Rudkin

[Tommy G]

19 minutes ago, Raj said:

So you DID say Rudkin deserves praise!!!

 

 

Just putting that out there for all to see!!

If you want to pick up 3 words out the whole post and change the context.

 

Must be something better to do in your retirement!

[CosbehFox]

20 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

The journo Tom Collomosse on the last BSLB podcast seemed to suggest that he thought the issue was Rudkin being spread too thin (unless I am mistaken?). I am, like many, not happy with his track record and naivety with which he seems to have spaffed our strong position as a club up the wall. But I do wonder whether the issue is that he needs good people around him like a dedicated sporting director? Instead of doing several jobs to a poor standard.

 

And ask yourself why this situation has occurred. I don’t know the answer to that. Is Top and KP too tight to employ other people or something?

Worth mentioning as well that he felt (as a neutral or a rather Leeds fan) that the club is very old fashioned in how it's managed ie. autonomy of the chairman. A lot of he mentioned aligns with what I have heard or been told (the players not fancying Enzo as well). 

[Raj]

14 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

If you want to pick up 3 words out the whole post and change the context.

 

Must be something better to do in your retirement!

so to confirm  you DO want praise heaping onto Rudkin?

 

 

[Jimmy]

2 hours ago, Tommy G said:

If you want to pick up 3 words out the whole post and change the context.

 

Must be something better to do in your retirement!

you literally said he deserved praise for sacking him quickly, the only one trying to twist things that were said is you.

 

Its was reported at the time the hire was driven by Rudkin, even if it wasn't Top who fired him, though reports say it was, sacking a manager you picked after 12 games is not praise worthy its just correcting a monumental **** up, in most companies an exec who did that would be facing the sack themselves for that sort of thing

Edited 11 December 2024 by Jimmy

[Raj]

Come on @Tommy G think youv'e been outed as a Rudkin fan!!!🤣🤣🤣

[Mickyblueeyes]

Sacking the wrong choice after 3 months was the right decision. However the decision to sack him does not deserve praise. In fact, it further emphasises the inept original decision (alongside a number of other poor decisions) that has cost the club money and put it at risk. In football or "real life" the decision would be highly criticised. 

 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

You can't praise him or anyone really for sacking Cooper.

 

If I go and lick a wasps nest, moan about being stung - then immediately stop licking the wasps nest, I wouldn't deserve a pat on the head for wise or good decision making. 

Edited 11 December 2024 by Miquel The Work Geordie

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Doing your job badly and then rectifying that mistake 4 months later doesn't make you good at your job.

[Wymsey]

Think he's having a huge sigh of relief with Ruud's very positive impact.

[Bilo]

If I shit my pants at work and then go home and change, I won't be praised for my decision to change my pants.

[Foxy-Lady]

5 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

 

Ultimately, if JR is accountable for all this, you'd think that his position would be under review. It may be that DOFs have a shelf life in the same way that manager's do. A "hate figure" is always needed when a team's prospects start to nosedive. Rudkin has become that figure - especially now Steve Cooper has left - and I don't see that changing until or unless we start to have a significant uptick in our fortunes  

I seem to recall there WAS allegedly going to be a full review after our relegation season debacle.....dont remember reading anything being said about it since or, more significantly,  any notable changes in the senior hierarchy for those involved in all the decision making that led to such a dramatic decline.

 

makes me question why you think JRs position would ever be under review if nothing ever happened after the s**t-show of our relegation fiasco...?!? 

[Dahnsouff]

3 hours ago, Bilo said:

If I shit my pants at work and then go home and change, I won't be praised for my decision to change my pants.

This depends on how nice your replacement pants are. Surely.

[Guppys Love Child]

33 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

I seem to recall there WAS allegedly going to be a full review after our relegation season debacle.....dont remember reading anything being said about it since or, more significantly,  any notable changes in the senior hierarchy for those involved in all the decision making that led to such a dramatic decline.

 

makes me question why you think JRs position would ever be under review if nothing ever happened after the s**t-show of our relegation fiasco...?!? 

I've questioned this also.. 

 

I think the potential points deduction ( due to an equal Sh1t show of the incompetent financial running of the club) also took the lime light, so any review would, and IMO it did, hide quietly behind that. The fact that due to a loophole (please someone with a greater legal knowledge correct me if I'm wrong) we "got away with it" the culprits were again able to hide behind euphoria of no points deduction and sweep yet another fvck up under the carpet.  Something they seem to be very good at.  

 

Whilst I'm glad the decuction never happened, it would have been interesting to see what would have happened to Susan and Jonny boy if the sanction had actually been imposed. Possibly nothing.....

[ian__marshall]

4 hours ago, Bilo said:

If I shit my pants at work and then go home and change, I won't be praised for my decision to change my pants.

To be fair I think you would. Can't imagine many people would be happy having you around smelling like that 😂

[Bilo]

26 minutes ago, ian__marshall said:

To be fair I think you would. Can't imagine many people would be happy having you around smelling like that 😂

I suspect the focus would be more on the fact I shit my pants in the first place.

[Jobyfox]

4 hours ago, Foxy-Lady said:

I seem to recall there WAS allegedly going to be a full review after our relegation season debacle.....dont remember reading anything being said about it since or, more significantly,  any notable changes in the senior hierarchy for those involved in all the decision making that led to such a dramatic decline.

 

makes me question why you think JRs position would ever be under review if nothing ever happened after the s**t-show of our relegation fiasco...?!? 

That’s kind of my point really. Whilst I’m not always as convinced as everyone else seems to be that Rudkin is the devil incarnate it’s a situation of the clubs own making.
 

The absence of any structural change following our relegation means that the finger has been squarely pointed at JR. It’s difficult to comprehend that the consequence of that in house review was to decide that everything was fine off the pitch. 
 

The club’s attempt to just brush everything under the carpet, rather than make a visible change, has created a void of culpability. The absence of action means that the fans have stepped into that void and decided themselves who’s at fault 

[The Doctor]

15 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

Not sure of the reality of all this, but the truth is that we've been an excellently run club for much of Rudkin's reign. It all seemed to fall apart when Brendan was here and all the support staff started to be replaced with others. Signings became poor alongside inflated contracts that didn't match the quality of the player. The good decisions of previous eras were all undone over a short space of time. 

this is an important point to note and it comes down to giving Rodgers more and more power. there's a reason why Man Utd have been a joke since Fergie retired, why Arsenal were a car crash for a few years after Wenger left, and it comes down to the power those managers had, meaning when they left they caused huge disruption to the running of the club. The shelf life of a manager is so short these days that the manager should be a head coach which slots into an existing frame work, with the stability offered by the DoF. That doesn't really exist here now, and you can see that by the way each recent appointment has immediately frozen out aspects of the squad: Enzo with Souttar just months after signing, Cooper with Vestergaard just months after renewing. And you can see why, it's because each had a very different philosophy to the one previous.

 

Not to say rudkin should have more power, but he, or whoever the DoF is, shouldn't just be like the monarch, rubber stamping whatever is put in front of him, but instead should be the long term strategist and the checks and balance to a coaching team straying too far from an agreed structure and vision.

[Globalfox]

I think we may not know what his job is these days. He has not been seen since the Brentford away game which surprises me. You would have thought the new managers first two home games the director of football would be front and center even more so when the Chairman has been absent. With his other KP roles maybe he is no longer a DOF in the way we think about it. I think the one aspect that undermines him is he looks weak, a lot of decisions look weak, maybe this role is just too challenging for him or he has lost focus. It’s easy to do when you have a boss who pulls you in multiple directions. I believe that the big weakness as well is we keep rewarding service not always talent. Too many former players given jobs. The club has become too inward looking so cannot see or address its challenges. I believe the owner is too close to the players that’s an error. They need to understand they are employees and performance rules.

[alanf0x]

We want Rudkin out, say we want Rudkin out 

[Vlad the Fox]

At the end of last season it was reported that Enzo wanted a meeting with the club hierarchy about restructuring above him. Enzo said it wasn’t about replacing people but more about having more people in place to help those already there, 

 

They had the meeting and these things were agreed on and Enzo committed himself to the club (obviously before chelsea came knocking, which was felt in the bitter statement the club released when he left.
 

Question is why didn’t the club act upon what was discussed even though Enzo left? It’s almost like he went and they went “sod that then”, they should still have improved the structure regardless.   

[Wymsey]

Cooper rarely communicated with Rudkin and Top, especially towards the end of his tenure.

[Daggers]

Now you do not punish someone, Rudkin or otherwise for making big boobs.

 

If anything they should be rewarded…

…They should be equal!

[Chelmofox]

15 minutes ago, Vlad the Fox said:

Question is why didn’t the club act upon what was discussed even though Enzo left? It’s almost like he went and they went “sod that then”, they should still have improved the structure regardless.   

Do we know what they agreed to implement though? And even if they had agreed to implement it, what sort of timescales were they working towards. I could be wheels are (slowly) in motion still, or that if Enzo had people in mind to bring in then these all of a sudden became unavailable when he left.

[Bilo]

55 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Now you do not punish someone, Rudkin or otherwise for making big boobs.

 

If anything they should be rewarded…

…They should be equal!

'Do you wanna know what makes us look like a pair of bollocks? The ***** in the middle!'

[MattFox]

On 11/12/2024 at 14:17, Jobyfox said:

I think there is a narrative that's now built up around Rudkin that every bad decision is his and every perceived good decision must be someone elses. It's a bit like when Steve Walsh was here and every good signing was one of his and every bad one was down to the manager. 

 

Not sure of the reality of all this, but the truth is that we've been an excellently run club for much of Rudkin's reign. It all seemed to fall apart when Brendan was here and all the support staff started to be replaced with others. Signings became poor alongside inflated contracts that didn't match the quality of the player. The good decisions of previous eras were all undone over a short space of time. 

 

Ultimately, if JR is accountable for all this, you'd think that his position would be under review. It may be that DOFs have a shelf life in the same way that manager's do. A "hate figure" is always needed when a team's prospects start to nosedive. Rudkin has become that figure - especially now Steve Cooper has left - and I don't see that changing until or unless we start to have a significant uptick in our fortunes  

The disastrous window of summer 2016 and the Silva fiasco all happened pre Rodgers