Patson Daka

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

I thought we were interested in a Swansea striker Piroe?

Is he the little chubby Belgian guy with a waxed moustache? 

[dynamark]

I dont thnk we played a single through ball to Daka yesterday but he did a hell of a job pressing

[Jobyfox]

He must have sat on the sidelines and watched Vardy's movement. I would suggest he does so again once Vardy is back. 

 

He can't just wait for the right through ball. He's got to keep making runs, angling runs and hanging off defender's shoulders; gambling that if he makes those runs 20 times in a match he might be found one of two times. 

 

For me, against Palace, he was good when the team was not in possession - pressing high - but not so good when the team was in possession. Far too often he had his back to goal and when he was found, easily dispossessed. 

[moore_94]

 

[Arriba Los Zorros]

This thread sums up Foxes talk really, go against the general established grain on opinions and you get sh1t all over, either people being passive aggressive with replies or being called an idiot without replying to your post. 

 

I think @FoxyJim1987 has a good point Daka has looked ****ing dire as of late, seems like every move breaks down when the ball goes to him. It doesn't mean he won't come good as he has some incredible strengths but he certainly needs to improve a lot on what he is showing now to make any impact in England. 

[Nicolo Barella]

11 hours ago, moore_94 said:

 

Imagine if the fans of this club had to deal with some of the donkeys the likes of Brighton, Southampton, Palace etc have as their strikers we complain so much on this forum about all three of ours, and yet look at where they have placed on this list.

[FoxyJim1987]

9 hours ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

This thread sums up Foxes talk really, go against the general established grain on opinions and you get sh1t all over, either people being passive aggressive with replies or being called an idiot without replying to your post. 

 

I think @FoxyJim1987 has a good point Daka has looked ****ing dire as of late, seems like every move breaks down when the ball goes to him. It doesn't mean he won't come good as he has some incredible strengths but he certainly needs to improve a lot on what he is showing now to make any impact in England. 

Thanks mate I'm not quite sure why I was swarmed on for having an opinion. He has been very disappointing bar one European game in Russia. He is too static, not strong enough and his touch is off. I hope he comes good like I said of course I do, I hope he turns it around either this season or next and becomes a great striker for us, I'd be surprised if that happened but let's see. Right now he's not good enough at all and it is like playing with ten men.

[teblin]

35 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

Thanks mate I'm not quite sure why I was swarmed on for having an opinion. He has been very disappointing bar one European game in Russia. He is too static, not strong enough and his touch is off. I hope he comes good like I said of course I do, I hope he turns it around either this season or next and becomes a great striker for us, I'd be surprised if that happened but let's see. Right now he's not good enough at all and it is like playing with ten men.

I agree at times he hasn’t been great, but the non existent 11th man on Sunday pressed and set up the 2nd goal.

 

though I think there has been games post Xmas he hasn’t worked hard enough.

 

Vardy has games like patson does where he isn’t involved in that sense they are similar, daka needs to get some of vardys aggression if he is to be his successor.

Edited 13 April 2022 by teblin

[FoxyJim1987]

40 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

Imagine if the fans of this club had to deal with some of the donkeys the likes of Brighton, Southampton, Palace etc have as their strikers we complain so much on this forum about all three of ours, and yet look at where they have placed on this list.

But our expectations and budget are bigger and better than the club's you mention. For the 55 million approx we spent in the summer on Vestergaard, Soumare and Daka, we have got nothing at all of any quality, certainly not yet. Dakas premier League goals have been tap ins pretty much anyone could expect to score. Those numbers are disappointing let's face it for a striker who was so hugely rated when we signed him. Add to the fact Vardy has been injured for a long time, to only have 4 goals is pretty poor.

[FoxyJim1987]

1 hour ago, teblin said:

I agree at times he hasn’t been great, but the non existent 11th man on Sunday pressed and set up the 2nd goal.

 

though I think there has been games post Xmas he hasn’t worked hard enough.

 

Vardy has games like patson does where he isn’t involved in that sense they are similar, daka needs to get some of vardys aggression if he is to be his successor.

The basic minimum requirement of any footballer is that he runs about. A young striker I'd expect to run and press and close down, which he did V Palace. But his off the ball runs, his touch, his awareness are non existent and have been for months. He is pretty much zero threat at all unless the ball falls to him a yard or two out. Vardy is a constant threat making runs clever runs all game, coming short sometimes, usually with very good touch and awareness ( see the Maddison goal v Burnley) 

[Nicolo Barella]

4 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

But our expectations and budget are bigger and better than the club's you mention. For the 55 million approx we spent in the summer on Vestergaard, Soumare and Daka, we have got nothing at all of any quality, certainly not yet. Dakas premier League goals have been tap ins pretty much anyone could expect to score. Those numbers are disappointing let's face it for a striker who was so hugely rated when we signed him. Add to the fact Vardy has been injured for a long time, to only have 4 goals is pretty poor.

If you saw the amount of hilarious whiffs the likes of Maupay, Che Adams, Watkins, etc had in front of goal you might have a bit more respect for those tap ins tbf. And I'm not sure what Vestergaard or Soumaré have to do with Daka, who has had enough promising games that I'm not too worried. Keep in mind the step from the Austrian to Premier League is significant and I'm more than willing to give him time. Vardy himself has gone through long dry periods. 

[FoxyJim1987]

19 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

If you saw the amount of hilarious whiffs the likes of Maupay, Che Adams, Watkins, etc had in front of goal you might have a bit more respect for those tap ins tbf. And I'm not sure what Vestergaard or Soumaré have to do with Daka, who has had enough promising games that I'm not too worried. Keep in mind the step from the Austrian to Premier League is significant and I'm more than willing to give him time. Vardy himself has gone through long dry periods. 

The point I'm making is that even when Vardy or even Nacho are not scoring they LOOK like they will score or be a threat or get involved, Daka doesn't at all. I hope he comes good like I say, I was excited like many when we signed him. With our budget and expectations we shouldn't be comparing ourselves to the strikers or clubs like Southampton and Brighton.

[teblin]

27 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

The basic minimum requirement of any footballer is that he runs about. A young striker I'd expect to run and press and close down, which he did V Palace. But his off the ball runs, his touch, his awareness are non existent and have been for months. He is pretty much zero threat at all unless the ball falls to him a yard or two out. Vardy is a constant threat making runs clever runs all game, coming short sometimes, usually with very good touch and awareness ( see the Maddison goal v Burnley) 

I’m sure it’s confidence with daka, and don’t disagree with what you are saying. One needs to improve no doubt, but I’m sure there is a player in there somewhere.

[volpeazzurro]

On 11/04/2022 at 20:31, Paninistickers said:

I know what you mean and there was a large contingent that didn't rate Vards. But there was also a healthy minority that did recognise it. I hate to be a smart arse but I knew we'd got a good un on his debut v (I think) Middlesbrough (at home, not away) in a  dull 0-0. I can clearly recall his delightful touch at high speed  (albeit followed by a rash shot but thinking, wow) 

 

I hate to say it with Daka, but I don't see the same level of rough diamond

I think that's fair to be honest albeit we all see different things at first in new players, particularly younger one's. I too saw something in Vardy but wasn't sure what, although his pace and aggression was obvious but needed harnessing or using in a different way. Arguably it was Ranieri that set him free by altering his role from side kick to Ulloa to main man.

 

Daka, like Vardy also has to adapt to the pace and physicality of the Premiership. It's one thing having pace yourself but pace of thought is also an issue and suddenly there's seemingly less time and space around you to do what you previously did with ease. Daka also has had a change of countries and culture to deal with and I don't think these should be underestimated, he's probably even a bit in awe of his training surroundings and methods.

 

What I personally saw in Daka,  particularly in the way he took his 4 goals in Europe, was the ice cold finishing and speed of thought. That came naturally and can't necessarily be taught I don't think. He isn't used to playing as a lone striker it would seem but if that's what Rodgers wants, then he has to adapt which will take time and can only really be improved with actual game time.

 

Rodgers of course could perhaps set up to play to his playing strengths but, like with Iheanacho, that's a different story. 

 

In short, a bit of patience won't go amiss in Daka's case. I do think that if he was playing in a front three at Liverpool, given a season he'd be ripping it up under Klopp. Sometimes a coach and how and where he uses a player can bring the best out of them i.e. Klopp with Salah and Wenger with Henry. It remains to be seen what Rodgers can do with him but I do think that there's some excellent raw materials there to be working with. 

[volpeazzurro]

19 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

The point I'm making is that even when Vardy or even Nacho are not scoring they LOOK like they will score or be a threat or get involved, Daka doesn't at all. I hope he comes good like I say, I was excited like many when we signed him. With our budget and expectations we shouldn't be comparing ourselves to the strikers or clubs like Southampton and Brighton.

Personally, I think Daka very much looked like scoring on his initial games in Europe and his finishing was top draw. However, since that he's only had the odd appearance and played as a lone striker, a role that he's unfamiliar with. Very early days. 

[Paninistickers]

34 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

I think that's fair to be honest albeit we all see different things at first in new players, particularly younger one's. I too saw something in Vardy but wasn't sure what, although his pace and aggression was obvious but needed harnessing or using in a different way. Arguably it was Ranieri that set him free by altering his role from side kick to Ulloa to main man.

 

Daka, like Vardy also has to adapt to the pace and physicality of the Premiership. It's one thing having pace yourself but pace of thought is also an issue and suddenly there's seemingly less time and space around you to do what you previously did with ease. Daka also has had a change of countries and culture to deal with and I don't think these should be underestimated, he's probably even a bit in awe of his training surroundings and methods.

 

What I personally saw in Daka,  particularly in the way he took his 4 goals in Europe, was the ice cold finishing and speed of thought. That came naturally and can't necessarily be taught I don't think. He isn't used to playing as a lone striker it would seem but if that's what Rodgers wants, then he has to adapt which will take time and can only really be improved with actual game time.

 

Rodgers of course could perhaps set up to play to his playing strengths but, like with Iheanacho, that's a different story. 

 

In short, a bit of patience won't go amiss in Daka's case. I do think that if he was playing in a front three at Liverpool, given a season he'd be ripping it up under Klopp. Sometimes a coach and how and where he uses a player can bring the best out of them i.e. Klopp with Salah and Wenger with Henry. It remains to be seen what Rodgers can do with him but I do think that there's some excellent raw materials there to be working with. 

Interesting point and worth a thread on uts own one day. I actually think Pearson mismanaged (tactically at least) Vards. First season he was dropped and often played wide. Second season he was excellent but played second fiddle to Nugent. Great escape season he was dropped for long periods. 

 

As you say, it took old school Italian nous to work out how to best use Vards' extraordinary touch and pace and movement

[sammy82]

2 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Interesting point and worth a thread on uts own one day. I actually think Pearson mismanaged (tactically at least) Vards. First season he was dropped and often played wide. Second season he was excellent but played second fiddle to Nugent. Great escape season he was dropped for long periods. 

 

As you say, it took old school Italian nous to work out how to best use Vards' extraordinary touch and pace and movement

Good points 

[Steve Earle]

1 hour ago, Paninistickers said:

Interesting point and worth a thread on uts own one day. I actually think Pearson mismanaged (tactically at least) Vards. First season he was dropped and often played wide. Second season he was excellent but played second fiddle to Nugent. Great escape season he was dropped for long periods. 

 

As you say, it took old school Italian nous to work out how to best use Vards' extraordinary touch and pace and movement

Interesting. Not how I remember it though.

 

Vardy looked (and played like) someone completely out of their depth in his first season.

 

In the promotion season he was transformed in a way I’d never seen before. We got the Vardy of 15-16, albeit less spectacular, against lower quality opponents, but definitely the main man, with Nuge scurrying about behind and around him like a smiling, scouse Shinji.

 

We then saw a similar transformation at the end of the great escape season, as the real Vardy emerged after some 30 very mixed games.

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, Paninistickers said:

Interesting point and worth a thread on uts own one day. I actually think Pearson mismanaged (tactically at least) Vards. First season he was dropped and often played wide. Second season he was excellent but played second fiddle to Nugent. Great escape season he was dropped for long periods. 

 

As you say, it took old school Italian nous to work out how to best use Vards' extraordinary touch and pace and movement

He didn't play wide (or I am failing to recall it) and neither did Pearson mismanage him. When we went up Nugent played off of Vardy and they both scored 15+.

 

Vardy just looked out of his depth in his first season and needed someone like Pearson to put an arm around him. Thank God.

 

But people should drop the comparison with Vardy. One player turning into a great player cannot be continued to every struggling player. Pretty sure people probably said the same thing about Musa.

There's more failed players than actual players that improve.

But I'll wait and see. I'm willing to give Daka the benefit of the doubt at the minute, first season in another Country, but I don't share the hope that others seem to have about him.

Edited 13 April 2022 by Fox92

[tsintskaro]

For every Vardy there is 100 failed player

It makes no sense comparing anyone to Vardy and saying he was bad at start and then imrpvoed. Its completely irrelevant.

May he come good? Yes, of course

May he not? yes, for sure

Sadly right now he is waste of space who costed a lot money.

You can and can not judge a player for first season in a different league, its a 2 way street 

I am more hopeful than confident that he comes good. He needs to improve a lot thats a fact 

 

Edited 13 April 2022 by tsintskaro

[urban.spaceman]

10 goals and 5 assists (for some reason most outlets are crediting Madders with assisting KDH on Sunday) in 1623 minutes is a goal contribution every 108 minutes.

 

He contributes 1 goal per 2 matches (15 goal contributions in 31 games).

 

Give him time.

[urban.spaceman]

Found this on a Zambia GB page.... They've learned from the Algerians!

 

 

[Jabfox]

16 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Found this on a Zambia GB page.... They've learned from the Algerians!

 

 

Clearly have a lot more sense and patience than our Algerian friends 🤣

[StanSP]

17 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

10 goals and 5 assists (for some reason most outlets are crediting Madders with assisting KDH on Sunday) in 1623 minutes is a goal contribution every 108 minutes.

 

He contributes 1 goal per 2 matches (15 goal contributions in 31 games).

 

Give him time.

It clipped Maddison's heel on the way to KDH. 

[Tanya]

I think he was trying to find KDH so a bit of a shame Patson got dudded out of an assist.

 

I hope he gets some gametime tonight. The game will likely be stretched (especially if it's still in the balance from the 60 minute mark). I'd love to hit PSV on the break, cheeky sucker punch goal