Kings of the Midlands

[Leicesterpool]

Sometimes fan bases can be key, funny thing about cov fans what I've noticed for weeks, months or years you wont see a cov shirt. Soon as they get promotion or reach a final out they come out of the wood work. 

[TrentFox]

Derby could yet fo lower if they lose their fight re FFP breaches! Wycombe are considering legal action, allegedly 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞

[fox_up_north]

I'm slightly spoiled as I spent long enough in Lincolnshire to have them as a second team - enjoyed seeing them absolutely plummet to non league. You think League One for us was bad, try watching Lincoln v Grimsby as a local derby on a muddy pitch. Got to see them in a cup final win at Wembley though. 

And I dare say I'll be doing the same for City this weekend....

[Stadt]

16 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

How does that list look based on only the last 40 years?!

 

All-time honours lists can be pretty deceptive.
 

If judged in recent times (the last 25 years) there aren’t many outside the ‘Big Six’ that can match our trophy haul - if we added another next Saturday I think it would be undisputed.

Villa 21

Forest 11

Wolves 9

West Brom 7

 

Post war 

 

Villa 8

Forest 8

Wolves 7

Leicester 4

 

 

We're the 12th most successful club going on trophies won post war. If we win on Saturday we go level with Leeds as the 11th.

 

 

 

Edited 11 May 2021 by Stadt

[Kilworthfox]

If we are going to judge success via competitions won, lets be fair about it, because as much as we like to win 3 league cups, they do not equate fairly to the League Championships that Villa, Leicester, Derby & Forest have all won, let alone the European cups from Villa & Forest. 

[Spudulike]

2 minutes ago, Kilworthfox said:

If we are going to judge success via competitions won, lets be fair about it, because as much as we like to win 3 league cups, they do not equate fairly to the League Championships that Villa, Leicester, Derby & Forest have all won, let alone the European cups from Villa & Forest. 

It's like the the endless big club, small club argument (big cup, small cup) that can never be concluded. 

 

I tend to look at this League  as the best measure of success given that football was invented in 1992.

[Kilworthfox]

10 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

It's like the the endless big club, small club argument (big cup, small cup) that can never be concluded. 

 

I tend to look at this League  as the best measure of success given that football was invented in 1992.

Sickening that they have Wimbledon as MK Dons 

[Wolfox]

On 10/05/2021 at 10:11, 5waller5 said:

Think I’d have Notts County instead of Oxford in that list?

Is Oxford Midlands?

 

How about Grimsby Town?  They’re in Lincs

[Foxxed]

On 10/05/2021 at 12:44, Fox92 said:

Oxford ain't midlands. It's near bloody Swindon.

 

Mansfield, Chesterfield and Notts County are though.

I've never included Oxford in the midlands.  I don't include Cambridge, Leamington, Lincoln or Chesterfield either. No real logic to it. These places never felt like midlands to me. I can't really explain not including Leamington. I once met a guy from there who spoke with a southern accent and I subsequently banished the entire city to the south. But I will include Bedford, Northampton and Stoke in the midlands.

 

 

Edited 11 May 2021 by Foxxed

[Foxxed]

If you include Oxford in the midlands you may as well include Banbury, Bichester, Milton Keynes and Buckingham. I don't even want these places in the midlands. I know the football isn't up to that much currently but I'm not sure I even want to invade the south. We could swap Peterborough for Milton Keynes though. Peterborough was a depressing, depressing place last time I was there. Milton Keynes, I've been advised, has a couple of decent boozers.

[Stadt]

1 hour ago, Kilworthfox said:

If we are going to judge success via competitions won, lets be fair about it, because as much as we like to win 3 league cups, they do not equate fairly to the League Championships that Villa, Leicester, Derby & Forest have all won, let alone the European cups from Villa & Forest. 

I agree, there’s no definitive measure. League position and cup success together are what distinguishes a club as successful. Spurs have finished above us every year bar two or three over the last decade but we’ve had a more successful decade. Had they won an FA cup, or even a League cup - they’re the club with the better decade 

 

[foxfanazer]

Hallelujah. Just a shame we can never win the Cloughie Cup 

[HybridFox]

We reign supreme again 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Getting on for a decade of dominance now, not sure I can see anyone challenging us any time soon either.

[Oxfordfox83]

On 10/05/2021 at 10:44, Fox92 said:

Oxford ain't midlands. It's near bloody Swindon.

 

Just seen this 

[ren]

20 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Getting on for a decade of dominance now, not sure I can see anyone challenging us any time soon either.

Villa are chucking a lot of money at it and making some serious signings, but I agree. Not convinced Gerrard will do anything too extraordinary in the next few years there.

[HybridFox]

Wolves are probably our closest challengers in terms of league position. But fall short in challenging for genuine trophies. I think Villa will always be a bit up down. 

[The Fox Covert]

On 10/05/2021 at 10:44, Fox92 said:

Oxford ain't midlands. It's near bloody Swindon.

 

Mansfield, Chesterfield and Notts County are though.

The folks in Oxford wouldn't think they are in the Midlands either. North of Oxford the Midlands starts somewhere between Banbury (not in the Midlands) and Stratford (definitely in the Midlands). Oxford's main rivals are Swindon and Reading. Sort of West Home Counties.

[ceredigion]

I think the following counties can be regarded as constituting the Midlands:

Leicestershire

Rutland

Nottinghamshire

Derbyshire

Warwickshire

Staffordshire

Northamptonshire

Worcestershire

Shropshire

 

There are other counties that are sometimes described as being Midland counties, namely Lincolnshire, Gloucestershire and Oxfordshire but I would place Lincolnshire as an East Anglian county along with Norfolk, Suffolk, Huntingdonshire and Cambridgeshire. I would place Gloucestershire as a West Country county along with Cornwall, Devon, Somerset, Dorset and Wiltshire. Oxfordshire seems to me to belong in the same group as Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Berkshire and Hertfordshire but there isn't really a geographical expression which unifies them. The 6 Home Counties are Hampshire, Sussex, Kent, Essex, Surrey and Middlesex and the counties of the North of England are Cheshire, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Westmoreland, Cumberland, Durham and Northumberland.

[bovril]

8 minutes ago, ceredigion said:

I think the following counties can be regarded as constituting the Midlands:

Leicestershire

Rutland

Nottinghamshire

Derbyshire

Warwickshire

Staffordshire

Northamptonshire

Worcestershire

Shropshire

 

There are other counties that are sometimes described as being Midland counties, namely Lincolnshire, Gloucestershire and Oxfordshire but I would place Lincolnshire as an East Anglian county along with Norfolk, Suffolk, Huntingdonshire and Cambridgeshire. I would place Gloucestershire as a West Country county along with Cornwall, Devon, Somerset, Dorset and Wiltshire. Oxfordshire seems to me to belong in the same group as Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Berkshire and Hertfordshire but there isn't really a geographical expression which unifies them. The 6 Home Counties are Hampshire, Sussex, Kent, Essex, Surrey and Middlesex and the counties of the North of England are Cheshire, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Westmoreland, Cumberland, Durham and Northumberland.

Lincolnshire is not East Anglia. Parts of the Fens feel pretty East Anglian but I'd put them in the East Midlands. Modern day East Anglia should really correspond with the borders of the old Anglo-Saxon kingdom, so Norfolk and Suffolk. I'd accept east Cambridgeshire and north Essex though. 

[Wolfox]

6 minutes ago, ceredigion said:

I think the following counties can be regarded as constituting the Midlands:

Leicestershire

Rutland

Nottinghamshire

Derbyshire

Warwickshire

Staffordshire

Northamptonshire

Worcestershire

Shropshire

 

There are other counties that are sometimes described as being Midland counties, namely Lincolnshire, Gloucestershire and Oxfordshire but I would place Lincolnshire as an East Anglian county along with Norfolk, Suffolk, Huntingdonshire and Cambridgeshire. I would place Gloucestershire as a West Country county along with Cornwall, Devon, Somerset, Dorset and Wiltshire. Oxfordshire seems to me to belong in the same group as Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Berkshire and Hertfordshire but there isn't really a geographical expression which unifies them. The 6 Home Counties are Hampshire, Sussex, Kent, Essex, Surrey and Middlesex and the counties of the North of England are Cheshire, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Westmoreland, Cumberland, Durham and Northumberland.

Historically Lincolnshire has always been an east Mids county…. A bit odd since it contains places like Scunthorpe (feels northern) and Skegvegas (which you can see from Hunstanton…

 

Derbyshire is an interesting one…. Glossop is further north than Sheffield and feels like a Manchester commuter town…. High peak people can identify as northern despite residing in the East Mids

 

Borders can provoke heavy discussion 😆 

 

 

[Arriba Los Zorros]

43 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Getting on for a decade of dominance now, not sure I can see anyone challenging us any time soon either.

Well we did only pass Wolves on the final day, so I'd say it's between us and them for the time being. With Villa having the potential to become an established top 10 side too.

 

East Midlands wise, we look to have that in the bag for the foreseeable whether Forest come up or not!

[Stadt]

21 minutes ago, TK95 said:

Wolves are probably our closest challengers in terms of league position. But fall short in challenging for genuine trophies. I think Villa will always be a bit up down. 

Wolves have been shit for ages this season. They started well but completely fell off. Villa's transfer business is hit & miss but they seem committed to getting better unlike about half the league.

 

 

Forest seem quite well run annoyingly. Recruitment is key and they seem adept enough for it. It's why Cov will be in contention for the play offs too.

Edited 23 May 2022 by Stadt

[Sampson]

13 minutes ago, Wolfox said:

Historically Lincolnshire has always been an east Mids county…. A bit odd since it contains places like Scunthorpe (feels northern) and Skegvegas (which you can see from Hunstanton…

 

Derbyshire is an interesting one…. Glossop is further north than Sheffield and feels like a Manchester commuter town…. High peak people can identify as northern despite residing in the East Mids

 

Borders can provoke heavy discussion 😆 

 

 

Problem is they changed a lot of the county borders in the 70s, which was changed by committee in London mostly and screwed up a lot of borders. Hence why Middlesbrough technically lies in Yorkshire now, despite it obviously culturally being in the North East.

 

North Lincolnshire which contains Scunthorpe and Grimsby only got incorporated to Lincolnshire in the 70s I think. It used to be part of Yorkshire.

 

I agree Lincolnshire is definitely the Midlands but I wouldn’t class North Lincolnshire and places like Scunthorpe and Grimsby as midlands, they always felt much more culturally Yorkshire than Lincoln does.

 

East Midlands counties are Leicestershire, Rutland, Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire, Northamptonshire and Lincolnshire.

 

But I wouldn’t include North Lincolnshire in that.. I would also still count that part of old Derbyshire which contains Burton-upon-Trent which also got changed to Staffordshire in the 70s as East Mids.

Edited 23 May 2022 by Sampson

[SkidsFox]

8 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Wolves have been shit for ages this season. They started well but completely fell off. Villa's transfer business is hit & miss but they seem committed to getting better unlike about half the league.

Yep. Not a great feeling, but it looks like Villa could be top dogs next season for Midlands clubs. Unless we get our act together of course, but that will depend on our transfer dealings.