The ashes 2023

[goose2010]

Question is who replaces Broad ? Will Archer ever be fit enough to play a test ?? 

[Lionator]

2 minutes ago, goose2010 said:

Question is who replaces Broad ? Will Archer ever be fit enough to play a test ?? 

Seems to be Tongue, Potts, Robinson and Anderson for the time being. 

[StanSP]

These are the outcomes of what you were asked to predict back in mid-June!

 

Most runs: Usman Khawaja (496)

 

Most wickets: Mitchell Starc (23)

 

Most catches (non-wk): Steve Smith (11)

 

Most run-outs: No run-outs in the series

 

Most sixes: Ben Stokes (15)

 

Most England runs: Zak Crawley (480)

 

Most Australia runs: Usman Khawaja (496)

 

Total combined team runs across the series: 6089 (Eng - 3079; Aus - 3010)

 

 

@Voll Blau & I got Stokes correct for most sixes 

 

@Tommy Fresh & I got Smith correct for Most Catches

 

@Bert shrewdly picked no run-outs all series. 

 

@leicsmac expertly picked closest to the most combined runs (5999)

[bmt]

Who won player of the series?

[Lcfc-1992]

13 minutes ago, bmt said:

Who won player of the series?

Woakes

[AjcW]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

Seems to be Tongue, Potts, Robinson and Anderson for the time being. 

Obviously love Jimmy but not sure how on earth he can consider carrying on now Broad has gone. Thought it would have made sense for them to retire together to be honest. 
 

This series Broad looked like he had a year or two left in him, Jimmy looked done. 

[Bert]

33 minutes ago, Lcfc-1992 said:

Woakes

Root.

 

Woakes was our player of the series as chosen by the Aussie coach. Root won the overall one which was decided by crickets version of Opta. 

[Lionator]

39 minutes ago, AjcW said:

Obviously love Jimmy but not sure how on earth he can consider carrying on now Broad has gone. Thought it would have made sense for them to retire together to be honest. 
 

This series Broad looked like he had a year or two left in him, Jimmy looked done. 

Jimmy was great in Pakistan last winter, so he could do the same in India.

 

I don’t think Jimmy has been bad at all, the pitches just haven’t suited him. His economy rate shows you that he’s been tough to score against. 

[Osavo]

3 hours ago, goose2010 said:

Question is who replaces Broad ? Will Archer ever be fit enough to play a test ?? 

Archer won't ever play test match cricket again, imo.

 

There's some solid quicks in the wings; I really liked the look of Tongue, Potts made a promising start and Robinson is the natural replacement in terms of style. Sam Cook and Gus Atkinson as uncapped options look pretty talented too. 

 

The trouble is, despite the quality of potential replacements, Broad will be so difficult to replace for two reasons. His fitness levels, whereby he can play every test, every summer are incredible, whereas most of our other options seem to break down after 3 consecutive matches (even less for players like Mahmood, Stone, Carse). Secondly, his ability to sense an occasion and swing a match is something which comes naturally to very few. His competitive streak is also so infectious and wills others on too.

 

He's had a remarkable career, was brilliant to see him go out on such a high. 

[tom27111]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

Jimmy was great in Pakistan last winter, so he could do the same in India.

 

I don’t think Jimmy has been bad at all, the pitches just haven’t suited him. His economy rate shows you that he’s been tough to score against. 

 

Jimmy has even said he's been a bit frustrated because these pitches weren't set up for his game.

[leicsmac]

14 hours ago, leicsmac said:

And provided the next wicket falls before 300 England win this by at least 50 runs.

 

On 30/07/2023 at 21:00, leicsmac said:

On this pitch, in this situation, one wicket will bring a few. Still don't see them getting past 300.

 

On 30/07/2023 at 22:10, leicsmac said:

There's a reason this target or higher has only been chased successfully seven times in Test history, and only once in England (Bradman's Invincibles at Headingley in 1948), even with every flat pitch and friendly atmosphere conditions imaginable across all those Tests. It's difficult to maintain the momentum necessary for that amount of runs without making enough mistakes, even on a docile pitch and if there's the odd hundred stand.

 

Interestingly, most of the victories have come with only 3 or 4 wickets down maximum, which also indicates that making these big targets tends to only happen when specialist batsmen are still at the crease.

 

 

Mixed bag then. One right, one wrong, one damn close.

 

Superb win, 2-2 probably a fair result but you do do wonder what if about a couple of things that might have gotten England to win it. One thing's for sure, their playing style certainly hasn't been discredited, even if it hasn't been 100% vindicated either.

Edited 1 August 2023 by leicsmac

[Super_horns]

8 hours ago, Bert said:

Root.

 

Woakes was our player of the series as chosen by the Aussie coach. Root won the overall one which was decided by crickets version of Opta. 

Wasn't Root overall player of the year.

 

And Woakes player of this series? 

 

Both well deserved.

Edited 1 August 2023 by Super_horns

[Tommy Fresh]

8 hours ago, Osavo said:

Archer won't ever play test match cricket again, imo.

 

There's some solid quicks in the wings; I really liked the look of Tongue, Potts made a promising start and Robinson is the natural replacement in terms of style. Sam Cook and Gus Atkinson as uncapped options look pretty talented too. 

 

The trouble is, despite the quality of potential replacements, Broad will be so difficult to replace for two reasons. His fitness levels, whereby he can play every test, every summer are incredible, whereas most of our other options seem to break down after 3 consecutive matches (even less for players like Mahmood, Stone, Carse). Secondly, his ability to sense an occasion and swing a match is something which comes naturally to very few. His competitive streak is also so infectious and wills others on too.

 

He's had a remarkable career, was brilliant to see him go out on such a high. 

Sam Cook is very good, but I fear he'll be the bowling version of James Hildreth. He's averaging 19 or something daft with the ball and still hasn't had a look in.

[Tommy Fresh]

10 hours ago, StanSP said:

These are the outcomes of what you were asked to predict back in mid-June!

 

Most runs: Usman Khawaja (496)

 

Most wickets: Mitchell Starc (23)

 

Most catches (non-wk): Steve Smith (11)

 

Most run-outs: No run-outs in the series

 

Most sixes: Ben Stokes (15)

 

Most England runs: Zak Crawley (480)

 

Most Australia runs: Usman Khawaja (496)

 

Total combined team runs across the series: 6089 (Eng - 3079; Aus - 3010)

 

 

@Voll Blau & I got Stokes correct for most sixes 

 

@Tommy Fresh & I got Smith correct for Most Catches

 

@Bert shrewdly picked no run-outs all series. 

 

@leicsmac expertly picked closest to the most combined runs (5999)

After you changed from Starc to Cummins when he missed the first test 

[RowlattsFox]

9 hours ago, Lionator said:

Jimmy was great in Pakistan last winter, so he could do the same in India.

 

I don’t think Jimmy has been bad at all, the pitches just haven’t suited him. His economy rate shows you that he’s been tough to score against. 

If the pitches don't suit Anderson here, where will they? This style of England team doesn't want them kind of pictures. 

 

He will probably go to India and do a containing job but he's eyeing up one more summer against Sri Lanka and West Indies to reach 700 wickets. 

[StanSP]

18 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

After you changed from Starc to Cummins when he missed the first test 

I was a fool! 

[Osavo]

32 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Sam Cook is very good, but I fear he'll be the bowling version of James Hildreth. He's averaging 19 or something daft with the ball and still hasn't had a look in.

From what I've read, their main concern is that he's not quite quick enough.

[Lcfc-1992]

1 hour ago, Super_horns said:

Wasn't Root overall player of the year.

 

And Woakes player of this series? 

 

Both well deserved.

Yeah that’s what I thought. But then Starc won the player of the series for Australia so possibly it was Root that got the overall

[Bert]

2 hours ago, Lcfc-1992 said:

Yeah that’s what I thought. But then Starc won the player of the series for Australia so possibly it was Root that got the overall

Root wasn’t player of the year. He was the player of the series because of his 400 odd runs and 7 wickets. They said it in the presentation and that award was based solely on stats. 

[Tommy Fresh]

3 hours ago, Osavo said:

From what I've read, their main concern is that he's not quite quick enough.

Reckon he could do a job in tests in England though

[Warks_Mackem]

23 hours ago, Lionator said:

Seems to be Tongue, Potts, Robinson and Anderson for the time being. 

As a Durham fan I’m a big fan of young Pottsy but I’m not sold on him as a Test cricketer- yet.

 

Tongue should be the next cab off the rank. 85-90 mph too which is a crucial point of difference.

[Silebyfox_89]

On 31/07/2023 at 19:36, Lionator said:

Seems to be Tongue, Potts, Robinson and Anderson for the time being. 

Add Jamie Overton too now he's recovered from a back injury.

It does look like we're moving away from the standard green tops in order to have more rounded bowlers for away tours. 

Pace/height is a key feature in order to compete in Aus hence Tongue, Overton, Mahmood getting game time under Bazball. Hence why Cook/porter at Essex aren't given a sniff.

 

For the life of me I cannot understand why Sam Hain isn't in the England setup his list A average is ridiculous & smashing it in the red ball game for 2 seasons now too. I'd have him in for future tours.

[Tommy Fresh]

11 minutes ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

Add Jamie Overton too now he's recovered from a back injury.

It does look like we're moving away from the standard green tops in order to have more rounded bowlers for away tours. 

Pace/height is a key feature in order to compete in Aus hence Tongue, Overton, Mahmood getting game time under Bazball. Hence why Cook/porter at Essex aren't given a sniff.

 

For the life of me I cannot understand why Sam Hain isn't in the England setup his list A average is ridiculous & smashing it in the red ball game for 2 seasons now too. I'd have him in for future tours.

Bell-Drummond not getting a look in at all in both white ball formats seems strange.

[BSLBPod]

10 hours ago, Bert said:

Root wasn’t player of the year. He was the player of the series because of his 400 odd runs and 7 wickets. They said it in the presentation and that award was based solely on stats. 

He was player of the summer - including the Ireland test.

[RonnieTodger]

On 31/07/2023 at 20:36, StanSP said:

 

 

Total combined team runs across the series: 6089 (Eng - 3079; Aus - 3010)

That’s the real Ashes.