I reckon that if he’d cost about £5mil I think he’d probably be well liked by supporters in general.

[MonkeyTennis?]

Brendan needs to go because of his tactical weaknesses - his setups and subs are too rigid; as a team we lack grit; we default to a toothless, possession based game; we're still weak at defending set pieces. He actually has lots of strengths as a manager - which contributed to some great successes for us - but now the weaknesses are overwhelming, he doesn't have the answers, and we need a new approach to coaching and tactics. Desperately.

 

 

All that said, I just don't believe that Brendan is a criminal mastermind who is single-handedly responsible for every bad decision that's ever been made at the club, from contracts and recruitment to misplaced passes. Yeah he plays a role, but focusing completely on him is wishful thinking, IMHO. 

 

 

[ealingfox]

If we are that desperate for cash why have we been knocking back seemingly reasonable offers for the likes of Sounare? It doesn't make sense.

[turkish14]

36 minutes ago, String fellow said:

Indeed. And what about those depressed-looking players in the line-up at Stockport? Each one probably trousers more money every week than most of us supporters do in a year. As regards just going through the motions, maybe they need reminding of just how lucky they are to be playing in an era when PL footballers seem to have money thrown at them like confetti.

Yeah because being wealthy means happiness 

[Bptiger]

31 minutes ago, Sampson said:

With regards to Perez, he’s been a decent player for us overall, we just massively overpaid for him.

 

I agree that causes people to go over the top against him and make out he’s crap when he’s obviously not. I reckon that if he’d cost about £5mil I think he’d probably be well liked by supporters in general.

U been watching the same useless player I have been watching , little effort , gets push of the ball like he’s a young kid , work rate is 0 , ball control 0 . 

[SecretPro]

50 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

Piece in telegraph today... behind fire wall... what does it say,?

Says Brendan is great, Top Loves him, they are adopting a child together and Brendan has signed a new 30 year deal. Top also says he will sell the club if anybody can offer him a quid.

[Aus Fox]

2 minutes ago, Bptiger said:

U been watching the same useless player I have been watching , little effort , gets push of the ball like he’s a young kid , work rate is 0 , ball control 0 . 

Yet we have achieved most over our best results over the last 3 years when he plays. 
Even on Saturday against Southampton we looked far better with him on the field.

[Old Fox]

4 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

If we are that desperate for cash why have we been knocking back seemingly reasonable offers for the likes of Sounare? It doesn't make sense.

I think there is a real misunderstanding we are not short of cash or ability to invest but we do need to reset the wage base - it’s too high and we have too many players when not in Europe to meet FFP in the future - it’s mainly down to having a 25+man squad for Europe which BR wanted.

 

He and the players failed last year fact and we now need to reset - I also think the board will not give players away under value which medium term protects our position to compete with the bigger clubs so we are not pushed around.

 

The Board thought it would be easier to move a few squad players on and in the next week we will loan a number of players out I expect but we needed to move Youri on quickly which did not happen.

 

we need to not get burnt by Maddison next which is already looking precarious with his agent and the manager has failed last season is tactically too one dimensional and also thrown his toys out - this will have clearly not gone unnoticed.

 

I expect a lot of movement this week when they get Wes agreed in the background and could also include BR in the coming weeks.

 

 

[Fox92]

6 minutes ago, Bptiger said:

U been watching the same useless player I have been watching , little effort , gets push of the ball like he’s a young kid , work rate is 0 , ball control 0 . 

He isn't useless, lets be honest. In his first full season he scored 8 goals from wide, not his best position, which is low but more than other wingers have got (aside from Mahrez). Barnes' best return is only 9 goals.

 

But one thing Perez can't be criticised for is his ball control. It's among the best in the squad. That's why him and Ricardo work so well.

 

We overpaid for him massively but we were/are just deseperate for someone to play right midfield.

Edited 26 August 2022 by Fox92

[Babylon]

59 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

 

 

But this guys is my entire point. I'm all for criticising Brendan and want him out. However, with him a few more need to go. The board, for all their good work has not prepared the product for this season and perhaps next. However we want to spin in, the product, meaning the first team, has not competed with its nearest competitor. It just hasnt. We sold our influential, match winning keeper and replaced him with Ward. I would argue that Ward wouldnt get into a few Championship sides. 

 

We have assets which are now about to potentially strengthen our competitors and raised us little or no funds. We are unable to compete with even the new kids on the block. 

 

I have read all the reasons but simply put, if we are unable to compete, the board for all its praise over the last few years should also be criticised. If they've done it to appease Brendan then there is significant error in judgement there. That is the point I am trying to make. How we have operated this summer is not normal nor should it be acceptable.  

 

But something like this was entirely predictable, see my post from two years ago. It's what happens when a club attempts to compete at the top end whilst investing in infrastructure, without the huge income or the sugar daddy.  

 

"It's a very fine balance of investing in the team and investing in the infrastructure, there will be ups and downs. When at times we've gone too far one way or the other, but sometimes they will be necessary. We could have pumped all out money into the team and not bothered with the stadium and training ground. But that's risking short term thinking, and all the good that's happened could be gone with a few bad transfer windows."

 

Without the full picture it's hard to point fingers and criticise as harshly as you are. For instance the contingency fund we had could have got spunked on Vestergaard. Players could have turned down moves to allow us to take a profit. We simply don't know, and when attempting to strike such a finely balanced strategy it doesn't take much to screw things up... see covid, FFP being brought in in a rush. 

 

 

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

 

 

But this guys is my entire point. I'm all for criticising Brendan and want him out. However, with him a few more need to go. The board, for all their good work has not prepared the product for this season and perhaps next. However we want to spin in, the product, meaning the first team, has not competed with its nearest competitor. It just hasnt. We sold our influential, match winning keeper and replaced him with Ward. I would argue that Ward wouldnt get into a few Championship sides. 

 

We have assets which are now about to potentially strengthen our competitors and raised us little or no funds. We are unable to compete with even the new kids on the block. 

 

I have read all the reasons but simply put, if we are unable to compete, the board for all its praise over the last few years should also be criticised. If they've done it to appease Brendan then there is significant error in judgement there. That is the point I am trying to make. How we have operated this summer is not normal nor should it be acceptable.  

I do agree with you btw and agree with your post there.

 

Board are to blame too. I said this in another thread. No other side wanting to "compete" for top 6, or whatever our board think, would have let their main goalkeeper leave without getting a replacement. It's all bonkers.

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

Selling a key player, for profit, each summer is good until we stop buying players as good just to replace them. And that seems to be where we are at now.

Our recruitment last summer was horrendous and I've seen nothing to suggest it would have improved this summer.

 

Southampton used to be great at doing it (they sell Lallana but they buy Mane, etc) but they don't recruit the same type of player anymore and I feel that's where we are heading.

...then you would say bringing Glover from Southampton will continue to only perpetuate our current failings!!!

[Grebfromgrebland]

I'd say Perez is our best option on the wing right now. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

6 minutes ago, Babylon said:

 

But something like this was entirely predictable, see my post from two years ago. It's what happens when a club attempts to compete at the top end whilst investing in infrastructure, without the huge income or the sugar daddy.  

 

"It's a very fine balance of investing in the team and investing in the infrastructure, there will be ups and downs. When at times we've gone too far one way or the other, but sometimes they will be necessary. We could have pumped all out money into the team and not bothered with the stadium and training ground. But that's risking short term thinking, and all the good that's happened could be gone with a few bad transfer windows."

 

Without the full picture it's hard to point fingers and criticise as harshly as you are. For instance the contingency fund we had could have got spunked on Vestergaard. Players could have turned down moves to allow us to take a profit. We simply don't know, and when attempting to strike such a finely balanced strategy it doesn't take much to screw things up... see covid, FFP being brought in in a rush. 

 

 

And again, your post from two years ago is completely right. Its all about risk taking. That risk taking sometimes comes off (one we have seen is Fofana - £32m on a 19 year old is a risk but that risk came off and is about to fetch us around £75/80m). It happens in businesses in all industries, all around the world. 

 

The point I am making that regardless of one considers to be fair or not, we are within our rights as supporters/stakeholders of this football club to criticise our current state. And going back to my original point. As much as I am against him and hold him accountable for our current state, so is Brendan. A PL manager should never be expected not to add to his squad when his nearest competitors (like the West Ham's, Everton's Palace, Brighton, Villa - not even taking into account United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man C, Spurs) are doing so. While I criticise him, I can sympathise with his current demeanour. Hell if I was working in an industry - paid handsomely but expected to deliver and those resources I expected to have with him were all of a sudden withdrawn, I'm considering a new job. Personally, I wish he would too but I can understand the frustration. I can also understand the criticism - the risk right now, has failed. Long term, we may benefit but it requires us to maintain our PL status and competitiveness. Otherwise, showing a Chris Wood equivalent around Seagrave offers us a very little advantage. 

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

Selling a key player, for profit, each summer is good until we stop buying players as good just to replace them. And that seems to be where we are at now.

Our recruitment last summer was horrendous and I've seen nothing to suggest it would have improved this summer.

 

Southampton used to be great at doing it (they sell Lallana but they buy Mane, etc) but they don't recruit the same type of player anymore and I feel that's where we are heading.

Was Soyuncu better than Maguire? Ndidi better than Kante? Anyone better than Mahrez? Castagne better than Chilwell.

 

We’ve rarely bought better than what we had, we we did was get a capable replacement and then strengthened another area of the team to improve to collective

[sacreblueits442]

24 minutes ago, MonkeyTennis? said:

Brendan needs to go because of his tactical weaknesses - his setups and subs are too rigid; as a team we lack grit; we default to a toothless, possession based game; we're still weak at defending set pieces. He actually has lots of strengths as a manager - which contributed to some great successes for us - but now the weaknesses are overwhelming, he doesn't have the answers, and we need a new approach to coaching and tactics. Desperately.

 

 

All that said, I just don't believe that Brendan is a criminal mastermind who is single-handedly responsible for every bad decision that's ever been made at the club, from contracts and recruitment to misplaced passes. Yeah he plays a role, but focusing completely on him is wishful thinking, IMHO. 

 

 

...we continue to focus on the board and the various departments involved in running this club because the on-pitch performances are so dire!!!

We do not investigate problems that we have little or no real information about unless what we see once a week every Saturday is not what we have paid for or expect to see. If we keep on winning (as supporters) we will look no further than the next game coming up.

  To a large degree, it is good that this situation has come to a head, it has prevented Rodgers from going into the market and has made us aware that the aim to be sustainable, is not an easy road to travel and little mishaps along the way, can easily derail us.