Was Rodgers right?

[Motty]

23 minutes ago, Claridge said:

He said we needed 6 new players and it seems we do. I don’t like Rodgers and want him gone, but I don’t envy the new manager with these bottle jobs. Zero backbone

probably to replace the ones he fell out with

[fazzyfox]

We desperately need more physicality, different types of players, one or two nasty so and so’s. Two or more goals yesterday came from being out-muscled, the likes of West Ham and Leeds shove us off the ball at will. Players who attack corners with the conviction that they’re going to win the ball if they have to collide with three opponents to do so. Leaders, shouters, organisers, players with fire in their belly and who never ever give up a chase. 
Oh and a couple of wingers we have faith in using as mentioned from around 2019.

[coolhandfox]

27 minutes ago, Claridge said:

He said we needed 6 new players and it seems we do. I don’t like Rodgers and want him gone, but I don’t envy the new manager with these bottle jobs. Zero backbone

Leadership is massive in sport on and off the pitch.

 

Look at the England cricket team, they had won 1 in 17, change of Leadership won 6 out of 7. 

[SafewayFox]

The summer refresh with 6 changes included Rodgers, Toure and Davies if ask me.

 

We’re clearly still ok going forward by scoring 4 goals in the last 2 games but our defensive frailties (11 conceded in that same time period) is because of the following -

 

1) Awful keeper who is by far the worst in the league….Iversen looked quality in the Championship so give him a go, everyone wanted Henderson based off his season in the Championship with Sheffield United.

 

2) Set piece issues - say no more

 

3) Lack of basic tactics that have clearly confused players, lop sided attacks down the left etc 

 

4) Rodgers alienating a high % of the squad.

So in answer to your question, Rodgers is WRONG and a bit of a douche (that’s the nicest thing I can call him right now)

 

[Richard]

Yes we do need a number of players in the refresh the team. However what he doesn’t recognise is that’s because the players he’s brought in haven’t been up to the standard. 
 

So he says he needs a refresh to overhaul his own poor recruitment. And it is all his recruitment because he got to bring in his own guy to oversee it

[foxfanazer]

Yeah he's right. A right twat!

[davieG]

Unfortunately Rodgers thinks we're capable of playing like Man City, (Evans is 5th behind 4 Man C player for the most passes and touches) we're not. Mistakes are being made by players being told to imitate Man C they're not good enough for that and neither is Rodgers in developing them. 

[coolhandfox]

3 minutes ago, davieG said:

Unfortunately Rodgers thinks we're capable of playing like Man City, (Evans is 5th behind 4 Man C player for the most passes and touches) we're not. Mistakes are being made by players being told to imitate Man C they're not good enough for that and neither is Rodgers in developing them. 

100% this. 

 

We are trying to be style over substance at the moment 

[davieG]

6 minutes ago, fazzyfox said:

We desperately need more physicality, different types of players, one or two nasty so and so’s. Two or more goals yesterday came from being out-muscled, the likes of West Ham and Leeds shove us off the ball at will. Players who attack corners with the conviction that they’re going to win the ball if they have to collide with three opponents to do so. Leaders, shouters, organisers, players with fire in their belly and who never ever give up a chase. 
Oh and a couple of wingers we have faith in using as mentioned from around 2019.

Not that I like it but the likes of Man c and Liverpool would players taking it in turns to get a yellow card to stop some of those attacks.

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

Yes he was right - we needed new players and the board have failed to protect this club to ensure we can compete.

 

However, never should this squad be bottom and going down like he has us.

[Silva Fox]

He doesn't use his subs anyway so he has no excuse.

[Sharpe's Fox]

He was right and we all agreed with him and most of us were willing to see that happen before we wanted him gone. Problem is he was running his mouth off and trying to bounce the club into getting his way.

[Xen]

We needed 6 new players because of his woeful mismanagement of the squad and resources he had to hand. 

 

He may have been right with what he said, but that doesn't absolve him of any blame for the position we've found ourselves in now.

[AyewJoking]

Anyone can see we needed 6 players.

 

Will need about 12 next season in the Championship.

 

 

[indierich06]

41 minutes ago, Claridge said:

He said we needed 6 new players and it seems we do. I don’t like Rodgers and want him gone, but I don’t envy the new manager with these bottle jobs. Zero backbone

I want a mansion, but if I can't afford one then I'll make the most of the place I do have. 

 

Rodgers is supposed to be one of the best coaches in the league, but all he seems to have done this season is bemoan the fact that he can't get the players he wants (used it as an excuse for terrible performances for half of last season too) rather than making the most of the players that he has. 

 

As a result he's got a bunch of players bereft of confidence, disinterested or disenchanted - and he's only got himself to blame for that. 

[sdb]

43 minutes ago, Claridge said:

He said we needed 6 new players and it seems we do. I don’t like Rodgers and want him gone, but I don’t envy the new manager with these bottle jobs. Zero backbone

We need 6 new players because he's recruited poor ones, ruined existing ones and shot the confidence of everyone else by publicly making comments like the above! Problem is, the wages he and his mates collect make it impossible. But he's such an ego he literally cannot connect those dots.

[Mark_w]

It doesn't really matter. Saying we desperately need a rebuild when the club can't afford to authorise one is a great way of killing the team's confidence.

[Ginger_Filbert]

Well the theory of not spending cause we don’t trust Rodgers and are saving it for the next manager can’t be true else he’d have been sacked already if the board had that train of thought. 

[st albans fox]

We dont need six players 

 

we need someone to organise the ones we do have effectively 

 

job 1 is to be ultra defensive with shape (not just numbers) and to concede max 1 goal 

 

then we have a chance to get a point. The recovery has to start somewhere. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome is madness …

[foxes_rule1978]

47 minutes ago, Claridge said:

He said we needed 6 new players and it seems we do. I don’t like Rodgers and want him gone, but I don’t envy the new manager with these bottle jobs. Zero backbone

No

[Xen]

16 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Sorry, but we have at least midtable quality everywhere except between the sticks. And we arguably have it there too if Iversen gets game time and continues to make the progress he did at PNE last season.

 

Let's think of a sensible lineup.

 

Iversen - POTY at Preston last season and still young enough to improve.

Soyuncu - Will be like a new signing if the new manager comes in, rebuilds his confidence and gets him back to 19-20 levels.

Evans - Experienced old head who's been instrumental in both Soyuncu and Fofana's best form.

Faes - Highly rated by one of the best international sides in the world. Good on the ball and strong in the tackle.

Ndidi/Soumare/Mendy - A difficult position to fill as the former is wildly inconsistent, the second is tough to judge and the latter is injury prone. Any are good enough on their day though.

Justin - Hasn't played for England for no reason. Hasn't been the same since his injury, but then neither has the team.

KDH/Tielemans - Breakthrough season last season. Could be excellent. Tielemans is absurdly talented on his day.

Maddison - On the verge of world class and criminally treated by Southgate. One of the best midfielders in England right now.

Castagne- Another of the Belgian contingent. Good going forward and pacey, with ability on the ball.

Daka - Terrifying pace and great finisher. Needs to up decision making, but has Vardy on hand to help with that - and he's one of the best in the business.

Iheanacho- Uncanny goals to game rate. Lethal on form. 

 

 

 

Sums it up nicely for me. We have a squad which is more than capable of upper-mid table, we're just not putting the pieces together on matchdays at the moment. That's a mixture of tactical failings (down to the manager), lack of consistency (again, manager), psychological failings (players, although the manager's comments and man-management havent helped) and lack of concentration/motivation leading to mistakes (players). A touch of bad recruitment perhaps, but certainly not the pivotal factor.

 

There are others in the squad as well who have genuine quality as well. Barnes is ridiculously good when on form, but needs a better guiding hand to keep him on the right track. Perez has shown glimpses of a real player when utilised in the right way. Albrighton has plenty of experience and can still produce when used in the right situations. Praet is very capable of being a mid-table squad player at least, and even Amartey has his uses, although CB in a struggling side is not one of them.

 

If we make the much-needed change at the helm then I've got no doubt that we'll have enough to stay up, and perhaps even challenge for top half if we get a decent run of form. But the longer we persist with BR, the more precarious our position will be...

[Le Renard]

If you look at Alex Ferguson's squads, he used to freshen up his attack every 3 years and he would do the same in other areas at different times, so Rodgers was probably right, but the way he's gone about it, hasn't won him any friends.  I think we'll only really know once he's been sacked.  If a new coach comes in and if they fail to get a tune out of the squad, then we can say Rodgers did have a valid point, although it still wouldn't fully excuse him from this god damn awful start.

Edited 18 September 2022 by Le Renard

[foxes_rule1978]

I got absolutely wasted beyond my normal level, and it didn’t help… get him out

[volpeazzurro]

58 minutes ago, Claridge said:

He said we needed 6 new players and it seems we do. I don’t like Rodgers and want him gone, but I don’t envy the new manager with these bottle jobs. Zero backbone

In any job, albeit you should try your best when being paid, it's difficult and demoralising if things aren't right at the top. If the players see right through Rodgers tactics or have no belief that his methods can lead to a competitive or winning season then their heads will be down. At this level of sport, everything has to be spot on. Belief and confidence are paramount, look at 2015/16! I think that Rodgers has been found out bug time. 

[Father Ted]

Rodgers has been here for 3 and a half years now. He’s still insistent on playing a 4-3-3 when we only have one competent (or at least according to Rodgers anyway) winger in Barnes. Our squad is a mess. We have two professional experienced centre halves not even making the squad. We have 6 central midfielders in the squad (and that’s not counting Maddison who should be taking up one of the central roles). We’ve failed to replace a top goalkeeper. 
 

This mess is down to Brendan. He’s been here long enough but has no clue how to manage a squad. I long for the days we have Nigel Pearson, who signed reliable players with the correct attitudes. We have no winners right now, no leaders, no players in that side to deal with defending set pieces, and that’s all down to poor recruitment. This is Rodgers mess and I feel sorry for whoever has to come in and sort this out.