Maddison

[Guest Manley Farrington-Brown]

6 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

only want committed players at the club

While I know what you mean, this is unrealistic. On that basis you wouldn’t have wanted Kante!

They’re professional footballers. It’s their job. Some of them inevitably would rather be working somewhere else, but that’ll be true for all workplaces, and as long as they do their job while here, that’s fair enough.

[Ric Flair]

34 minutes ago, Greg2607 said:

i'm with you on this. There were times last season where we looked better without Maddison.  IF we can re-invest with attacking talent to start AND to bring off the bench, then I think it's a win for us.  

 

We have lacked squad depth in the attacking 3rd for a while, so maybe it's a case of selling one player to buy two or more....  of all the players who would be attractive to other teams, Maddison is the one I would feel most comfortable with losing. 

 

Would I prefer him to stay? possibly....  depends which maddison turns up this year.

Erm when was this? What games? The best football we played last season was from mid December to middle of February where him and Barnes were electric. 

 

We were decent in the first stint at 3 at the back at the start of last season but it wasn't as dazzling and he played his part in a fair amount of those games anyway. Had a huge hand in 2 goals away at Leeds, scored and won a pen away at Man City, was he the one who threaded and unreal ball for Ünder to cross to Vardy for the winner at Arsenal? So actually he was involved in most of our impressive play last season.

[ClaphamFox]

Anybody who thinks we won’t miss Maddison is in for a massive shock if he does go.

[weller54]

41 minutes ago, damolcfc said:

Dont need him, we got perez 😉

He a no drama person.... as long as Morgan dont have lockdown parties....😄 (blaming Morgan 😆)

Remember...without perez we have no trophy... 

It was his flick with his (hip) quite a skilful move I'll let you know! That set up the f a cup goal!

What's maddison done?? 😉😉

Just a distant memory 🤪

If I send you my address can you send me some of what you're smoking please.

😂

[gerblod]

10 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Lot of chat with little substance.

I would've thought this forum was the totally appropriate venue for speculation, rumour and first reports of potential transfers. The ensuing discussions and arguments arising from those subjects are what makes Foxes Talk Transfer Talk tick..tock.

 

Whether or not Arsenal are that interested in Madders, we City supporters are - especially those of us who separate his ebullient ego from his immense talent. Seems the London luvvies have a great interest in seeing him move - and that won't be for his footballing prowess, but his potential for scandal.

Maddison's loss would be greater than City's. Seems to me he'd be attaching his current falling star to a club in long-term decline and seeing a transfer of a someone with sporadic potential as a way of placating the fans - especially those who fork out a fortune to watch a collection of expensive players failing to mesh under a manager failing to become a manager. No way Arteta is going to make a Gucci bag out of a piggy-eared silk purse if Brendan can't do it.

I might be sad to see him go but, atm, he just seems like an unsettling influence on the squad.

 

[ozleicester]

6 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

I've not got LCFC in my Twitter bio and can confirm I've not signed for Arsenal.

Hmm... no smoke without fire ive heard... 

[Guest ttfn]

26 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Erm when was this? What games? The best football we played last season was from mid December to middle of February where him and Barnes were electric. 

 

We were decent in the first stint at 3 at the back at the start of last season but it wasn't as dazzling and he played his part in a fair amount of those games anyway. Had a huge hand in 2 goals away at Leeds, scored and won a pen away at Man City, was he the one who threaded and unreal ball for Ünder to cross to Vardy for the winner at Arsenal? So actually he was involved in most of our impressive play last season.

You’ve talked about 5 goals there Ric, one of which (Arsenal) you’ve mistaken for something Tielemans did and 2 of which are him taking contact on the edge of the penalty area in the 90th minute to win penalties that put us 3 goals up against tired and demoralised opponents. This is not evidence of a player we should be turning our noses up at (hypothetically) £60m for. Interestingly both the Leeds and Man City games he started as a sub before coming into a more open game and having an impact with a great pass to Vardy in the Leeds game and a brilliant goal at Man City.

 

That said there are plenty of other examples of where he was very good and as you suggest was a real difference maker for us in that period either side of Christmas. We definitely look our best when he is fit and firing, the problem with Maddison is and always has been that it is never for long enough. For every game he played well in from November to January there’s another we carried him through in a different part of the season. 

[deep blue]

1 hour ago, Old Fox said:

Quite probably a good deal for all!

 

Rodgers may have decided that he can be replaced as he maybe talented but his baggage is not something that sits within the managers ethos even if publicly he is supportive.

 

If we get £60m+ then we get enough to replace him and he gets his wish a big high profile move. Whether we like it or not Arsenal are bigger than us due to its history and being in London - we can compete on the field and with this ownership maybe in 10 years we maybe more attractive globally.

 

as long as we reinvest I think it’s a great deal as despite his talent he’s a pain in gge arse and if he wants the move let him go - no one should ever be bigger than the club!

I agree with this and have a feeling that Madders is destined to end up in London eventually.

 

My concern is that, if he goes, there's a lot of creativity that we need to replace, not necessarily with a like-for-like but probably with a couple of players who have the ability to "break the lines".  Will we get enough for him to adequately fund this, will the players we target still be available by then, and will we have enough time to bring in those replacements and to assimilate them into the squad before the season gets much underway?

[midland_red]

2 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Wouldn’t be surprised if a driving factor in moving to Arsenal and London would be his American girlfriend. I think that’s probably one of the more understandable reasons given she’s publicly said how difficult she finds lived in Nottingham. Likely to have more friends in London with her career as a model 

Well yes....if she is from say Cleveland or Buffalo or Gary then Nottingham perhaps reminds her too much of home.....

Edited 4 August 2021 by midland_red

[Guest Manley Farrington-Brown]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

Lot of chat with little substance.

tbf though this could be said about every thread on every forum about everything across the whole internet ever.

 

In fact in just six words you’ve pretty much summed up modern society.

[mozartfox]

29 minutes ago, weller54 said:

If I send you my address can you send me some of what you're smoking please.

😂

Better stuff available from ArsenalTV and the various Gunners Fans Forums.

[MGLCFC]

I think Maddison is a talented footballer, but could turn out to be the new Jack Wilshire. 

£70m gives you the funds to make the squad have real depth. With another £20m of other sales that's £90m.

You can get Berardi, Pereira and Tarkowski for that and maybe have a bit of change!

Edited 4 August 2021 by MGLCFC

[roblcfc84]

50 minutes ago, Manley Farrington-Brown said:

When he’s fit and in form you don’t ‘fit him in,’ he’s one of those players you build your team around. Tielemans (in a very different way) is probably the only other one of those we have, now Vardy isn’t what he was.

 

Injury record fair enough to question.

’Off-the-field incidents?’ Apart from going to a party, what others? And do you think they should move Barnes on too then?

Inconsistent performances - I think these are related to the injury, don’t you? When fit, he seems pretty consistent - consistently rubbish at corners, but also consistently the most likely to create something.

Do you build a team around him? I think it is more likely BR will have a way of playing and play the players most suited to that formation. If he goes 433 as he did on Saturday you struggle to see how he fits in, same with a 442 unless it’s a diamond. 532 you can make more of a case but then you are leaving out Barnes.  I’m fairly confident Soumare will become a starter so like I say it’s difficult to fit him in. You have to play a system to accommodate him. 
 

With regard to off the field incidents there has been more than one. Something happened on England duty I recall. I do think his form had a lot to do with injury but I also feel that compared to the first season something has changed. 
 

I'm not saying he’s not a great player, my point is there are legitimate reasons why I could see the club considering a big offer. 

[mozartfox]

2 hours ago, Sly said:

If he goes, it would be about money.

 

Arsenal are a big brand, however outside of that, they aren’t the same draw they were 10 years ago. 
 

I’ll state it again, I think within 5 years, Tottenham will outgrow them and would be a better, more attractive option for any player. 

This new London Cup is a greater pull than you think....

[Ric Flair]

16 minutes ago, ttfn said:

You’ve talked about 5 goals there Ric, one of which (Arsenal) you’ve mistaken for something Tielemans did and 2 of which are him taking contact on the edge of the penalty area in the 90th minute to win penalties that put us 3 goals up against tired and demoralised opponents. This is not evidence of a player we should be turning our noses up at (hypothetically) £60m for. Interestingly both the Leeds and Man City games he started as a sub before coming into a more open game and having an impact with a great pass to Vardy in the Leeds game and a brilliant goal at Man City.

 

That said there are plenty of other examples of where he was very good and as you suggest was a real difference maker for us in that period either side of Christmas. We definitely look our best when he is fit and firing, the problem with Maddison is and always has been that it is never for long enough. For every game he played well in from November to January there’s another we carried him through in a different part of the season. 

I was responding to the statement that we played better at times last season without him and I'm querying when this was, given he was a mainstay in the team from December to February and him and Barnes were phenomenal.

 

So I'm assuming it was the start of the season and he featured in a lot of those games from the bench or started a few of them. Our performances at the start were very mixed and as I said the most impressive games were Man City and Leeds away but he played his part in those. I stand corrected on the Arsenal one but having just looked at our results last season I think the poster must be mistaken.

 

We need to be very careful this season, we pride ourselves on being an attacking side but we lose Maddison and with the lack of goals from the right wing and quite quickly we'll be under pressure. Vardy is another question mark because if he doesn't find his form it's going to be a dilemma for Rodgers having to drop him. The vast majority of our goals from when Rodgers joined up to Xmas 2020 were finished off by Vardy. 

 

Likewise defensively we look vulnerable without Evans so quite quickly we could be under pressure at both ends and then things get quite precarious. 

 

There's a section of our fans who have never taken to Maddison, but be careful what you wish for as players like him aren't easy to replace. His off the field antics have made it tempting to want him gone but at the same time we demand our team challenge for the top 6 and that's not easy. He's one of our best players and I've a feeling this season will be his best yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ric Flair]

19 minutes ago, roblcfc84 said:

Do you build a team around him? I think it is more likely BR will have a way of playing and play the players most suited to that formation. If he goes 433 as he did on Saturday you struggle to see how he fits in, same with a 442 unless it’s a diamond. 532 you can make more of a case but then you are leaving out Barnes.  I’m fairly confident Soumare will become a starter so like I say it’s difficult to fit him in. You have to play a system to accommodate him. 
 

With regard to off the field incidents there has been more than one. Something happened on England duty I recall. I do think his form had a lot to do with injury but I also feel that compared to the first season something has changed. 
 

I'm not saying he’s not a great player, my point is there are legitimate reasons why I could see the club considering a big offer. 

4-3-3 only works with 3 forwards that score and assist. We were crap anyway on Saturday until he changed it. 

 

I swear some of our fans are ostriches.  Asking for 4-3-3 with Soumare in there but then moaning when we don't score goals. Baffling.

[SecretPro]

His missus wants to be down in London for her modelling/fashion career. He will be gone.

[mozartfox]

3 hours ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Just looked at Arsenal Mania and looks like Prospect Fox is back answering their queries

I wish he would start posting on FT as 'Prospect Fox'.  It would be magnificent entertainment.

[roblcfc84]

3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

4-3-3 only works with 3 forwards that score and assist. We were crap anyway on Saturday until he changed it. 

 

I swear some of our fans are ostriches.  Asking for 4-3-3 with Soumare in there but then moaning when we don't score goals. Baffling.

I didn’t say that’s what I want, I’m saying it’s an option BR is clearly considering, and if we do sign a decent RW/right forward you could see him using it with Barnes on the other side. My personal opinion is that we look at our best with two up top of which one has to be Nacho because he is capable of receiving the ball a bit deeper, with Vardy/Daka further forward. 

[coolhandfox]

50 minutes ago, gerblod said:

I would've thought this forum was the totally appropriate venue for speculation, rumour and first reports of potential transfers. The ensuing discussions and arguments arising from those subjects are what makes Foxes Talk Transfer Talk tick..tock.

 

Whether or not Arsenal are that interested in Madders, we City supporters are - especially those of us who separate his ebullient ego from his immense talent. Seems the London luvvies have a great interest in seeing him move - and that won't be for his footballing prowess, but his potential for scandal.

Maddison's loss would be greater than City's. Seems to me he'd be attaching his current falling star to a club in long-term decline and seeing a transfer of a someone with sporadic potential as a way of placating the fans - especially those who fork out a fortune to watch a collection of expensive players failing to mesh under a manager failing to become a manager. No way Arteta is going to make a Gucci bag out of a piggy-eared silk purse if Brendan can't do it.

I might be sad to see him go but, atm, he just seems like an unsettling influence on the squad.

 

I have no issue with people discussing it.

 

But find it tedious when people make out their opinion is fact or react to every snippet of misinformation as if it's gospel.

 

[Guest Manley Farrington-Brown]

10 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

His missus wants to be down in London for her modelling/fashion career. He will be gone.

This will be true, because they can’t afford the travel costs from the midlands to London, or to stay in hotels.

[filbertway]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

Anybody who thinks we won’t miss Maddison is in for a massive shock if he does go.

If we're playing 4 3 3 then anyone who expects anything from Maddison will be in for a massive shock.

[Guest ttfn]

9 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I was responding to the statement that we played better at times last season without him and I'm querying when this was, given he was a mainstay in the team from December to February and him and Barnes were phenomenal.

 

So I'm assuming it was the start of the season and he featured in a lot of those games from the bench or started a few of them. Our performances at the start were very mixed and as I said the most impressive games were Man City and Leeds away but he played his part in those. I stand corrected on the Arsenal one but having just looked at our results last season I think the poster must be mistaken.

 

We need to be very careful this season, we pride ourselves on being an attacking side but we lose Maddison and with the lack of goals from the right wing and quite quickly we'll be under pressure. Vardy is another question mark because if he doesn't find his form it's going to be a dilemma for Rodgers having to drop him. The vast majority of our goals from when Rodgers joined up to Xmas 2020 were finished off by Vardy. 

 

Likewise defensively we look vulnerable without Evans so quite quickly we could be under pressure at both ends and then things get quite precarious. 

 

There's a section of our fans who have never taken to Maddison, but be careful what you wish for as players like him aren't easy to replace. His off the field antics have made it tempting to want him gone but at the same time we demand our team challenge for the top 6 and that's not easy. He's one of our best players and I've a feeling this season will be his best yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, definitely not enough goals in the squad without Maddison and with Vardy declining. Then again hopefully Barnes will kick on again this year and stay fit.

 

As you’ve said elsewhere if we shift to a 4-3-3 our right winger basically has to be at least as good as Barnes in terms of output, but for the money we’d get from selling Maddison that is the least I’d hope we can do. That is a gamble but the odds would be stacked in our favour to find somebody capable of that with £60m in our pocket.

[Verumex]

16 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

His missus wants to be down in London for her modelling/fashion career. He will be gone.

She's literally just given birth. I'd imagine her career has been put on hold for at least a year. 

 

You don't up sticks and move to London a week after the birth of your first child. 

 

If this were all happening next summer, with 2 years left on his contract, his parter ready to start working, and him ready to look at the next part of his career, I could see it. But right now, none of it makes any logical sense If you stop and think about it for longer than 10 seconds. 

[FoxesWalk]

18 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

His missus wants to be down in London for her modelling/fashion career. He will be gone.

Which one?