Rudkin

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, mozartfox said:

Great call, but more chance of having an interview with Babylon.

Rudkin been offered umpteen times for an interview by excellent journalists. He has no interest in it 

[Babylon]

23 hours ago, JimmyC74 said:

Without doubt not *all* our troubles can be laid solely at Rudders door. 

 

That said it does not fill you with confidence that he is still in overall charge of scouting / recruitment / footballing strategy at a time when we expect to start the season with a (six points minimum) points deduction, need to build a squad capable of staying up (probably needing 50 points) at the same time as selling players to avoid a PSR breach for 2023-24.

 

Those issues would challenge the best DofF and if we are to crawl our way back as an established side in the prem that is what we need.

 

Realistically most of the stuff you’ve listed is delegated. A general direction might come from the top, but I’d imagine that’s about it. The rest will be agreeing / signing off other proposals 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

5 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Realistically most of the stuff you’ve listed is delegated. A general direction might come from the top, but I’d imagine that’s about it. The rest will be agreeing / signing off other proposals 

So he's not in charge of anything then?

[coolhandfox]

@Chocolate Teapot don't you ever get bored of having a hate boner for Top, Rudkin, the club? 

 

 

 

Edited 16 June 2024 by coolhandfox

[JimmyC74]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

Realistically most of the stuff you’ve listed is delegated. A general direction might come from the top, but I’d imagine that’s about it. The rest will be agreeing / signing off other proposals 

Not so sure about that but, the overarching point is the Club needs to recruit better, more experienced football people to oversee the strategy and deliver better outcomes.

[Daggers]

Transfer embargo quietly lifted - does Rudkin even know?

 

Why haven't we made thirteen signings this morning?

 

And a managerial team?

 

And some more signings?

 

Man is an idiot.

[themightyfin]

We really are such cry babies as a fan base.

 

Supporting a football club is all about sticking with them through good times and bad.

 

We have experienced the most successful period in our history resulting in European tours, Premier league title and an FA Cup.

 

We rolled the dice to try and sit with the big boys and almost made it, but ultimately the gamble didn't pay off so now we are in for a few years of suffering. 

 

Now we as a fan basecwe have to suck it up while we rebuild and go again.

 

That's as good as we can realistically expect as Leicester Fans.

 

Ask fan bases out there If they  would swop out position and what we have experienced over the last 10 years and 95% of them would swop to be in our position now with what proceeded.  

 

I can goto my grave a happy man having experienced that Premier league title, something I thought I would never see.

 

So I will eternally be greatful to

Top

Susan

Rudkin

And Yes Doris 

 

And all the others that were involved to get us that. 

 

A big part of being a fan is resilience something I think some of our fans sadly lack. 

 

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, themightyfin said:

We really are such cry babies as a fan base.

 

Supporting a football club is all about sticking with them through good times and bad.

 

We have experienced the most successful period in our history resulting in European tours, Premier league title and an FA Cup.

 

We rolled the dice to try and sit with the big boys and almost made it, but ultimately the gamble didn't pay off so now we are in for a few years of suffering. 

 

Now we as a fan basecwe have to suck it up while we rebuild and go again.

 

That's as good as we can realistically expect as Leicester Fans.

 

Ask fan bases out there If they  would swop out position and what we have experienced over the last 10 years and 95% of them would swop to be in our position now with what proceeded.  

 

I can goto my grave a happy man having experienced that Premier league title, something I thought I would never see.

 

So I will eternally be greatful to

Top

Susan

Rudkin

And Yes Doris 

 

And all the others that were involved to get us that. 

 

A big part of being a fan is resilience something I think some of our fans sadly lack. 

 

 I can broadly agree with the sentiment but too many big strategic mistakes have been made past few years for them to get a pass. Tbf, I have no idea whether the main problems lay with SW, JR or Top. My suspicions are that SW is less guilty than the other two. 

[themightyfin]

Just now, st albans fox said:

 I can broadly agree with the sentiment but too many big strategic mistakes have been made past few years for them to get a pass. Tbf, I have no idea whether the main problems lay with SW, JR or Top. My suspicions are that SW is less guilty than the other two. 

Does it matter? We are all human beings and all make mistakes.

 

 

It's a team. We succeed and fail together. 

 

When a team gets relegated fans can blame a keeper for being crap or a striker for missing chances but ultimately it's the team that failed together as everyone realises in the end.

 

There is no one person to blame just like it was not one person who gave us our successes .

 

 

[Phenom]

14 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

We really are such cry babies as a fan base.

 

Supporting a football club is all about sticking with them through good times and bad.

 

We have experienced the most successful period in our history resulting in European tours, Premier league title and an FA Cup.

 

We rolled the dice to try and sit with the big boys and almost made it, but ultimately the gamble didn't pay off so now we are in for a few years of suffering. 

 

Now we as a fan basecwe have to suck it up while we rebuild and go again.

 

That's as good as we can realistically expect as Leicester Fans.

 

Ask fan bases out there If they  would swop out position and what we have experienced over the last 10 years and 95% of them would swop to be in our position now with what proceeded.  

 

I can goto my grave a happy man having experienced that Premier league title, something I thought I would never see.

 

So I will eternally be greatful to

Top

Susan

Rudkin

And Yes Doris 

 

And all the others that were involved to get us that. 

 

A big part of being a fan is resilience something I think some of our fans sadly lack. 

 

A big part of being a fan is also holding those in charge accountable. They are never bigger than the club. And they’ve made a lot of mistakes lately.

[Realist Guy In The Room]

21 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

We really are such cry babies as a fan base.

 

Supporting a football club is all about sticking with them through good times and bad.

 

We have experienced the most successful period in our history resulting in European tours, Premier league title and an FA Cup.

 

We rolled the dice to try and sit with the big boys and almost made it, but ultimately the gamble didn't pay off so now we are in for a few years of suffering. 

 

Now we as a fan basecwe have to suck it up while we rebuild and go again.

 

That's as good as we can realistically expect as Leicester Fans.

 

Ask fan bases out there If they  would swop out position and what we have experienced over the last 10 years and 95% of them would swop to be in our position now with what proceeded.  

 

I can goto my grave a happy man having experienced that Premier league title, something I thought I would never see.

 

So I will eternally be greatful to

Top

Susan

Rudkin

And Yes Doris 

 

And all the others that were involved to get us that. 

 

A big part of being a fan is resilience something I think some of our fans sadly lack. 

 

‘Through the good times and the bad, we always back the lads’

 

When did this stop?

[CosbehFox]

 

Personally find the ‘we won the PL’ line unambitious and meek. 
 

The club had a chance to throw off the tag of being an also ran. To do what clubs of a similar size have repeatedly achieved. To become a fresh, forward thinking club. For the city to have something it’s known for and for the next generations to have something envious. 
 

Meekly accepting ‘it is what is’ doesn’t help the club grow. Every forward pushing organisation is constantly assessing its performance, evaluating and evolving. We dont do any of those three. 

 

[themightyfin]

8 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

‘Through the good times and the bad, we always back the lads’

 

When did this stop?

You have obviously not read this post. 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

@Chocolate Teapot don't you ever get bored of having a hate boner for Top, Rudkin, the club? 

 

 

 

When you think it’s such an obstacle for the genuine progress of LCFC. I suspect not. 

[Matt]

33 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

We really are such cry babies as a fan base.

 

Supporting a football club is all about sticking with them through good times and bad.

 

We have experienced the most successful period in our history resulting in European tours, Premier league title and an FA Cup.

 

We rolled the dice to try and sit with the big boys and almost made it, but ultimately the gamble didn't pay off so now we are in for a few years of suffering. 

 

Now we as a fan basecwe have to suck it up while we rebuild and go again.

 

That's as good as we can realistically expect as Leicester Fans.

 

Ask fan bases out there If they  would swop out position and what we have experienced over the last 10 years and 95% of them would swop to be in our position now with what proceeded.  

 

I can goto my grave a happy man having experienced that Premier league title, something I thought I would never see.

 

So I will eternally be greatful to

Top

Susan

Rudkin

And Yes Doris 

 

And all the others that were involved to get us that. 

 

A big part of being a fan is resilience something I think some of our fans sadly lack. 

 

I mean I agree with parts and disagree with others.

 

This notion of you support your team through thick and thin - Does that mean we can't be critical, criticize or hold people/sections accountable?

 

To quote a Chelsea flag, which in turn takes the piss out of Man City "We've seen things they'll never see" applies very much or even more so to ourselves, quite right and it's a proud history we have and I wouldn't swap it for the anything.

 

You speak of resilience and say it's something our fans lack, personally I think when we're up against it, a siege mentality, it's when we as a club and fanbase are at our best.

 

If anything, that's where I do think we've slipped up as a club and fanbase is it's all become abit to comfortable, abit too easy, alot has been allowed to slide or turn a blind eye to, lots of happy clapping in recent years and I fear that being at our best when we come up against adversity has been lost.

 

Edited 16 June 2024 by Matt

[1972 Fox]

@Babylon would have you believe that Rudkin has no accountability for our massively excessive wage bill.

[coolhandfox]

4 hours ago, st albans fox said:

 I can broadly agree with the sentiment but too many big strategic mistakes have been made past few years for them to get a pass. Tbf, I have no idea whether the main problems lay with SW, JR or Top. My suspicions are that SW is less guilty than the other two. 

I just think an element of laziness and complacency after 9 years of being a PL club.

 

[ronnup]

Support the team through thick and thin does not have to apply to the business men and women involved I'm afraid.  There's too many examples of how wrong that is out there to mention.

[when_you're_smiling]

3 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

 

Personally find the ‘we won the PL’ line unambitious and meek. 
 

To do what clubs of a similar size have repeatedly achieved. To become a fresh, forward thinking club. For the city to have something it’s known for and for the next generations to have something envious. 
 

Meekly accepting ‘it is what is’ doesn’t help the club grow. Every forward pushing organisation is constantly assessing its performance, evaluating and evolving. We dont do any of those three. 

 

Does/did it? Do we have the turnover to be a Man City/United/Chelsea/Liverpool/Arsenal? No we don’t.

 

That’s even before you factor in FFP. (Ive deliberately omitted Spurs because we’ve won more than them recently anyway! 🤣)

 

The club should always push to grow, but pushing to grow also involves an acceptance that you get setbacks and that those with bigger resources have way more room to get away with it. See Man U/Chelsea etc.

[LcFc_Smiv]

4 hours ago, themightyfin said:

We really are such cry babies as a fan base.

 

Supporting a football club is all about sticking with them through good times and bad.

 

We have experienced the most successful period in our history resulting in European tours, Premier league title and an FA Cup.

 

We rolled the dice to try and sit with the big boys and almost made it, but ultimately the gamble didn't pay off so now we are in for a few years of suffering. 

 

Now we as a fan basecwe have to suck it up while we rebuild and go again.

 

That's as good as we can realistically expect as Leicester Fans.

 

Ask fan bases out there If they  would swop out position and what we have experienced over the last 10 years and 95% of them would swop to be in our position now with what proceeded.  

 

I can goto my grave a happy man having experienced that Premier league title, something I thought I would never see.

 

So I will eternally be greatful to

Top

Susan

Rudkin

And Yes Doris 

 

And all the others that were involved to get us that. 

 

A big part of being a fan is resilience something I think some of our fans sadly lack. 

 

Me and my dad got into a bit of a disagreement a few months back when all the financial stuff came out and I made comments around my disgruntlement towards Top, Rudkin and co and how I’d become pretty disillusioned with the club.

 

His point was, since when has it mattered? We used to rock up to games together to support the club without knowing very much of what was going on, just largely who the manager was, and who the players were and that was enough to give the team our full support. He’s seen us win the premier league and an FA cup, two things he was pretty convinced we’d never win. The fact that I started going to games with him in 97/98, we had to sit through some tough times off the pitch and some absolute dross on it, so I can see why his support doesn’t waiver now. 
 

The other element is, and I appreciate that people can only share what they hear/get told. I’ve worked for a club based in a small town where information would get passed around by local ITK’s and journalists, and it amazed my just how wide of the mark some of the stuff being shared was. The way the club was run I’d say it was pretty easy for information to get out, so I can only imagine in some Chinese whisper type of way the information would end up distorted. I always try to remember this when I find myself getting wound up by information that’s shared on here. 

[CosbehFox]

38 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said:

Does/did it? Do we have the turnover to be a Man City/United/Chelsea/Liverpool/Arsenal? No we don’t.

 

That’s even before you factor in FFP. (Ive deliberately omitted Spurs because we’ve won more than them recently anyway! 🤣)

 

The club should always push to grow, but pushing to grow also involves an acceptance that you get setbacks and that those with bigger resources have way more room to get away with it. See Man U/Chelsea etc.

Atalanta with a 25k capacity stadium winning the Europa League and repeated good performance in the league. 
 

Clever transfer workings, having a clear method of operation, good youth system, whilst off the pitch making sure your city is totally behind your club with various engagement schemes and develop the stadium.

As it stands we have no legacy of the glory years to build our revenue. It’s a huge missed opportunity. 

 

[Ric Flair]

6 hours ago, themightyfin said:

Does it matter? We are all human beings and all make mistakes.

 

 

It's a team. We succeed and fail together. 

 

When a team gets relegated fans can blame a keeper for being crap or a striker for missing chances but ultimately it's the team that failed together as everyone realises in the end.

 

There is no one person to blame just like it was not one person who gave us our successes .

 

 

By that metric no football club should ever get rid of players or managers either then. All in it together, all human and make honest mistakes.

 

It's no less important off the field as it is on it at being effective.

[Pliskin]

6 hours ago, themightyfin said:

Ask fan bases out there If they  would swop out position and what we have experienced over the last 10 years and 95% of them would swop to be in our position now with what proceeded.  

 

 

Not according to Forest fans, their last ten years have far exceeded our own apparently. 

[HankMarvin]

5 hours ago, 1972 Fox said:

@Babylon would have you believe that Rudkin has no accountability for our massively excessive wage bill.

Do you think it came as a massive shock to Top?

[Collymore]

It's s not the team it's individuals that can be easily identified to be blamed for our relegation. 

 

Brendan Rodgers 

John Rudkin

Danny Ward

 

Ultimately it's Top too as he allowed a DOF to allow a manager to self destuct and to play Danny Ward in a relegation season.