LEI- CHE Post Match Discussion (Moan In)

[RonnieTodger]

Why can’t you take bottled drinks in but they allow daft ****ing A3 cardboard signs asking for shirts?

[Corky]

45 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

Why can’t you take bottled drinks in but they allow daft ****ing A3 cardboard signs asking for shirts?

Wouldn't want to upset the kids in the family orientated stadium.

[Bayfox]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

It’s as bad as any performance we’ve had since we were promoted. Even when we were shit in 14/15 we could see how much we were battling, yesterday was incredibly pathetic and insipid.

 

This is the most expensive, talented team we’ve ever had and we’re worse now than under most of Puel’s tenure. Rodgers can have no excuses 

This is my frustration. This has got to be the best group of players talent wise, we've had in my life time and maybe ever. The investment. The wages we pay. The sheer luxury they train in and yet they lack, fight, bottle and clear direction (unless the direction is to pass sideways and backwards) and serve up dross most weeks at the moment.

 

If that arsenal side that hardly got out of 1st gear got spanked by Liverpool yesterday I'm dreading the 2 games near Christmas.

[BenTheFox]

We could get dragged into a relegation battle and I'm not exagerating. We are only six points above the bottom three with a very difficult Christmas period coming up and losing players to Afcon in January. It's the performances though that are far more concerning. We have genuinely played well in one game this season. 

[cropstonfox]

Wouldn't be a big thing if we did go down.

That's the natural position for us.

7ish years top level then a bit of 2nd tier.

Battling for promotion to the promised land.

It wouldn't be this boring to watch and we can also enjoy watching the Premier league without being involved or affected.

Also easier to park,get a beer and even have a pee at half time without the plastics and tourists. 

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

3 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

Wouldn't be a big thing if we did go down.

That's the natural position for us.

7ish years top level then a bit of 2nd tier.

Battling for promotion to the promised land.

It wouldn't be this boring to watch and we can also enjoy watching the Premier league without being involved or affected.

Also easier to park,get a beer and even have a pee at half time without the plastics and tourists. 

Whilst I suspect your comment is quite tongue in cheek, ask Sunderland supporters what they think. 

[Itsthejoeker]

Went into this game expecting nothing and yet was still left empty handed, 0 shots in the first half and yet we’re expected to be happy with that. Bizarre. 

[Bayfox]

2 hours ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

Whilst I suspect your comment is quite tongue in cheek, ask Sunderland supporters what they think. 

I'd ask the owners what they might think if we are looking to add 8000 seats ibdont think they want that to be in the championship.

 

I think we have to stay up. And whilst I'm not quite rodgers out yet. I really think it might be best (although unlikely) for all parties if he was to get offered another job.

 

Things seem to have gone a little stale and need shaking up.

 

The owners have shown they will pull the trigger if we are still struggling come jan/Feb they will have no choice. But it will be costly, just not as costly as the championship 

[volpeazzurro]

8 hours ago, deep blue said:

I really don't get this talk of Rodgers getting a team to follow his ideas.  A year ago we were playing superb football and blowing teams away.  Surely he'd achieved his playing style by then with our squad, and his job at that point was to maintain and progress on what we already had.  The main need from that point then, as far as I can see, was to make minor adjustments to improve still more (and in order to take into account the different opposition strengths from match to match) and to integrate new signings into the pattern.

Funny then that it started well each season with free flowing attacking football until he stuck his oar in altering the team and tactics. It's almost as if he's been a total drain on the players by sucking the very life out of them each year. Certain things he's done are far from minor adjustments. 

[SemperEadem]

On 20/11/2021 at 20:10, st albans fox said:

It’s so annoying to heat the collective sigh when a pass forward is misplaced or cut out and then another collective sigh when a safe pass is made the next time - what the fook do people expect the player to do????

 

why not clap the attempt to make a forward pass because that will encourage it to be done the next time ! 

Loads chirping up to shout and get on their backs. 
I could slightly accept that if before hand they had been getting behind them and driving them. Not though when you have sat in silence then exploded into noise at a poor pass.

Edited 21 November 2021 by SemperEadem

[Dahnsouff]

3 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Funny then that it started well each season with free flowing attacking football until he stuck his oar in altering the team and tactics. It's almost as if he's been a total drain on the players by sucking the very life out of them each year. Certain things he's done are far from minor adjustments. 

That is some serious reaching. 

 

So he has no part at setting up early season but is a saboteur late season?

[Mike Oxlong]

Surely at least one of his oars was responsible for producing the free flowing attacking football that you refer to. I’m not enjoying what has been served up for some time now but Brendan is nonetheless due credit for the time when we were playing well. 

[volpeazzurro]

12 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

That is some serious reaching. 

 

So he has no part at setting up early season but is a saboteur late season?

It certainly appeared that way to me! Win 9 nil against Southampton, change team and tactics on return fixture, why? Shouldn't they be worried not us?

 

Play defensively suddenly against teams like Norwich who couldn't score let alone win, why?

 

Bollock your players when 3 nil up against West Brom at halftime, why?

 

What does this say about him? Consistently play individuals out of position to service a philosophy or system rather than play individuals in their favoured positions in order to try and win a game rather than not lose one.

 

Both seasons when we went down hill it was easy to predict because each time it coincided with Rodgers trying to stick his big oar in when the team was playing well, he just couldn't leave it alone.

 

Rose tinted glasses by some who have bought into the media produced love-in diatribes. We are where we are due to the manager because we have the best squad of players in our history. If you really think that with what was available to him player wise, against Chelsea this weekend, that his tactics and selections were correct then there's no hope. I admittedly with my blue tinted glasses got it wrong. Upon seeing the team, I predicted a two nil Chelsea win with Rudiger to score from a corner and that with just Ndidi and Soumare, we'd be easily over-run in midfield. I flattered us. It really should have been six nil. Rodgers initial tactics and team selections with players out of position were piss poor. It's been happening for months now. I'm surprised anyone can defend him. Good points as a man manager he certainly has, but tactically he appears to be clueless at times. He is not an elite manager by a long chalk. 

Edited 22 November 2021 by volpeazzurro

[deep blue]

4 hours ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Surely at least one of his oars was responsible for producing the free flowing attacking football that you refer to. I’m not enjoying what has been served up for some time now but Brendan is nonetheless due credit for the time when we were playing well. 

This was exactly my point.  He shouldn't be striving now to get us to play in his style - which I assume it was when we were playing free-flowing, attractive and successful football - as he had already achieved it by then, and from that point he simply needed to maintain it and progress smoothly from it.  Instead he seems to have lost it completely and can't now seem to reproduce that style.   Baffling.

[Leicester_Loyal]

One of if not the worst performance under Rodgers, proper proper bad. We look a shadow of our former selfs and we’re gonna end up about 14th if things don’t improve soon. 

[HybridFox]

27 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

One of if not the worst performance under Rodgers, proper proper bad. We look a shadow of our former selfs and we’re gonna end up about 14th if things don’t improve soon. 

14th is looking optimistic at the moment!

[mozartfox]

I am still puzzled why we let Brylcreem Boy have complete freedom down the left all game. I assume had Ricardo been fit this may not have happened.......  But a change early on of formation/tactics would have been nice.    Shocking day at the office due to Tuchel Master-class and much superior opponents.  We move on.

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, mozartfox said:

I am still puzzled why we let Brylcreem Boy have complete freedom down the left all game. I assume had Ricardo been fit this may not have happened.......  But a change early on of formation/tactics would have been nice.    Shocking day at the office due to Tuchel Master-class and much superior opponents.  We move on.

We were too busy worrying about Chelsea's system that we put out a side and formation that they play at elite level whilst we often like a car crash in it. Theoretically 3-4-3 should have allowed us to protect the flanks but it was more like a back 7 and then the 3 up top in a daze trying to eat a bowl of soup with a knife and fork.

 

Horrible approach to the game and it is galling he spent 2 weeks planning for this. It was one of the most inept displays I've seen in a long while. There's been other games we've made more individual mistakes or completely lost the plot but in all of those we've actually had chances and moments in the game to expose the opposition but there was scant evidence of that on Saturday. We were that mesmerising mix of being ultra defensive so we could never transition easy in to attack or get on the ball and yet at will they could carve us open. 

 

We aren't in the right mind frame to be playing pragmatic and defensive football, we cannot defend. We have however this season still been capable of attacking and yet we've somehow disrupted Iheanacho's rhythm and he's now bang off form and Vardy looks to be going the same way. I get Seniorman has been the dilemma as we tend to have to play 3-4-1-2 and do away with wingers and therefore we've chopped and changed it but it's now killed off his impact that he'd brought nearly every time he stepped on to the pitch in 2021.

 

I've no idea what our central midfield is doing this season, bar Tielemans the rest of them have been all over the place. Ndidi is playing the worst football he's ever played for us, Soumare is supposedly a defensive midfielder but with an ability to transition us from pressured situations in to fast attacks and yet he's made us more exposed for large parts of his games so I'm baffled. Maddison has been appalling, can't get any momentum going. Tielemans has bailed us out time and time again.

 

The whole gaff needs their heads wobbling. 

[Manini]

15 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

Why can’t you take bottled drinks in but they allow daft ****ing A3 cardboard signs asking for shirts?

Content for the club tik tok. 

[gerblod]

On 21/11/2021 at 16:48, cropstonfox said:

Wouldn't be a big thing if we did go down.

That's the natural position for us.

7ish years top level then a bit of 2nd tier.

Battling for promotion to the promised land.

It wouldn't be this boring to watch and we can also enjoy watching the Premier league without being involved or affected.

Also easier to park,get a beer and even have a pee at half time without the plastics and tourists. 

I sense you miss the 'good old days'. I wonder if Derby and Forest fans feel the same way. I doubt very much that there are many "plastic and tourists" attending City games. We're a niche market - thankfully so.

Anyway, if you hope that Top is going to abandon his father's project for 2nd toer mediocrity, you may have to wait a long time.

[gerblod]

The more this season goes on the more I'm tempted to think that the success of our close season transfers is waning game to game. Only Daka has shone out. 

We finished last season on a high, bought five players in who were supposed to reinforce the push to 4th, yet we're facing mid-table mediocrity.  

I watched Kante leave two players in his wake when he scored - one might have been Wilf but the other was definitely Soumare - who made a half-hearted show of running after him, but stopped after a few strides - as if he was thinking "fvck it" or hoping he wouldn't score. Disappointing isn't strong enough a word.