LCFC FCC MEETING – 16 Feb 2022

[Voll Blau]

The scary thing is I think they genuinely believe people are only celebrating goals because the music exists.

[Buzzell]

15 hours ago, Spudulike said:

If anyone is going can you ask them to stop playing that bleedin' goal music. It's pathetic and cringe worthy. Thanks. 

DUH, DUH, DUH DUH DUH DUH, DUH DUH, DUH DUH DUH 

[ian__marshall]

Thanks for sharing @Bayfox. Couple of points for future discussion. Re: Safe Standing - There is clearly an appetite for safe standing from a proportion of fans as evidenced by the shear numbers standing in both L1 and SK1 over the past 10+ years. Whilst the club clearly feel that safe standing is in some way a gateway to safety issues, conversely there's a very strong argument that if fans are asking for this facility and the club haven't taken appropriate measures to ensure every fan in the stadium is sat (including away fans) they surely have a duty of care to their "customers" to provide a safe environment (which of course is safe standing). I'd imagine that there's a huge grey area in the event that a fan/s are injured as a consequence of standing in a non standing area as apart from the occasional steward ejecting people from standing in the aisle there's no evidence of concerted efforts to prevent/encourage all fans in the stadium to remain seated. The club may point to the fact that such actions are prohibited under their terms and conditions but they'd struggle to demonstrate that they took appropriate action to enforce these rules as there's little evidence that they have done so across all sections of the ground. 

 

As for goal music I don't really get why they've dropped Kasabian as a band. I understand the move away from 'Fire' but not the band itself. Yes Tom's behaviour clearly doesn't align with the clubs values and rightly so but the band publicly condemned his actions and parted company with him at the first opportunity. As he is no longer associated with the band I don't see why they are holding his actions against them. I'm sure the band would happily re-record any of their back catalogue songs without Tom if the club reached out to them. 

[davieG]

I believe the goal music is to do with crowd control I suspect there's some research out there that shows that the crowd is more likely to 'behave' than without it. We're akin to monkeys, no disrespect to them in a psychology experiment. Like them we have no choice

 

Or am I just paranoid?

[RonnieTodger]

For balance, I think the pre-match montage and Fox eyes clip before kick-off are great. 
 

They’re nods to the history of the club and not a cheap gimmick.

[Voll Blau]

9 minutes ago, davieG said:

I believe the goal music is to do with crowd control I suspect there's some research out there that shows that the crowd is more likely to 'behave' than without it. We're akin to monkeys, no disrespect to them in a psychology experiment. Like them we have no choice

 

Or am I just paranoid?

No, that's definitely why it's done. They're more bothered about the 0.0000000000001% chance of fans celebrating a goal turning into a riot than they are about the positive lift organic goal celebrations give to the atmosphere - and therefore the team - when they're allowed to go ahead. Instead it's "sit back down, be good and don't forget to spend plenty of cash in the concourse and club shop before you go".

[K1FOX]

Are these FCC’s just the club guys speaking and the fans listening or do they actually address points and give people a chance to put forward ideas?

[Spudulike]

It's all very well moaning on Foxestalk but I doubt the club pay any attention or even read it (are they aware it exists?). What avenues do we have to get the view about goal music made clearly to the club? We can all fire off emails to lcfc help, and I have, but nothing changes. Brick walls and heads it seems. 

 

Alternatively, perhaps FT is out of step with the majority of the fanbase? 

[Happy Fox]

A protest is the only way.

[CosbehFox]

Just lip service - as along as punters are buying tickets it won’t change. That’s viewed as a success. I’d counter act that a real success would be selling out games like tonight or Watford 

[sacreblueits442]

41 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

It’s just all tat isn’t it. Clapping rhythmically to goal music annoys me far more than it should. Add to that, they play the same stupid song when we win, so we heard it 5 ****ing times against Newcastle. 

You’d hope trips to Villa Park and the City Ground might open our eyes a bit, but no. Why have Republica, Faithless, Born Slippy when you can get the crowd pumped with Jess Glynne, Bruno Mars and the Greatest Showman.

 

Whole stadium is like a CBBC show on match day. 

...is there a demographic problem here!!!

  Goal music is perhaps played too loud but we seem to be lost on the type of music  rather than the act of playing it.

[LcFc_Smiv]

Appreciate the feedback on this!

 

Unfortunately it just highlights how far apart the club is from the fans. It's all about £££. I don't think much will change, clubs are very much a business and what's in fans best interests doesn't usually align with business decisions.

 

The games changing as a whole, unfortunately we seem to be at the forefront of rolling over and moving away from what we would all recognise as a traditional matchday experience.

[sacreblueits442]

37 minutes ago, davieG said:

I believe the goal music is to do with crowd control I suspect there's some research out there that shows that the crowd is more likely to 'behave' than without it. We're akin to monkeys, no disrespect to them in a psychology experiment. Like them we have no choice

 

Or am I just paranoid?

...paranoid I  should think!!!

Goal music is a very emotive topic on this forum also akin to your daughter being picked up by someone you really do not like. You have to accept it, but you are seething underneath. 

  The music has perhaps devalued your previous experience of going down and traditions are no longer part of the clubs long term plans. For the newcomers to the stadium, apart from anecdotal stories, they have little to compare it with and therefore accept what is on offer, for them, it is what it is!

[moore_94]

Must be someone at the club watched that Sunderland Netflix series and got the wrong idea when Charlie Methven talked about house music pre-match

 

That rave/house/trance music or whatever it is that we play close to kick off is horrendous (and stupidly loud)

 

Get the guy back out on the pitch doing the post horn gallop live as well

[AKCJ]

11 hours ago, David Hankey said:

You're lucky to be able to afford a pint of piss!!

Had a Chang at the West Ham game and it's honestly a disgrace how bad it is and how much they charge for it.

[Jackubu]

Painful lip service from the club again it seems and they'll definitely be patting each other on the back after this for a job well done. Wheeling out Rodgers for everyone there purely to score brownie points which I'm sure a few lapped up.  

 

They promised to do what they've said with clappers 3 years ago, feels like a waste of time. 

 

That said, there are a few fans that go and ask more challenging questions from my experiences so good job to those who do so.

[adam]

1 hour ago, ousefox said:

Never liked goal music but the club have had it for years now and obviously think it's normal. I actually quite like the song at the end of games if we win. I think it works really well.

 

Did they being up away priority tickets and potentially changing the system?

 

Great to get feedback on this, thanks!

Wouldn't it be better though for the fans to make the noise after a good win. Can't even sing any songs because they blast that shite music out so loud. 

[davieG]

12 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...paranoid I  should think!!!

Goal music is a very emotive topic on this forum also akin to your daughter being picked up by someone you really do not like. You have to accept it, but you are seething underneath. 

  The music has perhaps devalued your previous experience of going down and traditions are no longer part of the clubs long term plans. For the newcomers to the stadium, apart from anecdotal stories, they have little to compare it with and therefore accept what is on offer, for them, it is what it is!

If you're suggesting all that relates to me then you are wrong on so many counts.

 

I'm very hard of hearing so never hear the goal music above the sounds of the fans near me in fact I'd love to be able to listen to music again.

 

I'm too old to go dancing down the aisles so the curtailment of my way of celebrating a goal has nothing to do with goal music, it's the same with safe standing.  My views are very much from a not involved standpoint.

 

My daughter is happily married with 2 kids and I never had any problems with anyone she ever dated.

 

So I have never had a seething feeling about my daughter or how to celebrate a goal.

[KrefelderFox666]

16 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Had a Chang at the West Ham game and it's honestly a disgrace how bad it is and how much they charge for it.

There was a point I was having a pint or two pre-match. Sacked that off months ago now. I refuse to pay £5.30. A beer should be no more than £4 at a sporting event. Especially when it is poor quality.

[adam]

15 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

There was a point I was having a pint or two pre-match. Sacked that off months ago now. I refuse to pay £5.30. A beer should be no more than £4 at a sporting event. Especially when it is poor quality.

The club should be ashamed at those prices. Why do they feel the need to constantly take the piss out of the fans. The prices in the club shop are also a disgrace. Kids skirts at 45 quid.really poor. 

Edited 17 February 2022 by adam

[KrefelderFox666]

18 minutes ago, adam said:

The club should be ashamed at those prices. Why do they feel the need to constantly take the piss out of the fans. The prices in the club shop are also a disgrace. Kids skirts at 45 quid.really poor. 

I could be wrong but a lot of the replica stuff prices are dictated by Adidas. Either way, your point stands.

Edited 17 February 2022 by KrefelderFox666

[StanSP]

3 hours ago, Rain King said:

Excuse The Sun link.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12051932/kasabian-tom-meighan-domestic-violence-court/

Oh yeah, of course. 

[MalletFox]

44 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

There was a point I was having a pint or two pre-match. Sacked that off months ago now. I refuse to pay £5.30. A beer should be no more than £4 at a sporting event. Especially when it is poor quality.

The beer is atrocious so I’ve reverted to drinking the Koppaberg now, on the rare occasion I will have an alcoholic drink in the KP.

[Spudulike]

I don't drink the beer in the stadium but I did buy a bottle of water from the West Stand concourse kiosk and it was £2.40!!!!

[grobyfox1990]

2 hours ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

There was a point I was having a pint or two pre-match. Sacked that off months ago now. I refuse to pay £5.30. A beer should be no more than £4 at a sporting event. Especially when it is poor quality.

It was £7 for an open can of warm and stale Heineken at Wembley for the euro 2020 semi