Maddison

[jonthefox]

1 hour ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

I've walked down every street in what I call town (inside the inner ring road), and I've been to Old John.

 

Who's next?

Not such a huge feat

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, ttfn said:

Ok, I’m going to out myself as one of the few people who thinks we should sell him.

 

We don’t have a bottomless pit of cash to

improve the squad and continue to progress. Our entire model as a club is built on selling players who are worth more to other clubs than they are to us. Maguire, Chilwell and Drinkwater are the poster boys in that regard. That doesn’t mean they’re bad players, it just means that we can do better for the money.

 

Maddison falls into that category. He’s invariably brilliant for a 6 week spell every season, decent for another 6 weeks and then somebody we’re painfully wishing back into form for at least half of the season. Arsenal are desperate right now, their fans were mutinous after the ESL business and it seems the Kroenkes have finally decided to throw serious money at the problem.

 

His goals and assists output is decent but no more than that for a top half number 10 on all set pieces (until recently) who doesn’t contribute greatly outside of those metrics. I’ve seen the stat about “most chances created” but a ton of those must have been chipped crosses onto Maguire and Evans’ heads because he’s nowhere near the top of the charts for expected assists since he’s been with us. The quality of those chances is evidently not great.

 

In Soumare, Tielemans and Ndidi we have the making of a truly top class midfield trio without the need for a traditional number 10. Soumare is still a bit of an unknown quantity in this set up but in the case of Tielemans and Ndidi losing them would be absolutely catastrophic to our style of play and efforts to build a team. These are players that are worth more to us than they are to other clubs and must not be sold if we can possibly avoid it.

 

Can we really say the same for Maddison? Is he really a player whose value to us is higher than it is to Arsenal or Spurs? Realistically that’s our market to sell him - he’s not good enough to play regularly for Chelsea (as I’ve said before he’d be at best 4th choice in one of the two positions behind the striker), Manchester United (nowhere near Fernandes), Man City or Liverpool (don’t play with a number 10). Arsenal are a “special purchaser”. They’re desperate but realistically one of only two options available to Maddison if he wants to go and earn more money and/or have a different life experience.

 

If we could get £60m for him I am very confident we could improve the squad to the extent that he would not be missed. That could fund a new winger and a more forward-minded central midfielder than the Tielemans/Ndidi/Soumare triumvirate.

 

Selling good players does not mean that we don’t value them. It means that the value another club has for them is greater than ours. At 24 and with 3 years left on his contract, Maddison’s value may never be higher. Could we miss him next season? Of course. But I trust that armed with £60m we could find a way to make both the starting XI and squad stronger than it is currently.

We have to replace his 15+ goal contributions just to stay as we are, Soumare scores and assists less than Bruce Jenner has had sex changes so we better find a right winger that brings the best part of 25+ goal contributions a season otherwise we can kiss goodbye to another shot at the top 4.

[when_you're_smiling]

5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

We have to replace his 15+ goal contributions just to stay as we are, Soumare scores and assists less than Bruce Jenner has had sex changes so we better find a right winger that brings the best part of 25+ goal contributions a season otherwise we can kiss goodbye to another shot at the top 4.

This. Watched the video of every goal of last season the other day and it brought home how much the fit Maddison and Barnes created for us in the first half of it. We badly missed both in the second half.

[JamesfromlondonLCFC]

2 hours ago, FoxFan98 said:

 

I've genuinely never seen a more obvious photoshop

[Guest ttfn]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

We have to replace his 15+ goal contributions just to stay as we are, Soumare scores and assists less than Bruce Jenner has had sex changes so we better find a right winger that brings the best part of 25+ goal contributions a season otherwise we can kiss goodbye to another shot at the top 4.

Well we have to find a right winger with maybe 16 goal contributions if Maddison was producing 15. We were very close both years. In fact if we can find a player who is more decisive in big games then it would be an even lower amount. 

 

I would suggest that with somebody else taking set pieces that’s 3-4 goal contributions that will automatically be replaced, much in the same way that if Vardy left we wouldn’t have to replace all of his goals from penalties.

 

If we can’t find a winger capable of 12-15 goal contributions from open play then we shouldn’t be spending £40m on them, it’s as simple as that. If that player does not exist we shouldn’t sell Maddison, I’m absolutely convinced that they do.

[midland_red]

12 minutes ago, jonthefox said:

Not such a huge feat

Ah..

But do you know why it is  called Every Street?

[DezFox]

No I don’t think he will leave at all but 100% don’t sell for me. People saying if we need a number 10 or not the answer is yes. When he is fully fit we are so much better with h in side. When he isn’t fit we can look very very ordinary. His fitness wasn’t there last year like a lot of players. Get that back and he will be class again.

[Red Squirrel]

14 minutes ago, ttfn said:

Ok, I’m going to out myself as one of the few people who thinks we should sell him.

 

We don’t have a bottomless pit of cash to

improve the squad and continue to progress. Our entire model as a club is built on selling players who are worth more to other clubs than they are to us. Maguire, Chilwell and Drinkwater are the poster boys in that regard. That doesn’t mean they’re bad players, it just means that we can do better for the money.

 

Maddison falls into that category. He’s invariably brilliant for a 6 week spell every season, decent for another 6 weeks and then somebody we’re painfully wishing back into form for at least half of the season. Arsenal are desperate right now, their fans were mutinous after the ESL business and it seems the Kroenkes have finally decided to throw serious money at the problem.

 

His goals and assists output is decent but no more than that for a top half number 10 on all set pieces (until recently) who doesn’t contribute greatly outside of those metrics. I’ve seen the stat about “most chances created” but a ton of those must have been chipped crosses onto Maguire and Evans’ heads because he’s nowhere near the top of the charts for expected assists since he’s been with us. The quality of those chances is evidently not great.

 

In Soumare, Tielemans and Ndidi we have the making of a truly top class midfield trio without the need for a traditional number 10. Soumare is still a bit of an unknown quantity in this set up but in the case of Tielemans and Ndidi losing them would be absolutely catastrophic to our style of play and efforts to build a team. These are players that are worth more to us than they are to other clubs and must not be sold if we can possibly avoid it.

 

Can we really say the same for Maddison? Is he really a player whose value to us is higher than it is to Arsenal or Spurs? Realistically that’s our market to sell him - he’s not good enough to play regularly for Chelsea (as I’ve said before he’d be at best 4th choice in one of the two positions behind the striker), Manchester United (nowhere near Fernandes), Man City or Liverpool (don’t play with a number 10). Arsenal are a “special purchaser”. They’re desperate but realistically one of only two options available to Maddison if he wants to go and earn more money and/or have a different life experience.

 

If we could get £60m for him I am very confident we could improve the squad to the extent that he would not be missed. That could fund a new winger and a more forward-minded central midfielder than the Tielemans/Ndidi/Soumare triumvirate.

 

Selling good players does not mean that we don’t value them. It means that the value another club has for them is greater than ours. At 24 and with 3 years left on his contract, Maddison’s value may never be higher. Could we miss him next season? Of course. But I trust that armed with £60m we could find a way to make both the starting XI and squad stronger than it is currently.

Well reasoned whether you agree or not - some could equally make the counter argument 

If the whole squad gets stronger as a result then the logic can't be faulted, but we know  not all signings are successful and it looks like we have made 2 very decent ones in Soumare and Daka.

 

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

1 minute ago, DezFox said:

No I don’t think he will leave at all but 100% don’t sell for me. People saying if we need a number 10 or not the answer is yes. When he is fully fit we are so much better with h in side. When he isn’t fit we can look very very ordinary. His fitness wasn’t there last year like a lot of players. Get that back and he will be class again.

We don't have many creative players, and he likes to play an 8 in any event. BR has shown he will change formation for performing players.

 

I am somewhat relaxed: I don't think Madders is pushing for a move, but I don't think he'd turn down a much larger paycheck either. The club doesn't "need" him and they don't need the money.

 

My guess is it's like the Maguire situation (although Maguire pushed more than I think Maddison would): The club have named a price and a cut-off date, and won't budge. I expect Arsenal will go sniffing elsewhere next week.

 

Personally, at the stage in the club's development, I would like us not to sell, just to end the whole "one big player a year" malarkey.

[Lesta Legend]

17 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

We have to replace his 15+ goal contributions just to stay as we are, Soumare scores and assists less than Bruce Jenner has had sex changes so we better find a right winger that brings the best part of 25+ goal contributions a season otherwise we can kiss goodbye to another shot at the top 4.

Yep it’s what we‘ll miss from Madders but also what Arsenal gain, a direct rival. 
 

It’s obvious we sell and we reinvest smart.. 
 

But to think we’ll give a main rival an advantage, to our own detriment at a late stage in the window, as we panic to replace a player capable of those all important stats, is quite frankly nonsense. Our owners are smart and I trust them implicitly. 

Arsenal are playing catch-up for sure but they’ve yet to learn how to deal with us, time is running out for them, fast.

[mozartfox]

47 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Thought he had a Ferrari?

No idea - but the White Seat next to the Range Rover belongs to 'ProspectFox', so this could be genuine? 

[Kierzz]

33 minutes ago, ttfn said:

Ok, I’m going to out myself as one of the few people who thinks we should sell him.

 

We don’t have a bottomless pit of cash to

improve the squad and continue to progress. Our entire model as a club is built on selling players who are worth more to other clubs than they are to us. Maguire, Chilwell and Drinkwater are the poster boys in that regard. That doesn’t mean they’re bad players, it just means that we can do better for the money.

 

Maddison falls into that category. He’s invariably brilliant for a 6 week spell every season, decent for another 6 weeks and then somebody we’re painfully wishing back into form for at least half of the season. Arsenal are desperate right now, their fans were mutinous after the ESL business and it seems the Kroenkes have finally decided to throw serious money at the problem.

 

His goals and assists output is decent but no more than that for a top half number 10 on all set pieces (until recently) who doesn’t contribute greatly outside of those metrics. I’ve seen the stat about “most chances created” but a ton of those must have been chipped crosses onto Maguire and Evans’ heads because he’s nowhere near the top of the charts for expected assists since he’s been with us. The quality of those chances is evidently not great.

 

In Soumare, Tielemans and Ndidi we have the making of a truly top class midfield trio without the need for a traditional number 10. Soumare is still a bit of an unknown quantity in this set up but in the case of Tielemans and Ndidi losing them would be absolutely catastrophic to our style of play and efforts to build a team. These are players that are worth more to us than they are to other clubs and must not be sold if we can possibly avoid it.

 

Can we really say the same for Maddison? Is he really a player whose value to us is higher than it is to Arsenal or Spurs? Realistically that’s our market to sell him - he’s not good enough to play regularly for Chelsea (as I’ve said before he’d be at best 4th choice in one of the two positions behind the striker), Manchester United (nowhere near Fernandes), Man City or Liverpool (don’t play with a number 10). Arsenal are a “special purchaser”. They’re desperate but realistically one of only two options available to Maddison if he wants to go and earn more money and/or have a different life experience.

 

If we could get £60m for him I am very confident we could improve the squad to the extent that he would not be missed. That could fund a new winger and a more forward-minded central midfielder than the Tielemans/Ndidi/Soumare triumvirate.

 

Selling good players does not mean that we don’t value them. It means that the value another club has for them is greater than ours. At 24 and with 3 years left on his contract, Maddison’s value may never be higher. Could we miss him next season? Of course. But I trust that armed with £60m we could find a way to make both the starting XI and squad stronger than it is currently.

I agree it would be exciting to play Ndidi, Tielesman and Soumare in midfield together - assuming you mean a 4-3-3 formation similar to Liverpool.

 

However, to make that formation work we would need to sign a top class right winger and keep Barnes fit for 90 percent of the games nest season as we have no left wing cover. I can't see both of those circumstances happening so therefore I can't see us selling Maddison unless it was for a monstrous transfer fee which is highly unlikely.

 

 

[Steve Earle]

Note to self: don’t come on Foxes Talk expecting news or information. In fact, during an open window, best not come on here at all!

[Dahnsouff]

Someone on the Arsenal forum said “This guy has franchise player written all over him tbh. Can see him thriving in a starring role here.”

 

What does that even mean?  

[Mike Oxlong]

1 hour ago, turlo said:

 

He just posted this on his Instagram. 100% staying or leaving

 

Fvcks sake, he’s off to Burnley ! 

[chapero82]

Was it ever there? 

 

[Corky]

He's also left two LCFC pictures in.

 

The plot thickens.

[enmac]

Todd Cantwell's contract ends in 1 year. I'd only consider selling Maddison for £80M and getting Cantwell for £20M, Berardi for £40M and Tarkowski for £15M. Otherwise it's a no from me. 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Hope Maddison stays with Leicester, my kids only watch Leicester matches when he's on TV, they are crazy about him and think he's so cool. I think he's a great character for the team and has a great personality, remember the time Cags lifted him up like the lion king. My kids bugging me to order the new kits with Maddison on the back from relatives back in Leicester. And my relatives kids are the same all want to be Maddison.

[Dr The Singh]

20 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Someone on the Arsenal forum said “This guy has franchise player written all over him tbh. Can see him thriving in a starring role here.”

 

What does that even mean?  

He is cooont and sell out, to be clear that's what he is saying not me

Edited 3 August 2021 by Dr The Singh

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Dr The Singh said:

He is cooont and sell out 

Ta, you kids and your lingo. 

[Dr The Singh]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Ta, you kids and your lingo. 

me kids not me lingo

[Heskey2011]

This reminds me of playing SWOS back in the day. 

Marshall, Robins and Peggy Arphexahad, plus 1mil (total transfer kitty) for a young Shevchenko

[UHDrive]

17 minutes ago, enmac said:

Todd Cantwell's contract ends in 1 year. I'd only consider selling Maddison for £80M and getting Cantwell for £20M, Berardi for £40M and Tarkowski for £15M. Otherwise it's a no from me. 

Not a bad idea. Cantwell is a bit lightweight but he's got flair in the middle of the park.

 

It would only make sense to get him in if Choudhury + 1 leaves. He would be a backup to KDH as he is more offensive than Soumare but less defensive than KDH and plays in the same role. Still not enough panache for a playmaker that we'd like though.

Edited 3 August 2021 by UHDrive
Factual

[winteriscoming]

4 minutes ago, UHDrive said:

Not a bad idea. Cantwell is a bit lightweight but he's got flair in the middle of the park.

 

It would only make sense to get him in if Choudhury + 1 leaves. He would be a backup to KDH as he is more offensive than Soumare but less defensive than KDH and plays in the same role. Still not enough panache for a playmaker that we'd like though.

Cantwell will go Villa if Grealish goes Man City.