Rearranged Games - When?

[SemperEadem]

16 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

Any ideas about refunds for the tickets as I won’t be able to make the Everton game now. 

Pretty sure the club don’t do them.

[Paninistickers]

1 hour ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

Worst possible date for us. 
 

We’ll have to go with Vestergaard and Nelson at cb for both this game and Watford and hope not to pick any other injuries up. Also got no strikers for either game 😬

I can't see it going ahead. We are surely on the limit of having only 13 players available 

 

Timmy, Vestergaard, luke Thomas, Tielemans, kdh, soumare, Hamza, Barnes, lookman, perez, Albrighton....anyone else fit atm apart from the keepers?

[Spiritwalker]

35 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

I can't see it going ahead. We are surely on the limit of having only 13 players available 

 

Timmy, Vestergaard, luke Thomas, Tielemans, kdh, soumare, Hamza, Barnes, lookman, perez, Albrighton....anyone else fit atm apart from the keepers?

Which begs the question, why is the PL rearranging the game on a date where it may well be postponed again?

[Matt]

3 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said:

Which begs the question, why is the PL rearranging the game on a date where it may well be postponed again?

Because games are postponed on the basis of clubs/squads/players having Covid not injuries or players going AFCON.

 

Except clubs have used Covid as an excuse to have games postponed because of injuries, wrongly.

 

Edited 31 December 2021 by Matt

[Dan]

That's actually a really shite date for us. I know there's not many chances but that's particularly crap.

[reynard]

4 hours ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Still won't have any centre backs for the Everton game.

 

We won't but we really need to sign a centre half as Evans is going to be in and out of the side for a while and he doesn't rate vestergaard.

May not even have enough fit players to meet the criteria by then. We're technically down to 12 plus keepers now I think.

[adam]

Can't see that game taking place.i think we need to do the best we can to get that cancelled. We don't even have a fit striker. 

[turlo]

surely they should be giving clubs time to recover players from injuries that were partly down to players being overloaded due to reduced squad sizes from the covid outbreaks. willy pullers. 

Edited 31 December 2021 by turlo
willy pullers not willy pullers

[steve555]

4 hours ago, Lcfc82 said:

Probably would of been better off playing Everton on the original date rather than January 11th

True, for the original date they had no Richarlison or Calvert- Lewin. I see Calvert- Lewin makes his comeback tomorrow, so it looks like they'll have both 1st choice  forwards playing & we'll have no forwards & no centre-halves.

[tom27111]

1 minute ago, turlo said:

surely they should be giving clubs time to recover players from injuries that were partly down to players being overloaded due to reduced squad sizes from the covid outbreaks. willy pullers. 

I hate how this site changers willy pullers to willy pullers 

[Jon Bez]

50 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

I hate how this site changers willy pullers to willy pullers 

Willy pullers to willy pullers? 

[Matt]

5 hours ago, Lcfc82 said:

Probably would of been better off playing Everton on the original date rather than January 11th

 

1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said:

That's actually a really shite date for us. I know there's not many chances but that's particularly crap.

 

46 minutes ago, steve555 said:

True, for the original date they had no Richarlison or Calvert- Lewin. I see Calvert- Lewin makes his comeback tomorrow, so it looks like they'll have both 1st choice  forwards playing & we'll have no forwards & no centre-halves.

 

I did say all this at the time, but beggars can't be choosers.

 

Anyone think it's coincidence we chose to get the Spurs and Everton games cancelled instead of Man City and Liverpool, the cynic in me say's we looked at the schedule and thought we'd like to think we could get something from the Spurs/Everton games if they could be rearranged for a time where we had players back (Turns out the Everton game has been rearranged sooner rather than later, turning out to have backfired, that's the gamble you take) whereas they looked at the Man City/Liverpool games and they were viewed as a 'free hit' (Hate the phrase) and we expected to get nothing out of those games even with a full squad - turns out I think we did better than we would have with a full squad v Liverpool.

 

46 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

I hate how this site changers willy pullers to willy pullers 

Wanker (s)

[CosbehFox]

23 minutes ago, Matt said:

 

 

 

I did say all this at the time, but beggars can't be choosers.

 

Anyone think it's coincidence we chose to get the Spurs and Everton games cancelled instead of Man City and Liverpool, the cynic in me say's we looked at the schedule and thought we'd like to think we could get something from the Spurs/Everton games if they could be rearranged for a time where we had players back (Turns out the Everton game has been rearranged sooner rather than later, turning out to have backfired, that's the gamble you take) whereas they looked at the Man City/Liverpool games and they were viewed as a 'free hit' (Hate the phrase) and we expected to get nothing out of those games even with a full squad - turns out I think we did better than we would have with a full squad v Liverpool.

 

Wanker (s)

No I don’t.
 

We had six players out for covid reasons plus additional two v Spurs. The club were concerned about a full outbreak on the Wednesday/Thursday (day of the Spurs game) hence the training ground got closed. 

[Matt]

13 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

No I don’t.
 

We had six players out for covid reasons plus additional two v Spurs. The club were concerned about a full outbreak on the Wednesday/Thursday (day of the Spurs game) hence the training ground got closed. 

Ok.

 

I'm merely musing but it's just we had six, infact I think it was seven out with covid reasons for the Napoli and Newcastle games and we had no issues or need to cancel those games.

 

We then decided we'd ask to request the Spurs game to be cancelled which was rejected and the following day (day of the game) we claimed we had a new case (Or two as you've said).

 

The six or indeed seven name's emerged as soon as the news broke, just before the Napoli game kicked off, now i'm all for privacy on health matters but equally there has to be an element of transparency and sporting integrity, have we ever heard who the case (Or two) were on the day of the Spurs game?

 

I can't even suggest who they were in a process of elimination with a threadbare squad in the matches since - of which they should have still been quarantining.

 

Edited 31 December 2021 by Matt

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, Matt said:

Ok.

 

I'm merely musing but it's just we had six, infact I think it was seven out for the Napoli and Newcastle games and we had no issues or need to cancel those games.

 

We then decided we'd ask to request the Spurs game to be cancelled which was rejected and the following day (day of the game) we claimed we had a new case (Or two as you've said).

 

The six or indeed seven name's emerged as soon as the news broke, just before the Napoli game kicked off, now i'm all for privacy on health matters but equally there has to be an element of transparency and sporting integrity, have we ever heard who the case (Or two) were on the day of the Spurs game?

 

I can't even suggest who there were as a process of elimination with a threadbare squad in the matches since - of which they should have still been quarantining.

 

Spurs was Barnes and Ward (you can match that against the games they’ve missed as a result subsequently) but given that they had trained with the squad the day before, the club were concerned at the risk.
 

The request the day before seemed to be lodged around the additional injuries sustained against Newcastle which you can see why the PL turned down. Our argument being those injuries were sustained because we had no room to rotate/rest with the covid absentees. 
 

The six or seven flagged up in the first outbreak seemed to be based on a training session on the Monday post Villa for those players who were subbed or on the bench. So the notion of an outbreak there was restricted. 
 

Spurs and Everton would have been weaker themselves on the scheduled dates. So we were losing out once we’d made the request regardless of how when the games were rearranged for. 

[Matt]

28 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Spurs was Barnes and Ward (you can match that against the games they’ve missed as a result subsequently) but given that they had trained with the squad the day before, the club were concerned at the risk.
 

The request the day before seemed to be lodged around the additional injuries sustained against Newcastle which you can see why the PL turned down. Our argument being those injuries were sustained because we had no room to rotate/rest with the covid absentees. 
 

The six or seven flagged up in the first outbreak seemed to be based on a training session on the Monday post Villa for those players who were subbed or on the bench. So the notion of an outbreak there was restricted. 
 

Spurs and Everton would have been weaker themselves on the scheduled dates. So we were losing out once we’d made the request regardless of how when the games were rearranged for. 

Fair enough.

 

I had it as Barnes was injured and I didn't think Ward was on the bench for the Newcastle game, he was, you're the first person to give that answer though and appreciate that.

 

I'm afraid the cynic in me still thinks it was more to do with injuries (and that goes for any other club - the reason i'm being so critical of ourselves is because I am/would be of others) but that's opinion and you've countered my points.

 

There was so much made of transparency and sporting integrity surrounding 'Project Restart', I think it's all been lost and authorities have lost control of it all.

 

Edited 31 December 2021 by Matt

[Soar Fox]

I saw a tweet earlier suggesting that any players that were ruled out through injury in the original games should not be allowed to play in the rearranged fixture. 
 

I’m all for that tbh, I know it will probably be impossible to determine who had covid & who had injuries but teams are now at an advantage with getting players back from injury. 

[KFS]

37 minutes ago, Steve_Walsh5 said:

I saw a tweet earlier suggesting that any players that were ruled out through injury in the original games should not be allowed to play in the rearranged fixture. 
 

I’m all for that tbh, I know it will probably be impossible to determine who had covid & who had injuries but teams are now at an advantage with getting players back from injury. 

This plus new signings 

[Lambert09]

6 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

I can't see it going ahead. We are surely on the limit of having only 13 players available 

 

Timmy, Vestergaard, luke Thomas, Tielemans, kdh, soumare, Hamza, Barnes, lookman, perez, Albrighton....anyone else fit atm apart from the keepers?

Mcateer counts in our numbers as he has played a prem game now 

[st albans fox]

8 hours ago, KFS said:

Pushing Chelsea out will help us but I think we were ready for Everton at the time. We’ve now got to play them without our AFCON boys

Chelsea is moved back a day due to our ECL fixture on the Thursday 

 

those musing that we could have the Everton game cancelled because of a lack of numbers are missing a crucial point. We would need to have at least one covid case to make a request. Injuries alone are not a reason for postponements.  If our protocols are now tight, I assume we may well not have any cases for a while. 

[KFS]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Chelsea is moved back a day due to our ECL fixture on the Thursday 

 

those musing that we could have the Everton game cancelled because of a lack of numbers are missing a crucial point. We would need to have at least one covid case to make a request. Injuries alone are not a reason for postponements.  If our protocols are now tight, I assume we may well not have any cases for a while. 

Sorry was assuming that they make the cup final

[st albans fox]

Everton are thinking this for their starting line up on sunday

 

Pickford
Coleman Keane Holgate Godfrey
Doucoure Allan Gomes
Gray DCL Gordon

looks reasonably strong and assume Richarlison will be back for our game on the 11th 

 

meanwhile, our staring line up will be arranged via a dice and names pulled from a hat ….

 

 

 

[grobyfox1990]

12 hours ago, Matt said:

 

 

 

I did say all this at the time, but beggars can't be choosers.

 

Anyone think it's coincidence we chose to get the Spurs and Everton games cancelled instead of Man City and Liverpool, the cynic in me say's we looked at the schedule and thought we'd like to think we could get something from the Spurs/Everton games if they could be rearranged for a time where we had players back (Turns out the Everton game has been rearranged sooner rather than later, turning out to have backfired, that's the gamble you take) whereas they looked at the Man City/Liverpool games and they were viewed as a 'free hit' (Hate the phrase) and we expected to get nothing out of those games even with a full squad - turns out I think we did better than we would have with a full squad v Liverpool.

 

Wanker (s)

Yep. I think the covid cancellations will notch down after this match day. The clubs have got their point across, emphatically. the festive schedule is too hectic and we don’t like it, so we’re going to force games off. We will keep doing it every year until there’s serious change in the festive programme. 
 

again, that’s the cynic in me. 

[Lesterlad]

On 31/12/2021 at 22:34, Steve_Walsh5 said:

I saw a tweet earlier suggesting that any players that were ruled out through injury in the original games should not be allowed to play in the rearranged fixture. 
 

I’m all for that tbh, I know it will probably be impossible to determine who had covid & who had injuries but teams are now at an advantage with getting players back from injury. 

Then the game would be postponed again because we wouldn’t have enough players to fulfil this fixture ☹️

[phoneticerror]

On 31/12/2021 at 22:34, Steve_Walsh5 said:

I saw a tweet earlier suggesting that any players that were ruled out through injury in the original games should not be allowed to play in the rearranged fixture. 
 

I’m all for that tbh, I know it will probably be impossible to determine who had covid & who had injuries but teams are now at an advantage with getting players back from injury. 

Seems overly strict to me. Because by the time the match comes around other members of the squad will probably be injured (or have Covid) and those that were injured around the time of the original date could be required for the match to go ahead. 🤔