Noni Madueke

[kingfox]

37 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Had he not got injured last season or had his off the field issues then we wouldn't be in the mix for him and there was very little resistance from our fans when we wanted him last summer based on a very promising 1st season in PSV's first team and very strong European qualifying performances in July and August.

 

I agree he's a gamble based on last season but from a potential and skill set of the player then he's Wesley Fofanesque and these are the brave calls our experts have to make.

 

I love him. He ought to develop in to a beast of a player and I hope we can get him but the caveat is if they want stupid money then based on some question marks then I'd look elsewhere, even in a very scarce talent pool of left footed right wingers. There's some unbelievable players coming through in South America still not yet transferred, plus Tsyganakov deserves his shot in a top 5 European league.

Buying from the Eredivisie always seems to be more of a gamble compared to the top five divisions, numerous wingers in recent years have looked quality prospects from that league, they’ve got their big moves to a club in Europe’s top five divisions and haven’t lived up to the hype. It’s very easy to look better than they may actually be, when they’re facing Championship & League One standard defenders numerous times a season. 
 

Ziyech already looks on his way out at Chelsea, Stengs hardly contributed for Nice last season, you’ve had Berghuis, Bergwijn  and Jahanbakhsh(Luckily he didn’t join us) all head back to the Eredivisie after failed stints in the Premier League.

 

It’s easy to forget with Madueke, in the midst of him being linked last summer, he actually went on to sign a new contract, whether that contract has a release clause, who knows, but you could be looking in the 20-30 million region for him. 
 

Tsygankov plays in a league that you’d probably put on par with the Eredivisie, but he’s out of contract next summer, he’ll more than likely be cheaper and more easily attainable. Then you have Bourigeaud possibly available for under 10 million, also out of contract next summer.

 

Of course you’ll get people saying “Every signing is a gamble”, but when you look at certain contract situations, Tsygankov & Bourigeaud could be seen as less of a gamble than Madueke. 

[Dan]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Had he not got injured last season or had his off the field issues then we wouldn't be in the mix for him and there was very little resistance from our fans when we wanted him last summer based on a very promising 1st season in PSV's first team and very strong European qualifying performances in July and August.

 

I agree he's a gamble based on last season but from a potential and skill set of the player then he's Wesley Fofanesque and these are the brave calls our experts have to make.

 

I love him. He ought to develop in to a beast of a player and I hope we can get him but the caveat is if they want stupid money then based on some question marks then I'd look elsewhere, even in a very scarce talent pool of left footed right wingers. There's some unbelievable players coming through in South America still not yet transferred, plus Tsyganakov deserves his shot in a top 5 European league.

Going pure FM but Leicester bought Luka Romero and sold him to Man City for double what we did Mahrez. Is he on the list?

[Ric Flair]

9 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Going pure FM but Leicester bought Luka Romero and sold him to Man City for double what we did Mahrez. Is he on the list?

He's still very raw, barely played much yet. He's very highly rated, as is another Lazio left footed right winger who's just made his senior debut for Italy in Cancellieri. 

[Tanya]

Are we even linked with this lad though?

[Lambert09]

46 minutes ago, kingfox said:

Buying from the Eredivisie always seems to be more of a gamble compared to the top five divisions, numerous wingers in recent years have looked quality prospects from that league, they’ve got their big moves to a club in Europe’s top five divisions and haven’t lived up to the hype. It’s very easy to look better than they may actually be, when they’re facing Championship & League One standard defenders numerous times a season. 
 

Ziyech already looks on his way out at Chelsea, Stengs hardly contributed for Nice last season, you’ve had Berghuis, Bergwijn  and Jahanbakhsh(Luckily he didn’t join us) all head back to the Eredivisie after failed stints in the Premier League.

 

It’s easy to forget with Madueke, in the midst of him being linked last summer, he actually went on to sign a new contract, whether that contract has a release clause, who knows, but you could be looking in the 20-30 million region for him. 
 

Tsygankov plays in a league that you’d probably put on par with the Eredivisie, but he’s out of contract next summer, he’ll more than likely be cheaper and more easily attainable. Then you have Bourigeaud possibly available for under 10 million, also out of contract next summer.

 

Of course you’ll get people saying “Every signing is a gamble”, but when you look at certain contract situations, Tsygankov & Bourigeaud could be seen as less of a gamble than Madueke. 

I would argue it’s always less of a gamble from the big clubs. One thing you need to play for PSV, is the ability to handle pressure, because that atmosphere is fierce.  

 

Yes there are easier games but overall a lot of top talent goes into that league and whether they make the leap is case by case… I would have a good feeling about this one. I don’t expect a mahrez style wonder player, but a steady eddy who blows hot and cold like most wingers. 

 

Id guess he’d hit similar numbers to lookman which is fine by me 

Edited 20 July 2022 by Lambert09

[Pliskin]

2 minutes ago, Tanya said:

Are we even linked with this lad though?

Conversations were reportedly had when we played them in Europe. We’ve definitely had one eye on him. 

[woznotwos]

4 minutes ago, Tanya said:

Are we even linked with this lad though?

Nothing concrete no

[Tommy Fresh]

45 minutes ago, kingfox said:

Buying from the Eredivisie always seems to be more of a gamble compared to the top five divisions, numerous wingers in recent years have looked quality prospects from that league, they’ve got their big moves to a club in Europe’s top five divisions and haven’t lived up to the hype. It’s very easy to look better than they may actually be, when they’re facing Championship & League One standard defenders numerous times a season. 
 

Ziyech already looks on his way out at Chelsea, Stengs hardly contributed for Nice last season, you’ve had Berghuis, Bergwijn  and Jahanbakhsh(Luckily he didn’t join us) all head back to the Eredivisie after failed stints in the Premier League.

 

It’s easy to forget with Madueke, in the midst of him being linked last summer, he actually went on to sign a new contract, whether that contract has a release clause, who knows, but you could be looking in the 20-30 million region for him. 
 

Tsygankov plays in a league that you’d probably put on par with the Eredivisie, but he’s out of contract next summer, he’ll more than likely be cheaper and more easily attainable. Then you have Bourigeaud possibly available for under 10 million, also out of contract next summer.

 

Of course you’ll get people saying “Every signing is a gamble”, but when you look at certain contract situations, Tsygankov & Bourigeaud could be seen as less of a gamble than Madueke. 

I'd argue the gamble of buying from the Eredivisie isn't any bigger than anywhere else really.

[moore_94]

30 minutes ago, Tanya said:

Are we even linked with this lad though?

In John Percy’s article:

 

“Chelsea's highly-regarded defender Levi Colwill, PSV Eindhoven winger Noni Madueke and Celtic midfielder Matt O'Riley are high on Leicester's list but everything is on hold at this stage.”

Edited 20 July 2022 by moore_94

[kingfox]

31 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

I would argue it’s always less of a gamble from the big clubs. One thing you need to play for PSV, is the ability to handle pressure, because that atmosphere is fierce.  

 

Yes there are easier games but overall a lot of top talent goes into that league and whether they make the leap is case by case… I would have a good feeling about this one. I don’t expect a mahrez style wonder player, but a steady eddy who blows hot and cold like most wingers. 

 

Id guess he’d hit similar numbers to lookman which is fine by me 

Bergwijn jumped from PSV to Spurs, he failed to live up to expectations at Spurs, now he’s headed back to Holland with Ajax. 
 

Recent history of wingers jumping ship from the Eredivisie to Europe’s top five divisions paints a pretty dodgy picture. 
 

There’s been good feelings about numerous players out of the Eredivisie over the years, when it comes from a winger & striker standpoint, there’s been many underwhelming failings. 
 

Considering what we’ve spent on the likes of Perez & Soumare in recent years, Madueke in the £30 million range makes me slightly nervous.

37 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

I'd argue the gamble of buying from the Eredivisie isn't any bigger than anywhere else really.

I always think of players from the Eredivisie either turning out to be World Class or absolutely shit. 
 

They either turn out like Van Persie or turn out like Ricky Van Wolfswinkel.

[Guest Col city fan]

Madueke is a good player now and will become a very good player in the future.

Would be a good acquisition for the club 

[Lambert09]

2 minutes ago, kingfox said:

Bergwijn jumped from PSV to Spurs, he failed to live up to expectations at Spurs, now he’s headed back to Holland with Ajax. 
 

Recent history of wingers jumping ship from the Eredivisie to Europe’s top five divisions paints a pretty dodgy picture. 
 

There’s been good feelings about numerous players out of the Eredivisie over the years, when it comes from a winger & striker standpoint, there’s been many underwhelming failings. 
 

Considering what we’ve spent on the likes of Perez & Soumare in recent years, Madueke in the £30 million range makes me slightly nervous.

I always think of players from the Eredivisie either turning out to be World Class or absolutely shit. 
 

They either turn out like Van Persie or turn out like Ricky Van Wolfswinkel.

yeah I get the sceptism but players from the second tier of french football rarely make the step up either. 

 

Personally i’m all for the diamond in the rough gamble and always will be. The safety option for a club like ours these days does equate to someone like elyounoussi so i’d prefer we take a shot on a well scouted player in a riskier division. 

 

 

[AKCJ]

4 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

I don't know why but I don't think Madueke will be as good as a lot are hyping him up to be. 

The fact is he doesn't need to be that good to be a success.

 

Him being a left footed right winger gives us a lot of options. He's English and young which means he's got potential to be worth shed loads too.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

The fact is he doesn't need to be that good to be a success.

 

Him being a left footed right winger gives us a lot of options. He's English and young which means he's got potential to be worth shed loads too.

Plus the fact that the players we'd be looking for him to prove an improvement on are Perez and Albrighton - the bar's not exactly sky high. 

[ARM1968]

This guy has great potential. Good player already but would need to step up against Premier League fullbacks. Would be worth the punt at decent money, just don’t see it happening. 

[kingfox]

21 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

yeah I get the sceptism but players from the second tier of french football rarely make the step up either. 

 

Personally i’m all for the diamond in the rough gamble and always will be. The safety option for a club like ours these days does equate to someone like elyounoussi so i’d prefer we take a shot on a well scouted player in a riskier division. 

 

 

It’s a potential 20-30 million price tag that puts me off.

 

After the summer we had last year and the current position we find ourselves in, this would be one hell of a gamble.

 

When you could potentially get Tsygankov or Bourigeaud for much less, they make much more sense.

[Sly]

Bergwijn looked okay against us

 

He’d have done okay if he’d have got more games.  

[Tommy Fresh]

33 minutes ago, kingfox said:

Bergwijn jumped from PSV to Spurs, he failed to live up to expectations at Spurs, now he’s headed back to Holland with Ajax. 
 

Recent history of wingers jumping ship from the Eredivisie to Europe’s top five divisions paints a pretty dodgy picture. 
 

There’s been good feelings about numerous players out of the Eredivisie over the years, when it comes from a winger & striker standpoint, there’s been many underwhelming failings. 
 

Considering what we’ve spent on the likes of Perez & Soumare in recent years, Madueke in the £30 million range makes me slightly nervous.

I always think of players from the Eredivisie either turning out to be World Class or absolutely shit. 
 

They either turn out like Van Persie or turn out like Ricky Van Wolfswinkel.

Yeah it's served up some dross, but I think that's because the terrible players that make the move seem to be memorable for some reason, Alves etc. 

[Guest Col city fan]

Don’t anyone have a pop at Mark DeVries btw!

Quality player…!

😄

[Lambert09]

5 minutes ago, kingfox said:

It’s a potential 20-30 million price tag that puts me off.

 

After the summer we had last year and the current position we find ourselves in, this would be one hell of a gamble.

 

When you could potentially get Tsygankov or Bourigeaud for much less, they make much more sense.

All I care about now is that we go for the best player available. Id much rather spend a little more if we are more confident in a players ability. 

 

If I was choosing, 100% id want Bourigeud but thats because I think he's going to be a star. But if our scouts genuinely think Noni fits what we need more... then pay for it.  I think weve cut the corner on this one, 2 years in a row, now is the time to get our man. 

 

The fact this has been burning for over a year makes me sure weve scouted properly and know exactly what he's capable of and how he would fit. The others youve mentioned would appear to be more opportunistic than well thought out and our club has a history of messing those up. 

[kingfox]

5 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

All I care about now is that we go for the best player available. Id much rather spend a little more if we are more confident in a players ability. 

 

If I was choosing, 100% id want Bourigeud but thats because I think he's going to be a star. But if our scouts genuinely think Noni fits what we need more... then pay for it.  I think weve cut the corner on this one, 2 years in a row, now is the time to get our man. 

 

The fact this has been burning for over a year makes me sure weve scouted properly and know exactly what he's capable of and how he would fit. The others youve mentioned would appear to be more opportunistic than well thought out and our club has a history of messing those up. 

When Bourigeaud could be available for under 10 million, Tsygankov possibly available for under 20 million, Madueke for 20-30 million when we have to sell to buy, just seems more of an unlikely prospect. 
 

We’ve cut the corner on this one to the point where he signed a new deal with PSV, as I said earlier, that could have a release clause, if it doesn’t, then PSV could well hold out for £30 million plus. 
 

Last summer was the perfect time to get him tbf, we messed that up and he signed a new contract.

 

With our situation this summer, you look at the deal concerning players contracts & players that are known to be available, Bourigeaud or Tsygankov could be much more easier to do than a deal for Madueke.

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, kingfox said:

When Bourigeaud could be available for under 10 million, Tsygankov possibly available for under 20 million, Madueke for 20-30 million when we have to sell to buy, just seems more of an unlikely prospect. 
 

We’ve cut the corner on this one to the point where he signed a new deal with PSV, as I said earlier, that could have a release clause, if it doesn’t, then PSV could well hold out for £30 million plus. 
 

Last summer was the perfect time to get him tbf, we messed that up and he signed a new contract.

 

With our situation this summer, you look at the deal concerning players contracts & players that are known to be available, Bourigeaud or Tsygankov could be much more easier to do than a deal for Madueke.

We have to sell to buy anyone

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, kingfox said:

When Bourigeaud could be available for under 10 million, Tsygankov possibly available for under 20 million, Madueke for 20-30 million when we have to sell to buy, just seems more of an unlikely prospect. 
 

We’ve cut the corner on this one to the point where he signed a new deal with PSV, as I said earlier, that could have a release clause, if it doesn’t, then PSV could well hold out for £30 million plus. 
 

Last summer was the perfect time to get him tbf, we messed that up and he signed a new contract.

 

With our situation this summer, you look at the deal concerning players contracts & players that are known to be available, Bourigeaud or Tsygankov could be much more easier to do than a deal for Madueke.

I feel that we as a club look at the long term. Bourigeaud may save us money today but he wont increase in value. If Madueke is slighty better than expected... with his british premium... he suddenly doubles in value. Which is the model we like to follow. 

 

Im not saying your logic is wrong and again I agree with it.. but this is why the club might be more inclined to go for Noni over a player who is just as likely to flop (given he's had a whole career in the french league) that has less resale value. 

 

Theres a reason its looking easier to recoup money for soumare than vestergarde.  Because time is on soumare's side. 

Edited 20 July 2022 by Lambert09

[Sankey93]

Sign Noni please! I just have a feeling this lad is going to be a breath of fresh air. 

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