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The ashes 2023

By winteriscoming, in General Football and Sport

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Phil Bowman

Phil Bowman

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9 hours ago, leicsmac said:

I'm truly sorry to keep repeating myself here, but the simple truth is that the current style is:

 

1. Getting lots of people to talk about the game (possibly subjective)

 

and

 

2. Winning far more games than it loses or draws (absolutely not subjective and a matter of record)

 

People can of course complain about it if they want, but I wish I understood why someone would complain about a style that has up to the present time been so very successful for the team in a variety of ways, beyond the typical English propensity to have a moan.

I think the reason I complain about it (well, I don't actually complain about it, I've just pretty much lost interest) is that I liked it when test matches and one day matches were different things, and in test matches you'd see people patiently build an innings over time (sometimes a lot of time) - the time taken being part of it because it was part of the tactics over the five days. There's always been a place for bish bash bosh cricket, but now there isn't really a place for much else, and for me, something of great value has been lost.

leicsmac

leicsmac

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8 minutes ago, Phil Bowman said:

I think the reason I complain about it (well, I don't actually complain about it, I've just pretty much lost interest) is that I liked it when test matches and one day matches were different things, and in test matches you'd see people patiently build an innings over time (sometimes a lot of time) - the time taken being part of it because it was part of the tactics over the five days. There's always been a place for bish bash bosh cricket, but now there isn't really a place for much else, and for me, something of great value has been lost.

It's an interesting argument to make.

 

Personally I do still think Test cricket and one-day/T20 are still separate beasts tactically even with the ultra-attacking mentality that England have recently brought to it, there's just a need for different tactics, rather than less depth of them.

Phil Bowman

Phil Bowman

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1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

I do still think Test cricket and one-day/T20 are still separate beasts tactically

This may be true (as I say, I've pretty much lost interest!), but I don't find them very different from each other any more as spectator experiences.

 

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

It's an interesting argument to make.

To be honest it isn't really an argument as such; just my own view of it.

I'm sure I'm in a tiny minority on this, but it turns out one of the main things I enjoyed about Test cricket was its slow, patient unfolding and developing over the five days. I liked there often being sessions which produced 60 runs and maybe one wicket. It made the dramatic sessions where a lot happened more meaningful.

For me, anyway. I'm not saying that it was objectively a better game in those days, but I certainly liked it more.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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2 minutes ago, Phil Bowman said:

This may be true (as I say, I've pretty much lost interest!), but I don't find them very different from each other any more as spectator experiences.

 

To be honest it isn't really an argument as such; just my own view of it.

I'm sure I'm in a tiny minority on this, but it turns out one of the main things I enjoyed about Test cricket was its slow, patient unfolding and developing over the five days. I liked there often being sessions which produced 60 runs and maybe one wicket. It made the dramatic sessions where a lot happened more meaningful.

For me, anyway. I'm not saying that it was objectively a better game in those days, but I certainly liked it more.

Fair to say.

 

Speaking personally, while entertainment and the contest is important to me, I tend to watch Test cricket - and most other sport - to see the team I follow win. This style is both entertaining for me and seemingly facilitates that.

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Phil Bowman

Phil Bowman

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Just now, leicsmac said:

I tend to watch Test cricket - and most other sport - to see the team I follow win.

Ah. I watch football that way, always have, but cricket much less so.

I do think when I was young the cricket-watching audience was a lot less partisan. That may well be another part of what I miss about the old days.

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Bordersfox

Bordersfox

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8 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Is Bairstow a bit overweight or muscular? 

He's always been stocky and powerful.  But perhaps he's just a little under baked after the lay off.  Isn't playing like that though!

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