James_lcfc Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 6 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: Think about what Rodgers said about him when he first arrived (wanted to make him more box to box and score goals), then look how he employed him, either trying to do that or defensive midfielder. If you then read this demonstrating his strong and weak points, it was no surprise it didn't work out. Likewise he improved under Smith somewhat when employed in a more natural role. https://breakingthelines.com/player-analysis/player-analysis-boubakary-soumare/ Let’s be honest now, nobody improved under Smith, so I don’t know what you mean there. I don’t think he was ever particularly restricted in a Rodgers system either? There was definitely opportunity to show what he’s capable of anyway. Too easy to blame Rodgers when Soumare never turned out a decent 90 minutes. Centre midfielders in the Prem need to be dynamic and capable of playing different roles in and out of possession. I didn’t see any of the strengths mentioned in that article other than a few instances of driving forward with the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 2 hours ago, Stadt said: Even in a succesful set up you still have to carry him, he doesn't work hard enough, nor he is he able to play as a 6 and he's not creative/threatening enough to play as an 8. He's had 1 successful season in his career up to now and that was in a niche set up at Lille. ...an #8 does not have to bring creativity, there is more than one way to play this role!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OntarioFox Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 gerrimout Probably the single greatest example of the diminishing returns of the Rodgers era. One great game against Wolves, otherwise one of the most languid and soft-bellied players I've ever seen in a Leicester shirt. If we get even half of what we paid for him I'll be happy. We could get a better midfielder for £4-5 million based purely on application. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richmondfox Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 Watch the first 10 seconds of this highlights from the first Man Utd game this season, this sums up Soumare at Leicester. Even when he see the player with the ball and is the closet to him he jogs slower than my nan. No urgency, I’m not sure if he’s lazy or just thick. https://youtu.be/7O8fz7TTYXw 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OntarioFox Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 2 minutes ago, Richmondfox said: Watch the first 10 seconds of this highlights from the first Man Utd game this season, this sums up Soumare at Leicester. Even when he see the player with the ball and is the closet to him he jogs slower than my nan. No urgency, I’m not sure if he’s lazy or just thick. https://youtu.be/7O8fz7TTYXw F**k me that's atrocious. I know we shouldn't judge a player on something that happened months ago, but as you say, that sums up his career for us. Lazy or braindead? It's like Viz wrote Shakespeare. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLittleBigMan Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 Big loss that. What every team needs more than anything, is a player constantly losing the ball running around fu*k knows where. Can't see us being able to replace that calibre of player anytime soon. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, James_lcfc said: Let’s be honest now, nobody improved under Smith, so I don’t know what you mean there. I don’t think he was ever particularly restricted in a Rodgers system either? There was definitely opportunity to show what he’s capable of anyway. Too easy to blame Rodgers when Soumare never turned out a decent 90 minutes. Centre midfielders in the Prem need to be dynamic and capable of playing different roles in and out of possession. I didn’t see any of the strengths mentioned in that article other than a few instances of driving forward with the ball. I agree that he didn't get improved by Smith, he was merely played in his best position ie in between the other midfield players, not defensive, not attacking. He's a facilitator and there are a number of them that are not seen as dynamic, it's not that sort of eye-catching contribution. Think Didier Deschamps for example, the epitome of a grey man, certainly not dynamic, yet he'd be one of the first names on the sheet for Juventus and France. Edited 19 July 2023 by volpeazzurro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 I think Soumare has deceptive pace. (He’s even slower than he looks). Wtf would Napoli want Soumare for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 The laziest player I've ever witnessed playing for us!!!... Tielemans a close second. As Peggy Mitchell said in Eastenders... 'Get out of my Club'!! (well close enough) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxin_Mad Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 Get it done. Mediocre player, adds nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafewayFox Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 1 hour ago, Richmondfox said: Watch the first 10 seconds of this highlights from the first Man Utd game this season, this sums up Soumare at Leicester. Even when he see the player with the ball and is the closet to him he jogs slower than my nan. No urgency, I’m not sure if he’s lazy or just thick. https://youtu.be/7O8fz7TTYXw In his defence….Rodgers told him to not track a player so it’s not his fault 😜 I know that we all still have a lot of angst against Rodgers but some of the posts blaming him for Soumare putting in minimal effort is beyond madness. Shame as he actually has a quite good first touch so if had better application/game awareness wouldn’t have been the worst back up to Winks but at times would be like playing with a man down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyshireFox Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 Torino also mentioned in L’equipe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 See both the Italian Teams are looking for loans? Do Italian Teams ever pay anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm1 Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 The fastest he's moved in a City shirt is when he did that little jig on the centre circle, after a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 3 hours ago, Col city fan said: I think Soumare has deceptive pace. (He’s even slower than he looks). Wtf would Napoli want Soumare for? €5 million. He will kick ass over there, watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUHILL Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 This is a player we just have to cut our losses on and get gone asap. Not sure if I will ever know if he has the fitness of an OAP, or he just really couldn't be bothered to put the work in. Either way, it shouldn't be our problem much longer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Viva Posted 20 July 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 20 July 2023 Bad mistake not selling him last summer. Should have cut our losses as it was clear he was so far off what we needed. For me, centre mid was the key area that got us relegated and he was useless! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyKopCorner Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 With Soumare and Tielemans our midfield pair at the end of last season you could drive a horse and coaches through the middle of the park. It’d be good business to get them both off the books 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 There’s definitely something in the works for Soumare with him not playing the past 2 games. Just hope it’s a permanent deal and not a loan deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, mozartfox said: See both the Italian Teams are looking for loans? Do Italian Teams ever pay anything? There's an argument that loans work for all parties. We will never recoup what we paid if we sell him now. He'd definitely go for a loss. If we loan him out we can get some money for a loan fee now and if he thrives, either get a confident player back who might be ready to have a fresh start here or at very least we get a better fee. If he flops, nothing really lost. As for the loaning clubs, he was excellent in France, they're obviously going to be hoping they can tap in to that but he's been poor here, would you take the risk on a tidy fee? It's worth remembering that Monaco fans felt the same way about Tielemans as we do about Soumaré. We loaned him to test the waters, signed him on a permanent and he won us the FA Cup. Not bad. Edited 20 July 2023 by Finnegan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopfkino Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 (edited) Super easy to say he should have been sold last year but could we afford to? If FFP is what drove the lack of activity last year, then the reported bids for him wouldn’t really have helped our situation. Remember this is long before Fofana went. Signed for £17m on a 5 year contract, his amortisation charge is £3.4m a year. So last summer he had a book value of £13.6m. I’ve seen various reports of what Monaco offered. £15m, £13m, €12m + €3m in add-ons. The latter two would mean we’d end up posting an accounting loss on that transfer, thus worsening our position. You need to get to break even at least. Therefore, if up against FFP and wanting to keep squad numbers the same, you have to find a cheap replacement that costs equal to the amortisation charge you’re freeing up plus any wage differential less the accounting loss or a player on loan. This is why Iheanacho we’re willing to let Iheanacho leave. We can make a decent accounting profit on him, even if he only goes for 10m whereas we almost certainly can’t with Daka. Edited 20 July 2023 by Kopfkino 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: There's an argument that loans work for all parties. We will never recoup what we paid if we sell him now. He'd definitely go for a loss. If we loan him out we can get some money for a loan fee now and if he thrives, either get a confident player back who might be ready to have a fresh start here or at very least we get a better fee. If he flops, nothing really lost. As for the loaning clubs, he was excellent in France, they're obviously going to be hoping they can tap in to that but he's been poor here, would you take the risk on a tidy fee? It's worth remembering that Monaco fans felt the same way about Tielemans as we do about Soumaré. We loaned him to test the waters, signed him on a permanent and he won us the FA Cup. Not bad. If he flops we are stuck with him until his contract runs out, similar to Praet. Or we would have to pay him off to leave. Would much prefer to get rid of him permanently even with a decent loss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 Just now, Viva said: If he flops we are stuck with him until his contract runs out, similar to Praet. Or we would have to pay him off to leave. Would much prefer to get rid of him permanently even with a decent loss. But we're stuck with him anyway. There's not a line of people looking to buy him and if they are it'll be at a highly reduced rate. His value probably isn't going to drop a lot from where it is now, is it really? If someone covers the majority of his wages for the year, either directly or through loan fees, we don't really lose anything. We likely don't need to cash in on him to sign a couple of wingers and another centre midfielder on a mixture of loans and transfers now that we've gotten Barnes out the door. We just want him off the wage bill for the year one way or another. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 3 minutes ago, Finnegan said: But we're stuck with him anyway. There's not a line of people looking to buy him and if they are it'll be at a highly reduced rate. His value probably isn't going to drop a lot from where it is now, is it really? If someone covers the majority of his wages for the year, either directly or through loan fees, we don't really lose anything. We likely don't need to cash in on him to sign a couple of wingers and another centre midfielder on a mixture of loans and transfers now that we've gotten Barnes out the door. We just want him off the wage bill for the year one way or another. I would have thought we could find a buyer for £5-£10m. His agent needs to earn his money and find him a move. For me it’s better than just covering his wages until his contract runs out. Think I’d rather have Junior Lewis back than see Soumare play in the Championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 1 minute ago, Viva said: I would have thought we could find a buyer for £5-£10m. His agent needs to earn his money and find him a move. For me it’s better than just covering his wages until his contract runs out. Think I’d rather have Junior Lewis back than see Soumare play in the Championship! Right, OK. I see now. You're one of those. In which case all I'll say is that I'm glad you aren't our Director of Football. Letting Soumaré go for £5 at this point would be hideous business. The Scudetto holders are showing an interest, there's obvious value there whether he's appropriate for a Championship club or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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