Formula 1 2023

[isaidno]

Perez is lucky there's no-one decent in the junior team and F2 teams. He's having a nightmare at the moment.  

[Lionator]

Hamilton is 130 points behind with 12 races to go, if he can win most of those races and Verstappen retires in a few then he can catch him, you wouldn’t bet again the goat!

[HighPeakFox]

11 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Hamilton is 130 points behind with 12 races to go, if he can win most of those races and Verstappen retires in a few then he can catch him, you wouldn’t bet again the goat!

I would. 

[The Bear]

23 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Hamilton is 130 points behind with 12 races to go, if he can win most of those races and Verstappen retires in a few then he can catch him, you wouldn’t bet again the goat!

I'll have some of what you're smoking! 

[Wycombe Fox]

First F1 win achieved at Hungarian GP - Damon Hill > Jenson Button > Lando Norris?

 

£10 @ 8/1 👍

[moore_94]

Oh dear Lewis

[PhillippaT]

ARGH@LH

 

Alpine

Edited 23 July 2023 by PhillippaT

[Muzzy_no7]

Soon as I seen Lewis was a good half a metre from his white line and Verstappen was right on his I knew it would be pivotal. 

[Muzzy_no7]

Christ this sport needs to bring back Refuelling. 

[Super_horns]

All too predictable.

But again credit to McLaren on another excellent weekend  and Russell recovering well .

Edited 23 July 2023 by Super_horns

[VinceNoir]

Thought I’d give it a go today as the kids are out. **** me it’s a dull sport nowadays

[PhillippaT]

17 minutes ago, VinceNoir said:

Thought I’d give it a go today as the kids are out. **** me it’s a dull sport nowadays

Fundamentally it's because of reliability - though if it truly worked as 'expected', all cars would up in team order based on outright speed and finish that way, with very little if any overtakes at all, so...

[Sampson]

2 hours ago, VinceNoir said:

Thought I’d give it a go today as the kids are out. **** me it’s a dull sport nowadays

A couple of seasons ago was one of the most exciting seasons ever and wlooked forward to every race when Hamilton and Verstappen were neck and neck.

 

Barely watched a race the past season and a half, check the results and it's always the same. The sport is just no fun when the cars are leagues apart and finish in car order basically every race.

[PhillippaT]

1 minute ago, Sampson said:

A couple of seasons ago was one of the most exciting seasons ever and wlooked forward to every race when Hamilton and Verstappen were neck and neck.

 

Barely watched a race the past season and a half, check the results and it's always the same. The sport is just no fun when the cars are leagues apart and finish in car order basically every race.

This is the paradox of F1, compared to a spec series - we want a competitive show, but there's usually too much performance difference between teams to allow it to exist as much as possible, and by the time there's not, it resets again  

[BlueSi13]

****in' nora, for all the talk about teams slowly reeling in Red Bull they go and drop the most dominant race of the season.  

 

Over a 30 second gap to second and they weren't even pushing.  They'd easily be over a full minute up the road if they wanted to be.

 

At least with this consecutive wins record some can stop pretending this isn't the most dominant car/team of all time (by some margin).

 

11 wins in a row so this season (favourites to go for the clean sweep this season).  34 races since Abu Dhabi '21, Red Bull have won 29 of them.

 

It's not Red Bulls fault but this is unsustainable.  Especially as Liberty is desperate to crack the US market.  

 

 

[snoopy87]

Think this weekend was the last for me. Its not competitive in the slightest. For all the talk of the Merc and Ferrari dominant years, at least there was competition either internally or externally.

 

This is just someone playing a video game on easy now

[Leeds Fox]

As someone who watches but doesn’t really follow the bigger picture of the sport, could someone help me out…

 

How are Red Bull so far ahead of the field? Technology and design clearly, but surely there are people on Red Bulls engineering level who the other teams could employ?

 

As good as Verstappen is, is he 30 seconds better than Hamilton as a driver? Surely not.

[Lionator]

17 hours ago, Sampson said:

A couple of seasons ago was one of the most exciting seasons ever and wlooked forward to every race when Hamilton and Verstappen were neck and neck.

 

Barely watched a race the past season and a half, check the results and it's always the same. The sport is just no fun when the cars are leagues apart and finish in car order basically every race.

You can pick the number of seasons in the past 20 years where f1 has been exciting on one hand. 2006/2007/2008 was a glorious mini era. 2010 and 2012 were decent, with 2012 having 8 (EIGHT) different race winners, then really there’s only been 2021 where it’s been exciting. One exciting season in 11 is not good. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

13 hours ago, BlueSi13 said:

 

 

At least with this consecutive wins record some can stop pretending this isn't the most dominant car/team of all time (by some margin).

 

 

 

 

It’s just not true is it, only reason Hamilton never beat that record was the peak of Merc dominance when they were qualifying two seconds up the road sometimes was because he had someone on equal footing fighting in the same machinery. Had he had either bottas or Perez during that time it would’ve been a different story tbh

[BlueSi13]

5 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

It’s just not true is it, only reason Hamilton never beat that record was the peak of Merc dominance when they were qualifying two seconds up the road sometimes was because he had someone on equal footing fighting in the same machinery. Had he had either bottas or Perez during that time it would’ve been a different story tbh

Huh?  Whose talking about Hamilton/Verstappen?

 

Red Bull (12) just beat the consecutive wins by team record held by McLaren (11) since 1988.  Mercedes achieved 10 in a row during the '15-16, '16 and '19 seasons. 

 

Verstappen himself is currently on 7 in a row chasing down Vettel who did 9 on the spin in 2013.  

 

Rosberg did 7 in a row across the 15-16 seasons and Hamilton did 5 in a row in 2014.  

 

Don't forget.  All the other teams/drivers numbers were across full seasons.  Red Bull have done this in just half a season.  Only external factors are going to stop them getting the clean sweep this year.

 

Mercedes were dominant yes.  No doubt about it.  But I don't understand why some can't acknowledge what we are seeing here is a whole other level.  

[BlueSi13]

7 hours ago, Lionator said:

You can pick the number of seasons in the past 20 years where f1 has been exciting on one hand. 2006/2007/2008 was a glorious mini era. 2010 and 2012 were decent, with 2012 having 8 (EIGHT) different race winners, then really there’s only been 2021 where it’s been exciting. One exciting season in 11 is not good. 

2014 (Hamilton) and 2016 (Rosberg) were great seasons IMO.  Title wasn't decided until the very last race.  

[Zear0]

In most sports, when a team is at an absolute peak it's wonderful to watch. In F1 it's simply tedious. How do you pitch to the teams and rule makers that it'd be really good if you could all be equally naff? 

[UniFox21]

FIA being as normal as usual

 

 

[Super_horns]

4 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

FIA being as normal as usual

 

 

Or is it Liberty who run F1?

 

Either way poor PR.

[Super_horns]

5 grid penalty for Verstappen .

Might have to wait till lap 2/3 to lead then .