Ric Flair Posted 29 August 2023 Posted 29 August 2023 26 minutes ago, Scotch said: I'm genuinely curious as to wether or not you actually watch our games? Let me be clear here, I'm not asking this to belittle or mock you, I just don't see how someone could have watched our games this season and landed on the conclusion that Doyle has been playing as a standard, run of the mill LB... He's CLEARLY not. I mean, setting aside the fact that Enzo has himself stated that we don't play with traditional fullbacks and the FB on that left side will pull in to the LCB to create a back 3, you can clearly see it when we play. When we are on the ball, the LB is in the LCB position and the RB is in the CDM position. It's not typical of how FB's play and again, Enzo has spoke about players adjusting to those specific roles, naming VK as working on learning the Doyle role and JJ learning the Ricardo one. Not that I'd disagree with this but Doyle has also spent a lot of time progressing up pitch down the left too. We are now in the realms where we actually do need those defenders who can play centrally or at full back than the modern full back who's less able to defend but quick and attacking. 3
Scotch Posted 29 August 2023 Posted 29 August 2023 33 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Not that I'd disagree with this but Doyle has also spent a lot of time progressing up pitch down the left too. We are now in the realms where we actually do need those defenders who can play centrally or at full back than the modern full back who's less able to defend but quick and attacking. Which is why I mentioned Jacod Greaves to you the other day. Perfect for us. 3
Ric Flair Posted 29 August 2023 Posted 29 August 2023 24 minutes ago, Scotch said: Which is why I mentioned Jacod Greaves to you the other day. Perfect for us. Yes, he'd be immense.
Lillehamring Posted 29 August 2023 Posted 29 August 2023 1 hour ago, BlackFox said: First he plays LB nothing special about his position. Not LCB or something "archaic" Second JJ could do that and more, he is more versatile, faster, stronger good passer and right footed but also good with his left, problem is or was his injury record. If not for that, things will look very different for him and for leicesteras well. Doyle is very good but main reason he's picked over JJ is left footed while JJ is right. The hype is just because hew our new shining toy and will surely soon oncehe'll make his first mistake, weird to say but Vestegard cover for him a lot, while on Faes manages quite well by himself on the right side of our defense. He's talented for sure, but JJ is miles ahead of, he was picked for NT ffs. Justin had a chance to show what he could do in a ten minute cameo against rotherham - where he was playing in advanced position with the team having a mighty 77% of the possession - he managed to touch the ball 3 times, attempted 2 passes and completed 1. There has been zero evidence to suggest he's likely to steal anyone's place any time soon - let alone doyle who is ranking amongst the best players in the league right now. As for his national team call up it was at a time when he was playing ok, and england had no other fit left backs, and he still only got one game. The guy seems like a good bloke, but i suspect his career is at a crossroads right now.
Popular Post AjcW Posted 29 August 2023 Popular Post Posted 29 August 2023 1 minute ago, Long Eaton Fox said: We can check him out on Saturday. After deadline day? Jon.... is that you? 8
Drink Water Posted 29 August 2023 Posted 29 August 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said: We can check him out on Saturday. Ok Mr. Rudkin Edited 29 August 2023 by Drink Water
EastAnglianFox Posted 29 August 2023 Posted 29 August 2023 6 minutes ago, Lillehamring said: Justin had a chance to show what he could do in a ten minute cameo against rotherham - where he was playing in advanced position with the team having a mighty 77% of the possession - he managed to touch the ball 3 times, attempted 2 passes and completed 1. There has been zero evidence to suggest he's likely to steal anyone's place any time soon - let alone doyle who is ranking amongst the best players in the league right now. As for his national team call up it was at a time when he was playing ok, and england had no other fit left backs, and he still only got one game. The guy seems like a good bloke, but i suspect his career is at a crossroads right now. Playing ok?? Behave Prior to his injuries he was one of the best fullbacks in the league. The media were all over him getting a call up long before England suffered a full back crisis. been shite since so I’ll give ya that 2
Lillehamring Posted 29 August 2023 Posted 29 August 2023 7 hours ago, EastAnglianFox said: Playing ok?? Behave Prior to his injuries he was one of the best fullbacks in the league. The media were all over him getting a call up long before England suffered a full back crisis. been shite since so I’ll give ya that Meh - if that's what you want to believe. He was suspect (and still is) to high balls over his head and generally with his positioning, and his end product going forward was (and still is) practically non-existent. And even the moments of quality he had were, if we're being generous, short-lived and sporadic. He's one of those players that did a few things well, got a generous call up, and disappeared leaving this false memory of being much better than he actually was.
Popular Post honeybradger Posted 29 August 2023 Popular Post Posted 29 August 2023 21 minutes ago, Lillehamring said: Meh - if that's what you want to believe. He was suspect (and still is) to high balls over his head and generally with his positioning, and his end product going forward was (and still is) practically non-existent. And even the moments of quality he had were, if we're being generous, short-lived and sporadic. He's one of those players that did a few things well, got a generous call up, and disappeared leaving this false memory of being much better than he actually was. He was our player of the season until he got injured in 20/21, when we were 2nd or 3rd in the league. In his role as an overlapping RCB or as a left back he was immense. Yes, he's never been incredible going forwards but he was intelligent, lightning fast, good tackler and decent technically. Without ACLs he could have been the next Kyle Walker and i dont feel like im exagerrating. 3 2
Gerard Posted 29 August 2023 Posted 29 August 2023 2 hours ago, honeybradger said: He was our player of the season until he got injured in 20/21, when we were 2nd or 3rd in the league. In his role as an overlapping RCB or as a left back he was immense. Yes, he's never been incredible going forwards but he was intelligent, lightning fast, good tackler and decent technically. Without ACLs he could have been the next Kyle Walker and i dont feel like im exagerrating. Fully agree, at one point he looked like he would become genuine world class, that injury really done him like it did Ricardo. JJ looked twice the player of Chilwell at his peak. 1 2
Popular Post Jimbo Posted 30 August 2023 Popular Post Posted 30 August 2023 11 hours ago, Lillehamring said: Meh - if that's what you want to believe. He was suspect (and still is) to high balls over his head and generally with his positioning, and his end product going forward was (and still is) practically non-existent. And even the moments of quality he had were, if we're being generous, short-lived and sporadic. He's one of those players that did a few things well, got a generous call up, and disappeared leaving this false memory of being much better than he actually was. I think you are the one with the false memory. You seem to be confusing JJ before his injury and JJ after his injury. Before his 1st injury he was growing into a very, very good player. He was part of a team, playing left or right, that was flying high in the league and had adapted to life in the premier league fantastically well, had rightly earned an international call up and looked like he could be destined for big things. Injuries have completely halted his career and he'll probably never reach those heights now, and his biggest problem is now is fitting in this new team and system. The position he is best at now doesn't exist in this team, so it's about adapting him and his style to fill 2 or 3 different positions. If he can adapt then he'll be the ultimate utility man. He'll probably be used in 3 different positions 7
James_lcfc Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 11 hours ago, Lillehamring said: Meh - if that's what you want to believe. He was suspect (and still is) to high balls over his head and generally with his positioning, and his end product going forward was (and still is) practically non-existent. And even the moments of quality he had were, if we're being generous, short-lived and sporadic. He's one of those players that did a few things well, got a generous call up, and disappeared leaving this false memory of being much better than he actually was. Christ, what a bad take this is. He 'disappeared' due to a career threatening injury, at least be fair with that bit.
shen Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 5 minutes ago, LestaLad said: From Tanner’s recent article. I find we look light in midfield too. When Soumaré and (if) Ndidi go, it leaves us with KDH, Casadei, Praet and maybe McAteer? Choudhury is preferred in the pivot. He may have trust that Braybrooke or maybe Alves can play here, but we don't know yet. 1
Scotch Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 1 minute ago, shen said: I find we look light in midfield too. When Soumaré and (if) Ndidi go, it leaves us with KDH, Casadei, Praet and maybe McAteer? Choudhury is preferred in the pivot. He may have trust that Braybrooke or maybe Alves can play here, but we don't know yet. 100%. For me the players who could leave without being replaced are Thomas, Souttar, Soumare, Albrighton (assuming we sign this lad from sporting) Iversen and Ward. Anyone else we would have to replace like Ndidi, Praet, Daka, Nacho, VK, etc.
Jimbo Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 12 minutes ago, Scotch said: 100%. For me the players who could leave without being replaced are Thomas, Souttar, Soumare, Albrighton (assuming we sign this lad from sporting) Iversen and Ward. Anyone else we would have to replace like Ndidi, Praet, Daka, Nacho, VK, etc. Yeah, we look desperately short in midfield and strikers, and that's without moving Ndidi and Kel on. Assuming Daka stays and hardly gets near the 1st squad, going through a championship season with 2 strikers is risky business, especially when you consider Vardy will turn 37 this season. If Praet and Ndidi stay then midfield should be fine, but if either is to go I worry about our options, especially if Winks were to face a spell on the sidelines.
Ric Flair Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 25 minutes ago, shen said: I find we look light in midfield too. When Soumaré and (if) Ndidi go, it leaves us with KDH, Casadei, Praet and maybe McAteer? Choudhury is preferred in the pivot. He may have trust that Braybrooke or maybe Alves can play here, but we don't know yet. If Ndidi goes I think we replace him, presuming Soumare is also off. If Iheanacho goes, we will surely look to replace him. The players we won't necessarily replace are Kristiansen, Souttar, Soumare, Iversen and Ward. 3
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 Not sure we get this one over the line tbh.
Scotch Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 12 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: If Ndidi goes I think we replace him, presuming Soumare is also off. If Iheanacho goes, we will surely look to replace him. The players we won't necessarily replace are Kristiansen, Souttar, Soumare, Iversen and Ward. I think we definately should be looking to replace VK but accept we probably won't. Without him, an injury to Doyle means we have to change our system as we won't have anyone who can play that role. At a push, JJ but I'm not sold on how he will do there. You could argue that VK probably falls into that category too but Enzo specifically mentioned that he was working on playing that role whilst JJ was working to play the Ricardo one.
Max Power Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 This just makes too much sense for all parties I think it will happen. 1
Finnegan Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 1 hour ago, shen said: I find we look light in midfield too. When Soumaré and (if) Ndidi go, it leaves us with KDH, Casadei, Praet and maybe McAteer? Choudhury is preferred in the pivot. He may have trust that Braybrooke or maybe Alves can play here, but we don't know yet. I think we'll sign there. Probably a permanent. I feel like the Castagne and probable Ndidi money gets reinvested tomorrow. THB for Castagne and I reckon either Chair or we pull out a surprise from left field for 7-9m-ish Soumaré I think we cave at the final hour and let him go on loan to the highest bidder, Daka I reckon we either sell and bank til January or he comes back in to the squad. Incoming tomorrow AFI, THB, midfielder. Out Ndidi, Thomas on loan, VK on loan, honestly wouldn't like to call Souttar. 4
Scotch Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 5 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I think we'll sign there. Probably a permanent. I feel like the Castagne and probable Ndidi money gets reinvested tomorrow. THB for Castagne and I reckon either Chair or we pull out a surprise from left field for 7-9m-ish Soumaré I think we cave at the final hour and let him go on loan to the highest bidder, Daka I reckon we either sell and bank til January or he comes back in to the squad. Incoming tomorrow AFI, THB, midfielder. Out Ndidi, Thomas on loan, VK on loan, honestly wouldn't like to call Souttar. Reckon this gets cleared up tonight. Rangers have been the only real link to him. If they win tonight, they are in the CL which means they are more likely to stretch their budget a bit more on the likes of Harry.
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 30 August 2023 Posted 30 August 2023 58 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Not sure we get this one over the line tbh. He's definitely going to go somewhere though, no way he just sits in man city's 21s.
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