Soumare

[baldeagle]

2 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

We've broken a potentially good player here. 

Have we ? He looked miserable in the photos when we signed him complete contrast to when Daka signed . Looked like he didn’t want to be here from the start and looked like he couldn’t be arsed when playing . There nothing good about that 

[sacreblueits442]

36 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

Strange assumption that it’s us that have broken him rather than the player being at fault at all unless you know this?

 

Also pure speculation on my part but I would imagine a huge part of all of this is that he’s a young man in a foreign country not speaking the language and it’s been too much for him.

....there is a lot more to this that we know..!!!

It has been stated that he is not listening to or taking on instructions and any manager would find it difficult to make a relationship work in those circumstances..

[VLC86]

19 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....there is a lot more to this that we know..!!!

It has been stated that he is not listening to or taking on instructions and any manager would find it difficult to make a relationship work in those circumstances..

Oh yeah, and even if you don’t listen to the manager you have pride to do the basics right. No chance he made it to where he is by just letting players walk past him.

[ScrumpyJack]

Hasn’t looked convincing, wouldn’t mind if we can move him on and try to recoup the fee. Similarly, wouldn’t be awful if he is around next season and has another crack of the whip.

[jim5000]

 

[sacreblueits442]

16 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

Oh yeah, and even if you don’t listen to the manager you have pride to do the basics right. No chance he made it to where he is by just letting players walk past him.

....according to the report of his game of how he performed at Lille, it was made clear his short comings was that he failed to sense danger and his combination in the midfield catered for his failings!!!

  Just looking at YouTube, it is hard to believe basics such as being aware of what is happening and reading of the game, is not something he is not aware of. I think he will be a very impressive player, whether it is in the Premier or on the Continent. If it is just a clash of personalities, then there is no reason why he cannot perform in the Premier League.

[Tanya]

2 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

If his attitude stinks then this is also a fault of our recruitment. A huge part of our previous successes have been based on recruiting players with not only ability but the right mindset.

Oh absolutely,  we screwed up too. I'm just saying the player should also take some of the blame for what has transpired. If he showed promise (like Daka and Lookman have) then I'd be amenable to keeping him for another year 

[PAPA LAZAROU]

12 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

We've broken a potentially good player here. 

That's some statement. Care to explain how We broke him ?

[Grebfromgrebland]

I'm sure that before we bought him and when he turned down arsenal and Newcastle wanted him he could pass and dribble the ball.

 

 

[ARM1968]

I still think this guy has great potential. Not sure what has gone wrong really. Might be confidence, but binning him after a season won’t help that much. 

[An Away Move]

I still think he’s a great player and was not ‘totally shit from the start’ as the Yann Kermogant song famously goes. I remember thinking in the Charity Shield match that he was exactly what we needed as he held off two strong challenges and drove forwards. Previous to that we had been a little too lightweight in midfield. 
He has gone backwards since then. Difficult to know why. All the talk on here is very speculative. I don’t like how most slag him off though. It’s based on nothing but hot air. I really dislike the ‘he’s got an attitude problem’ trope, which is a racist trope that frequently gets rolled out at black players and very rarely at white players when things aren’t going well. More accurate to say we just don’t know what’s gone on with him. 

[Shane]

I think its very harsh to judge Soumare based on performances in positions he’s not suited to (eg: replacing Ndidi as the DM, playing high up the pitch in his cameo against Brentford, playing on the right hand side away at Spurs and many other examples). 
 

He should have replaced Tielemans for a few games in the 4-2-3-1, but Youri was undroppable despite his poor form. I think we would have seen a different Soumare in that role. 

 

If however, there are issues behind the scenes which Brendan has alluded to, then fair enough its probably best if everybody moves on.

[JimJams]

What does everybody think about making this kind of announcement though? On the one hand I suppose you’re telling people there’s an opportunity for them. On the other, you’re devaluing the player in a roundabout way as you’re saying we don’t want him.

So whilst it might increase the chance of a move (and I say might as you’d expect his agent is doing that job already) it almost definitely reduces their market value.

 

In the case of Vestegaard I’m all for it as you can’t get lower than zero.

[Pliskin]

5 hours ago, An Away Move said:

I still think he’s a great player and was not ‘totally shit from the start’ as the Yann Kermogant song famously goes. I remember thinking in the Charity Shield match that he was exactly what we needed as he held off two strong challenges and drove forwards. Previous to that we had been a little too lightweight in midfield. 
He has gone backwards since then. Difficult to know why. All the talk on here is very speculative. I don’t like how most slag him off though. It’s based on nothing but hot air. I really dislike the ‘he’s got an attitude problem’ trope, which is a racist trope that frequently gets rolled out at black players and very rarely at white players when things aren’t going well. More accurate to say we just don’t know what’s gone on with him. 

Here, here. There’s definitely a player in there. We don’t know what the issues have been, but I think it’s a damn shame we aren’t willing to give him a chance, unless Soumare has asked to leave the club of course. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

The problem seems that he isn't coachable. If he isn't working hard enough on his game or following instructions then he has to go.

[volpeazzurro]

18 hours ago, Shane said:

I think its very harsh to judge Soumare based on performances in positions he’s not suited to (eg: replacing Ndidi as the DM, playing high up the pitch in his cameo against Brentford, playing on the right hand side away at Spurs and many other examples). 
 

He should have replaced Tielemans for a few games in the 4-2-3-1, but Youri was undroppable despite his poor form. I think we would have seen a different Soumare in that role. 

 

If however, there are issues behind the scenes which Brendan has alluded to, then fair enough its probably best if everybody moves on.

Probably Rodgers is the issue behind the scenes, he's not the only player to have regressed in the last twelve months.

[Supergray22]

There may be a bit of confirmation bias going on here. People linking the issue to confirm their own agenda. There is clearly a problem behind the scenes but there isn’t a lot of detail or information being offered so it’s natural to speculate. We have seen that he has ability to succeed here albeit fleetingly but something is preventing him progressing and reaching his potential. We may only find out the true story after he leaves or maybe never. I’d have thought it would be more likely be a relationship issue with the rest of the team, or problems off the field than say the manager. But there you go now I’m doing it!
Whatever the problem is it is disappointing and frustrating for all parties. I just hope it can resolved one way or the other as quickly as possible so we can move on - for Soumare’s sake most importantly as well as everyone else. He has the most at stake here after all. 

Edited 27 May 2022 by Supergray22

[fox_up_north]

I think we've all had jobs where we've taken it but it's not turned out what we expected, so left soon after for something different. There's plenty of reasons why it might not be working. 

[Lesta2014]

Brendan very early on mentioned he takes too many touches, probably the same issue still happening now despite being told? 

[foxpleasure]

21 hours ago, An Away Move said:

I still think he’s a great player and was not ‘totally shit from the start’ as the Yann Kermogant song famously goes. I remember thinking in the Charity Shield match that he was exactly what we needed as he held off two strong challenges and drove forwards. Previous to that we had been a little too lightweight in midfield. 
He has gone backwards since then. Difficult to know why. All the talk on here is very speculative. I don’t like how most slag him off though. It’s based on nothing but hot air. I really dislike the ‘he’s got an attitude problem’ trope, which is a racist trope that frequently gets rolled out at black players and very rarely at white players when things aren’t going well. More accurate to say we just don’t know what’s gone on with him. 

Surely you are not suggesting that posters on here are not accurate! How very dare you!

[ClaphamFox]

On 25/05/2022 at 22:36, Costock_Fox said:

If his attitude stinks then this is also a fault of our recruitment. A huge part of our previous successes have been based on recruiting players with not only ability but the right mindset.

Hard to get that right every time though. Recruiting somebody is always a risk - sometimes it works out better than you could have hoped for and there are other times when it’s a disaster. You can never be 100% sure.

 

I was excited when we signed Soumare, but I remember going on a Lille message board to find out more about him and being surprised to find that none of their fans seemed remotely bothered about losing him. They seemed to regard him as a technically competent player, but not a particularly influential or important one for them. Maybe his shortcomings were always there, but they’ve just become more obvious when exposed to the pace the Premier League?

Edited 27 May 2022 by ClaphamFox

[Leeds Fox]

16 hours ago, JimJams said:

What does everybody think about making this kind of announcement though? On the one hand I suppose you’re telling people there’s an opportunity for them. On the other, you’re devaluing the player in a roundabout way as you’re saying we don’t want him.

So whilst it might increase the chance of a move (and I say might as you’d expect his agent is doing that job already) it almost definitely reduces their market value.

 

In the case of Vestegaard I’m all for it as you can’t get lower than zero.

Or, he’s states he’s not happy and would like to move back to France? 

[PAPA LAZAROU]

23 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

I'm sure that before we bought him and when he turned down arsenal and Newcastle wanted him he could pass and dribble the ball.

 

 

Well if it's all our fault, lets see if Arsenal and Newcastle come in for him? He wasn't going to make it anywhere in the Premier league. That became evident after only a few games not only to the manager but to most of the fans. These things happen and we have had more than our share of overseas flops i.e. Silver etc. so you just write it off and balance it against the fantastic signings that cost us very little like Mahrez and Vardy.

Edited 27 May 2022 by PAPA LAZAROU

[VLC86]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

Hard to get that right every time though. Recruiting somebody is always a risk - sometimes it works out better than you could have hoped for and there are other times when it’s a disaster. You can never be 100% sure.

 

I was excited when we signed Soumare, but I remember going on a Lille message board to find out more about him and being surprised to find that none of their fans seemed remotely bothered about losing him. They seemed to regard him as a technically competent player, but not a particularly influential or important one for them. Maybe his shortcomings were always there, but they’ve just become more obvious when exposed to the pace the Premier League?

It is hard to get recruitment right, but it’s not new to find out Congleton (who Rodgers brought in) got it wrong.

[ceebeefox]

Another foreign flop. We need to pick out the cream of the championship which , pace wise is akin to the premier league and bring on our own stars. The talent is there if you look for it but we seem to be more keen on lesser leagues abroad for scouting.