Kings of the Midlands

[SkidsFox]

3 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Problem is they changed a lot of the county borders in the 70s, which was changed by committee in London mostly and screwed up a lot of borders. Hence why Middlesbrough technically lies in Yorkshire now, despite it obviously culturally being in the North East.

 

North Lincolnshire which contains Scunthorpe and Grimsby only got incorporated to Lincolnshire in the 70s I think. It used to be part of Yorkshire.

 

I agree Lincolnshire is definitely the Midlands but I wouldn’t class North Lincolnshire and places like Scunthorpe and Grimsby as midlands, they always felt much more culturally Yorkshire than Lincoln does.

 

East Midlands counties are Leicestershire, Rutland, Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, Northamptonshire and Lincolnshire.

 

But I wouldn’t include North Lincolnshire in that.. I would also still count that part of old Derbyshire which contains Burton-upon-Trent which also got changed to Staffordshire in the 70s as East Mids.

Really North Lincs should be called Humberside, same as Hull. Not really Midlands, but a different feel to much of Yorkshire too.

[Finnegan]

Not really sure the need to debate the definition of the Midlands. The East and West Midlands are official regions of England with clear borders as defined by the ONS. 

 

The East is Djúraby, Leics, Lincs (excluding the unitary authorities of North and North East Lincs - again, both with clear borders), Northants, Notts and Rutland (which definitely isn't Leics.)

 

The West is Herefordshire, Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, West Mids and Worcestershire.

 

Edited 23 May 2022 by Finnegan
I've been begrudgingly reminded that Derby exists.

[Sampson]

9 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Not really sure the need to debate the definition of the Midlands. The East and West Midlands are official regions of England with clear borders as defined by the ONS. 

 

The East is Leics, Lincs (excluding the unitary authorities of North and North East Lincs - again, both with clear borders), Northants, Notts and Rutland (which definitely isn't Leics.)

 

The West is Herefordshire, Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, West Mids and Worcestershire.

Nice to know Derbyshire no longer exists. 

[Yes]

12 minutes ago, SkidsFox said:

Yep. Not a great feeling, but it looks like Villa could be top dogs next season for Midlands clubs. Unless we get our act together of course, but that will depend on our transfer dealings.

I feel like Villa will fall into that Everton sort of trap, they’ll spend big but not particularly well and while they’ll often have a decent team on paper it just doesn’t quite click.

 

Those in charge at Wolves maybe not quite as ambitious as their fans first thought so I don’t know if they’ll progress much further. 

 

Think we’ll finish above both for the foreseeable future.

[Finnegan]

1 minute ago, Sampson said:

Nice to know Derbyshire no longer exists. 

 

Derb... Darb... Derh... no sorry, never heard of it.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

3 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Nice to know Derbyshire no longer exists. 

Had to sell the county to pay for Mrs. Rooney's legal fees.

[Voll Blau]

20 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Problem is they changed a lot of the county borders in the 70s, which was changed by committee in London mostly and screwed up a lot of borders. Hence why Middlesbrough technically lies in Yorkshire now, despite it obviously culturally being in the North East.

 

North Lincolnshire which contains Scunthorpe and Grimsby only got incorporated to Lincolnshire in the 70s I think. It used to be part of Yorkshire.

 

I agree Lincolnshire is definitely the Midlands but I wouldn’t class North Lincolnshire and places like Scunthorpe and Grimsby as midlands, they always felt much more culturally Yorkshire than Lincoln does.

 

East Midlands counties are Leicestershire, Rutland, Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, Northamptonshire and Lincolnshire.

 

But I wouldn’t include North Lincolnshire in that.. I would also still count that part of old Derbyshire which contains Burton-upon-Trent which also got changed to Staffordshire in the 70s as East Mids.

Actually, it's the other way round. Middlesbrough was historically in Yorkshire and then became part of Cleveland and Scunthorpe/Grimsby were in Lincolnshire and became part of Humberside. Since then, further local government reforms and the introduction of unitary authorities etc have fragmented a lot of historic counties even further.

 

Historic county boundaries are on the map below...

 

https://gazetteer.org.uk/map/

[SkidsFox]

43 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Actually, it's the other way round. Middlesbrough was historically in Yorkshire and then became part of Cleveland and Scunthorpe/Grimsby were in Lincolnshire and became part of Humberside. Since then, further local government reforms and the introduction of unitary authorities etc have fragmented a lot of historic counties even further.

 

Historic county boundaries are on the map below...

 

https://gazetteer.org.uk/map/

(Great) Grimsby was an independent county borough until 1974, when it became part of Humberside. It was only in 1996 when it became part of north-east Linconshire.

[Wolfox]

4 hours ago, Sampson said:

Problem is they changed a lot of the county borders in the 70s, which was changed by committee in London mostly and screwed up a lot of borders. Hence why Middlesbrough technically lies in Yorkshire now, despite it obviously culturally being in the North East.

 

North Lincolnshire which contains Scunthorpe and Grimsby only got incorporated to Lincolnshire in the 70s I think. It used to be part of Yorkshire.

 

I agree Lincolnshire is definitely the Midlands but I wouldn’t class North Lincolnshire and places like Scunthorpe and Grimsby as midlands, they always felt much more culturally Yorkshire than Lincoln does.

 

East Midlands counties are Leicestershire, Rutland, Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, Northamptonshire and Lincolnshire.

 

But I wouldn’t include North Lincolnshire in that.. I would also still count that part of old Derbyshire which contains Burton-upon-Trent which also got changed to Staffordshire in the 70s as East Mids.

Interesting…. I never knew North Lincs was actually South Humberside prior to the new regions being drawn up…

 

Derbyshire has had relatively  consistent  borders…. The Dore stone (in Dore - south of Sheffield) was literally the gateway to Northumberland, so, was always part of north Mercia going all the way across including most of Cheshire (now considered northern)….   Mercia was the Midlands of course…
 

Glossop actually voted to remain part of Derbyshire as opposed to joining greater Manchester…. No doubt in my mind that if you’re in Derbyshire then your north of the East Midlands region…. Some dispute it though 

 

 

Edited 23 May 2022 by Wolfox

[Merging Cultures]

22 minutes ago, SkidsFox said:

(Great) Grimsby was an independent county borough until 1974, when it became part of Humberside. It was only in 1996 when it became part of north-east Linconshire.

Map men, map men, map men....

[bovril]

Really enjoying this geography chat

[ceredigion]

4 hours ago, Wolfox said:

Historically Lincolnshire has always been an east Mids county…. A bit odd since it contains places like Scunthorpe (feels northern) and Skegvegas (which you can see from Hunstanton…

 

Derbyshire is an interesting one…. Glossop is further north than Sheffield and feels like a Manchester commuter town…. High peak people can identify as northern despite residing in the East Mids

 

Borders can provoke heavy discussion 😆 

 

 

Lincolnshire is certainly one of the largest English counties by area (I think only Yorkshire and Devon are larger) so it's bound to contain its fair share of variation and no doubt the south west of the county where it abuts the Vale of Belvoir feels very different from the north east parts along the Humber estuary. My reason for disqualifying it as a Midland county is that it has a coastline, and a pretty long one at that, and I can't help feeling that a Midland county should be landlocked. 

 

I don't think I heard anyone question Derbyshire's status as a Midland county before though. Yes, it's a ''long'' county and projects quite far into the north but so does Nottinghamshire to an almost equal latitude.

[pkonline]

I recall everyone was raving about Villa's signings last season - and they finished 14th! We shouldn't overestimate a club's transfer window to determine how we think they will do.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

Far as I'm concerned the midlands stretches south to the Home Counties (where the south begins), east to East Anglia (where the East of England begins), West to Wales and north to the Yorkshire and Cheshire borders.

 

Lincolnshire is a strange one, most of it is too far north to be considered truly Midlands, but the south parts of it like Boston, Grantham etc are too far south to be considered the north. Can we just call it northern east anglia and be done?

[MattFox]

BBC East Mids covers all of Derbyshire except Glossop, Chesterfield and Bolsover, all of Nottinghamshire except Bassetlaw and only Southern Lincolnshire (Grantham)

 

Worksop and Chesterfield are both more United/Wednesday than Forest or Derby.

 

Probably more Derby fans in Burton/ East Staffs than North Derbyshire.

 

Likewise there’s more Forest fans in South Lincolnshire than North Notts 

Edited 23 May 2022 by MattFox

[Tielemans63]

1 hour ago, pkonline said:

I recall everyone was raving about Villa's signings last season - and they finished 14th! We shouldn't overestimate a club's transfer window to determine how we think they will do.

Yep, remember when some were raging that we weren't in for Leon Bailey?

 

[Vlad the Fox]

1 minute ago, Tielemans63 said:

Yep, remember when some were raging that we weren't in for Leon Bailey?

 

I can remember when many were raging about us not signing some striker who’s name I can’t remember when released from his club. He eventually went to a team in league 1 and was never heard of again.  

[LestaAl]

…..Really enjoying the lincs history debate….Not

[Gamble92]

Really hope we don't turn into Forest and just ride off our achievements despite being utter shit for 40 years

[HybridFox]

5 hours ago, bovril said:

Really enjoying this geography chat

At least there's some justification with the arguments. London tw**s think we're all just North 

[ParkerPen]

1 hour ago, LestaAl said:

…..Really enjoying the lincs history debate….Not

better than reading for the millionth time " we need a RW and CB"

[Richard]

Jesus when’s the new season starting 

[Manwell Pablo]

On 10/05/2021 at 10:12, jmono84 said:

I remember seeing ‘pride of the midlands’ car badges when going to a skeggy which shows a person wearing a midland football shirt pissing on other midland football shirts on the floor. I remember seeing the Leicester one and at this time we were league one or championship and thinking we were so far off being the best team from the midlands!!

 

Look at how far we have come!!

Ive never got what would posses you to have that sticker in your car.

 

May as well have one saying “please key my passenger side door”

Edited 23 May 2022 by Manwell Pablo

[Manwell Pablo]

I mean as Finners has pointed out the East and West Midlands are both official area of England with borders, so what’s in it isn’t really a matter of opinion 😂 

Edited 23 May 2022 by Manwell Pablo

[Sampson]

9 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

I mean as Finners has pointed out the East and West Midlands are both official area of England with borders, so what’s in it isn’t really a matter of opinion 😂 

Because the borders change all the time and many places are still culturally different or have councils different to their borders. There are also several different types of counties (ceremonial, municipal etc.) which people don’t agree on.I mean Burton-upon-Trent still has a Derbyshire postcode and no one outside weirdos genuinely thinks Middlesbrough is in Yorkshire.