Rudkin

[Aleksz]

2 hours ago, Globalfox said:

We were recently asked to assemble data for a hiring campaign for a major sporting director. Since we assembled a ton of data  to build the job metrics, hiring strategy and KPI’s we decided to look at where Jon Rudkin fits and if there is a reason Top May not seem keen to move him. Now you have to eliminate the style of football and emotion. The facts are that in English foot ball 

over his tenure Rudkin is the second or third most successful Director of Football. Only Man City’s recently departed DOF is better. remember in his tenure only 4 teams other than Leicester won the EPL, only 5 teams other than Leicester won an FA Cup, yes we have had two relegations but also two promotions. On transfers income in to income out is not the big loss we perceive it’s about 15 million euro per season he has been in charge. Considering the heights we strove to reach is not that bad and for our revenue capacity is better than many. Wages is the big downfall and we wonder is there another element at play. Cold facts are that his resume is quire good. I can hear the howls coming but would someone else have delivered more? Has he run out of steam or has the club hit a natural ceiling? For an incoming DOF if you told them 3 trophies, two promotions, two top five finishes and a European cup quarter final in 20 years would you get someone who can deliver on what in comparison is not a high salary. To be honest we think we would struggle to find a candidate.

In addition to your post - this bit of research came out this week.

 

 

[Tommy G]

3 hours ago, Globalfox said:

We were recently asked to assemble data for a hiring campaign for a major sporting director. Since we assembled a ton of data  to build the job metrics, hiring strategy and KPI’s we decided to look at where Jon Rudkin fits and if there is a reason Top May not seem keen to move him. Now you have to eliminate the style of football and emotion. The facts are that in English foot ball 

over his tenure Rudkin is the second or third most successful Director of Football. Only Man City’s recently departed DOF is better. remember in his tenure only 4 teams other than Leicester won the EPL, only 5 teams other than Leicester won an FA Cup, yes we have had two relegations but also two promotions. On transfers income in to income out is not the big loss we perceive it’s about 15 million euro per season he has been in charge. Considering the heights we strove to reach is not that bad and for our revenue capacity is better than many. Wages is the big downfall and we wonder is there another element at play. Cold facts are that his resume is quire good. I can hear the howls coming but would someone else have delivered more? Has he run out of steam or has the club hit a natural ceiling? For an incoming DOF if you told them 3 trophies, two promotions, two top five finishes and a European cup quarter final in 20 years would you get someone who can deliver on what in comparison is not a high salary. To be honest we think we would struggle to find a candidate.

Ok that's enough now John.

[Product of 84]

2 hours ago, 87fox said:

Earlier this year we lost 9 home games on the trot without scoring a single goal.

It was a terrible time. I had my whole family with me for the Brentford game. It felt like we were simply going through the motions to the inevitable relegation. 

 

However, can you compare the two? 

 

Norwich are a club I'd suggest are a similar size to Leicester yet we are comparing two very different leagues.

Our losing run was towards the end of the season, theirs at the beginning. 

Most 'experts' felt Norwich would have a strong season not many predicted Leicester too in the Premier League.

 

I just think we have to be patient. 

[Spudulike]

10 minutes ago, Product of 84 said:

It was a terrible time. I had my whole family with me for the Brentford game. It felt like we were simply going through the motions to the inevitable relegation. 

 

However, can you compare the two? 

 

Norwich are a club I'd suggest are a similar size to Leicester yet we are comparing two very different leagues.

Our losing run was towards the end of the season, theirs at the beginning. 

Most 'experts' felt Norwich would have a strong season not many predicted Leicester too in the Premier League.

 

I just think we have to be patient. 

In what way are Norwich of a similar club size to LCFC? 

[87fox]

26 minutes ago, Product of 84 said:

It was a terrible time. I had my whole family with me for the Brentford game. It felt like we were simply going through the motions to the inevitable relegation. 

 

However, can you compare the two? 

 

Norwich are a club I'd suggest are a similar size to Leicester yet we are comparing two very different leagues.

Our losing run was towards the end of the season, theirs at the beginning. 

Most 'experts' felt Norwich would have a strong season not many predicted Leicester too in the Premier League.

 

I just think we have to be patient. 

I can understand your sentiment but I believe it's mistaken. We aren't of a comparable size to Norwich:

 

Premier Leagues 1 - 0

FA Cups 1 - 0

League Cups 3 - 2
Major honours 7 - 2

 

Seasons in top tier 57 - 27

Seasons in third tier 1 - 29

 

~47% of our history we've been in the top tier

~28% of their history they've been in the top tier

7 consecutive league home defeats, but they also scored 5 goals in those games, and picked up 9 points on the road
9 consecutive league home defeats, we scored 0 goals in those games, and in that time picked up just 3 points on the road

Our run was way, way worse.

We're still sinking to new lows, now lower than when King Power took over, but people are still clapping the players off the pitch.

Edited 11 November 2025 by 87fox

[Fox92]

14 minutes ago, Product of 84 said:

It was a terrible time. I had my whole family with me for the Brentford game. It felt like we were simply going through the motions to the inevitable relegation. 

 

However, can you compare the two? 

 

Norwich are a club I'd suggest are a similar size to Leicester yet we are comparing two very different leagues.

Our losing run was towards the end of the season, theirs at the beginning. 

Most 'experts' felt Norwich would have a strong season not many predicted Leicester too in the Premier League.

 

I just think we have to be patient. 

Be patient for what? Another relegation? This has been happening year after year and nothing has changed. 

 

Divisions and club sizes (we're bigger than Norwich btw) have nothing to do with it. Doesn't matter if you're in the Premier League or League Two.

 

At the end of the day there is more people willing to get behind protests at Norwich. Our fans have been brainwashed by King Power. 

 

On Saturday at Norwich, I joined in with Rudkin Out/Sack The Board as I always do and the bloke next to me bizarrely told me how I was wrong. We had a debate but I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Well, actually I could. There are not enough people behind any form of protest, not even simple chants, within our fan base. We seem to have a different attitude to fanbases that actually protest such as West Ham, Leeds, Everton and seemingly even Norwich. Good on fanbases like this.

 

[Tommy G]

5 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Be patient for what? Another relegation? This has been happening year after year and nothing has changed. 

 

Divisions and club sizes (we're bigger than Norwich btw) have nothing to do with it. Doesn't matter if you're in the Premier League or League Two.

 

At the end of the day there is more people willing to get behind protests at Norwich. Our fans have been brainwashed by King Power. 

 

On Saturday at Norwich, I joined in with Rudkin Out/Sack The Board as I always do and the bloke next to me bizarrely told me how I was wrong. We had a debate but I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Well, actually I could. There are not enough people behind any form of protest, not even simple chants, within our fan base. We seem to have a different attitude to fanbases that actually protest such as West Ham, Leeds, Everton and seemingly even Norwich. Good on fanbases like this.

 

What did he say? Remember we used to be in League One?

[Sol thewall Bamba]

29 minutes ago, Product of 84 said:

It was a terrible time. I had my whole family with me for the Brentford game. It felt like we were simply going through the motions to the inevitable relegation. 

 

However, can you compare the two? 

 

Norwich are a club I'd suggest are a similar size to Leicester yet we are comparing two very different leagues.

Our losing run was towards the end of the season, theirs at the beginning. 

Most 'experts' felt Norwich would have a strong season not many predicted Leicester too in the Premier League.

 

I just think we have to be patient. 

Jesus. No wonder we're so meek as a fan base when we have so little respect for ourselves that people say this tripe. 

[ealingfox]

As I've said previously I think this sizeable chunk of our fanbase has convinced themselves that we were always in League One until King Power came along.

[Tommy Fresh]

1 hour ago, ealingfox said:

As I've said previously I think this sizeable chunk of our fanbase has convinced themselves that we were always in League One until King Power came along.

It's funny how they can't acknowledge that despite the achievements of the club under King Power it takes some real crap to undo all of that good work.

 

Not even taking in to account them failing to initially capitalise on the title win, we were well on our way to establishing ourselves as European regulars and massively ****ed it.

[CosbehFox]

8 hours ago, AjcW said:

Something i've banged on about since 2015 is, if all that you've said above is true, why didn't he get poached, why didn't Susan get poached, why didn't Anthony go and get a mega job with the City group or another big 6 club.

 

Same goes for staff in all parts of the club, no one leaves, they stay in the same position for years, it's mental  

You can quite simply pin it on - Rudkin takes control of the DoF whilst in the Premier League, we are now in the Championship. The end. 

Edited 11 November 2025 by CosbehFox

[CosbehFox]

4 hours ago, Product of 84 said:

It was a terrible time. I had my whole family with me for the Brentford game. It felt like we were simply going through the motions to the inevitable relegation. 

 

However, can you compare the two? 

 

Norwich are a club I'd suggest are a similar size to Leicester yet we are comparing two very different leagues.

Our losing run was towards the end of the season, theirs at the beginning. 

Most 'experts' felt Norwich would have a strong season not many predicted Leicester too in the Premier League.

 

I just think we have to be patient. 

You can't because one of them has the biggest wage bill in the league and until beating Norwich had a record of 1 win in 11. One is a gross failure, while the other is a failure. 

[Corky]

Our run was significantly worse. Norwich would probably, if things had been slightly different, have had at least 5-7 points in this spell. We were 3-0 at half time three times, barely looked like scoring in most and were abysmal in 7 out of 9 (Man City and Liverpool we showed reasonable spirit and quality).

 

I don't care what size of club you are, our run was an all time record-breaking run of awfulness. No fan base should accept it.

[Chrysalis]

4 hours ago, Product of 84 said:

It was a terrible time. I had my whole family with me for the Brentford game. It felt like we were simply going through the motions to the inevitable relegation. 

 

However, can you compare the two? 

 

Norwich are a club I'd suggest are a similar size to Leicester yet we are comparing two very different leagues.

Our losing run was towards the end of the season, theirs at the beginning. 

Most 'experts' felt Norwich would have a strong season not many predicted Leicester too in the Premier League.

 

I just think we have to be patient. 

Patient for what, will Rudkin suddenly start doing things differently and become more capable, Will Top suddenly start making rise decisions out of nowhere?

 

I fully agree with the point, that there was nothing on 9 home games with no goals scored shows how passive the attending fans have become, no passion.

[Ashley]

5 hours ago, Product of 84 said:

It was a terrible time. I had my whole family with me for the Brentford game. It felt like we were simply going through the motions to the inevitable relegation. 

 

However, can you compare the two? 

 

Norwich are a club I'd suggest are a similar size to Leicester yet we are comparing two very different leagues.

Our losing run was towards the end of the season, theirs at the beginning. 

Most 'experts' felt Norwich would have a strong season not many predicted Leicester too in the Premier League.

 

I just think we have to be patient. 

Norwich similar size to Leicester? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

Jesus christ. Just no. 

 

 

[RedSoxUK]

9 hours ago, Globalfox said:

We were recently asked to assemble data for a hiring campaign for a major sporting director. Since we assembled a ton of data  to build the job metrics, hiring strategy and KPI’s we decided to look at where Jon Rudkin fits and if there is a reason Top May not seem keen to move him. Now you have to eliminate the style of football and emotion. The facts are that in English foot ball 

over his tenure Rudkin is the second or third most successful Director of Football. Only Man City’s recently departed DOF is better. remember in his tenure only 4 teams other than Leicester won the EPL, only 5 teams other than Leicester won an FA Cup, yes we have had two relegations but also two promotions. On transfers income in to income out is not the big loss we perceive it’s about 15 million euro per season he has been in charge. Considering the heights we strove to reach is not that bad and for our revenue capacity is better than many. Wages is the big downfall and we wonder is there another element at play. Cold facts are that his resume is quire good. I can hear the howls coming but would someone else have delivered more? Has he run out of steam or has the club hit a natural ceiling? For an incoming DOF if you told them 3 trophies, two promotions, two top five finishes and a European cup quarter final in 20 years would you get someone who can deliver on what in comparison is not a high salary. To be honest we think we would struggle to find a candidate.

This is all well and good but Rudkin stood on the shoulders of giants (Walsh/Mills, Pearson/Shakey and the scouting team that THEY assembled.)

 

They went on to get promotions (Walsh - DoF at Everton, Wigglesworth (Arsenal then head scout at Wolves,) Mackenzie (Spurs,) and I'm sure there's more....everyone wants to be associated (unfortunately, as is Rudkin.)

 

Funny how no one can point to the value Rudkin added to get to the success? he's not a scout or seasoned DoF, but a youth coach that happened to be promoted to DoF at the right time. Shall we forget how Pearson was sacked, but not really... How utterly embarrassing that was.

 

Following the immediate success we handed out big fat contracts, signed some big fat players as well. The point is the man overseeing the structural replacement was Jon Rudkin, who oversaw a decline there onwards. Throwing money at shit chief scouts and Rodgers' Congerton further evidenced Rudkin didn't actually know what he was doing. He has massively over spent on wages beyond our means, getting relegated with the biggest wage bill ever. Failed PSR multiple times. Relegated twice in three years. Sit mid table still with over paid average players many of whom Rudkin gave contacts too when we were top 8 PL.

 

He should have 100% been sacked the summer we regressed in the market (losing Fofana and Kasper, getting ****ing Faes in return and **** all else.) Which would have been due to Rudkins mismanagement RE: handing out big contracts to average players in the years prior. Despite surviving the sack. He then survived getting sacked despite relegation. It's a clown world thought that Rudkin is in anyway a good DoF. The man has overseen the biggest decline of a football club in decades.

[sdb]

14 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

This is all well and good but Rudkin stood on the shoulders of giants (Walsh/Mills, Pearson/Shakey and the scouting team that THEY assembled.)

 

They went on to get promotions (Walsh - DoF at Everton, Wigglesworth (Arsenal then head scout at Wolves,) Mackenzie (Spurs,) and I'm sure there's more....everyone wants to be associated (unfortunately, as is Rudkin.)

 

Funny how no one can point to the value Rudkin added to get to the success? he's not a scout or seasoned DoF, but a youth coach that happened to be promoted to DoF at the right time. Shall we forget how Pearson was sacked, but not really... How utterly embarrassing that was.

 

Following the immediate success we handed out big fat contracts, signed some big fat players as well. The point is the man overseeing the structural replacement was Jon Rudkin, who oversaw a decline there onwards. Throwing money at shit chief scouts and Rodgers' Congerton further evidenced Rudkin didn't actually know what he was doing. He has massively over spent on wages beyond our means, getting relegated with the biggest wage bill ever. Failed PSR multiple times. Relegated twice in three years. Sit mid table still with over paid average players many of whom Rudkin gave contacts too when we were top 8 PL.

 

He should have 100% been sacked the summer we regressed in the market (losing Fofana and Kasper, getting ****ing Faes in return and **** all else.) Which would have been due to Rudkins mismanagement RE: handing out big contracts to average players in the years prior. Despite surviving the sack. He then survived getting sacked despite relegation. It's a clown world thought that Rudkin is in anyway a good DoF. The man has overseen the biggest decline of a football club in decades.

Mic drop

[Product of 84]

5 hours ago, 87fox said:

I can understand your sentiment but I believe it's mistaken. We aren't of a comparable size to Norwich:

 

Premier Leagues 1 - 0

FA Cups 1 - 0

League Cups 3 - 2
Major honours 7 - 2

 

Seasons in top tier 57 - 27

Seasons in third tier 1 - 29

 

~47% of our history we've been in the top tier

~28% of their history they've been in the top tier

7 consecutive league home defeats, but they also scored 5 goals in those games, and picked up 9 points on the road
9 consecutive league home defeats, we scored 0 goals in those games, and in that time picked up just 3 points on the road

Our run was way, way worse.

We're still sinking to new lows, now lower than when King Power took over, but people are still clapping the players off the pitch.

Good post. I concede that Norwich are not as 'big' as Leicester based on the facts. 

 

I agree our run was worse.

 

I was simply trying to point out Norwich expected a much stronger season than they are having while we got what most people expected. Also that you can't compare the two teams due to different leagues/expectations. 

 

Look, I feel the pain just as much as everyone else. I'm simply prepared to see this season through and see how next season is going before calling for a change of owners.

 

Unless we are relegated 

Edited 11 November 2025 by Product of 84

[The Year Of The Fox]

20 minutes ago, Product of 84 said:

Good post. I concede that Norwich are not as 'big' as Leicester based on the facts. 

 

I agree our run was worse.

 

I was simply trying to point out Norwich expected a much stronger season than they are having while we got what most people expected. Also that you can't compare the two teams due to different leagues/expectations. 

 

Look, I feel the pain just as much as everyone else. I'm simply prepared to see this season through and see how next season is going before calling for a change of owners.

 

Unless we are relegated 

What makes you think things are going to improve during this season? 

[87fox]

58 minutes ago, Product of 84 said:

Good post. I concede that Norwich are not as 'big' as Leicester based on the facts. 

 

I agree our run was worse.

 

I was simply trying to point out Norwich expected a much stronger season than they are having while we got what most people expected. Also that you can't compare the two teams due to different leagues/expectations. 

 

Look, I feel the pain just as much as everyone else. I'm simply prepared to see this season through and see how next season is going before calling for a change of owners.

 

Unless we are relegated 

Respectfully, do you not think that would be too late?

 

Have you not seen enough regression and failure over the past 4 years?

[Donwebbio]

There is zero evidence that they have the will or the skillset to turn around this juggernaut of failure. I know some people who have this Stockholm Syndrome when it comes to King Power or anything Aiyatwat & Rudkin related. It's a deep-rooted blind spot that makes otherwise logical people act like blinkered cult followers.The sad reality for the whole fanbase is that it means we will be divided for years to come or until they sell up.

[Blue ROI]

3 minutes ago, Donwebbio said:

There is zero evidence that they have the will or the skillset to turn around this juggernaut of failure. I know some people who have this Stockholm Syndrome when it comes to King Power or anything Aiyatwat & Rudkin related. It's a deep-rooted blind spot that makes otherwise logical people act like blinkered cult followers.The sad reality for the whole fanbase is that it means we will be divided for years to come or until they sell up.

And no matter who the new owners are the majority of the happy clappers will suddenly start finding all sorts of faults with them 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

12 hours ago, Globalfox said:

We were recently asked to assemble data for a hiring campaign for a major sporting director. Since we assembled a ton of data  to build the job metrics, hiring strategy and KPI’s we decided to look at where Jon Rudkin fits and if there is a reason Top May not seem keen to move him. Now you have to eliminate the style of football and emotion. The facts are that in English foot ball 

over his tenure Rudkin is the second or third most successful Director of Football. Only Man City’s recently departed DOF is better. remember in his tenure only 4 teams other than Leicester won the EPL, only 5 teams other than Leicester won an FA Cup, yes we have had two relegations but also two promotions. On transfers income in to income out is not the big loss we perceive it’s about 15 million euro per season he has been in charge. Considering the heights we strove to reach is not that bad and for our revenue capacity is better than many. Wages is the big downfall and we wonder is there another element at play. Cold facts are that his resume is quire good. I can hear the howls coming but would someone else have delivered more? Has he run out of steam or has the club hit a natural ceiling? For an incoming DOF if you told them 3 trophies, two promotions, two top five finishes and a European cup quarter final in 20 years would you get someone who can deliver on what in comparison is not a high salary. To be honest we think we would struggle to find a candidate.

Pressuambly off the back of your data and recommendations your client approached Rudkin for the role right?

[Ashley]

1 hour ago, Product of 84 said:

Good post. I concede that Norwich are not as 'big' as Leicester based on the facts. 

 

I agree our run was worse.

 

I was simply trying to point out Norwich expected a much stronger season than they are having while we got what most people expected. Also that you can't compare the two teams due to different leagues/expectations. 

 

Look, I feel the pain just as much as everyone else. I'm simply prepared to see this season through and see how next season is going before calling for a change of owners.

 

Unless we are relegated 

Also, IF Leicester had the catchment area Norwich did and we had the success that we have done, we would easily have a 45-50k seater Stadium. 

 

 

[Aus Fox]

12 hours ago, Globalfox said:

We were recently asked to assemble data for a hiring campaign for a major sporting director. Since we assembled a ton of data  to build the job metrics, hiring strategy and KPI’s we decided to look at where Jon Rudkin fits and if there is a reason Top May not seem keen to move him. Now you have to eliminate the style of football and emotion. The facts are that in English foot ball 

over his tenure Rudkin is the second or third most successful Director of Football. Only Man City’s recently departed DOF is better. remember in his tenure only 4 teams other than Leicester won the EPL, only 5 teams other than Leicester won an FA Cup, yes we have had two relegations but also two promotions. On transfers income in to income out is not the big loss we perceive it’s about 15 million euro per season he has been in charge. Considering the heights we strove to reach is not that bad and for our revenue capacity is better than many. Wages is the big downfall and we wonder is there another element at play. Cold facts are that his resume is quire good. I can hear the howls coming but would someone else have delivered more? Has he run out of steam or has the club hit a natural ceiling? For an incoming DOF if you told them 3 trophies, two promotions, two top five finishes and a European cup quarter final in 20 years would you get someone who can deliver on what in comparison is not a high salary. To be honest we think we would struggle to find a candidate.

So, are you going to recommend Rudkin to the hiring firm as the ideal candidate for their job?