VAR vs Reffing.

[TheUltimateWinner]

There is literally no point in VAR

 

All it’s done is ruin the game for the fans in the stands 

 

We get just as many calls wrong with it 

[Corky]

I think it was brought in for the correct reasons (atopping howlers like the Morgan head-handball or players punching the ball in) but now it seems the reach has expanded too far. And referees are not making enough decisions and leaving it for the back up.

 

Yeah, I'd get rid of it. It won't solve anything, the game wasn't utopian before it but let's get on with it. Plus the fact every minute they take pissing about is added on but actual time wasting is made up as it goes along.

[Detroit Blues]

Most other sports I watch has some form of instant replay / video referee. Sure, it's not 100% accurate, but do I want to go back to the dark days of the past with no referee accountability? Hell no.

 

The problem with VAR is two-fold - the implementation, and the offside / handball rules themselves. I think it can be fixed, but will take time. 

Edited 6 November 2023 by Detroit Blues

[Guest foxestalkisfullofidiots]

If your in the stadium watching your team it’s ruined the game but if your sat on the sofa watching as a neutral then it is quite good fun 

[LinekersLugs]

I don’t want to go back up 

 

I love the lack of VAR 

 

VAR made me fall out of love with the premier league 

 

i genuinely don’t want to go back to that mess 

 

look at the game tonight 

 

it’s VAR-Ball With a little bit of football thrown in 

[Nod.E]

Second option if this is the British interpretation of VAR. 

 

But there is absolutely no reason why we can't implement VAR like basically the rest of the world has, and that is better than no VAR. 

 

VAR was the answer to a real problem, but so shoddy has its application been that the solution has created a bigger problem than the one it's there to solve.

 

Can somebody help me to understand why we get it so terribly wrong here? 

[bovril]

13 minutes ago, Detroit Blues said:

Most other sports I watch has some form of instant replay / video referee. Sure, it's not 100% accurate, but do I want to go back to the dark days of the past with no referee accountability? Hell no.

 

The problem with VAR is two-fold - the implementation, and the offside / handball rules themselves. I think it can be fixed, but will take time. 

Are they stop-start sports?

 

It works in say cricket or American football because it's a series of set plays between which the game stops. It doesn't work in association football. 

[Corky]

It works in cricket because there are defined reasons for a decision, a margin of error (umpire's call) and only 3 reviews per team which means there is some control from the officials.

 

Football is totally different. I wouldn't necessarily be against a challenge system but it wouldn't be agreed to.

[bovril]

4 minutes ago, Corky said:

It works in cricket because there are defined reasons for a decision, a margin of error (umpire's call) and only 3 reviews per team which means there is some control from the officials.

 

Football is totally different. I wouldn't necessarily be against a challenge system but it wouldn't be agreed to.

But also fundamentally because the game is stop-start. It all stems from that. Doesn't work in soccer. For a start you can't check everything (corner, free kick) that can determine the outcome of a game 

[ParkerPen]

we fans shouldn't be dogmatic, to deal in absolutes, black and whites, rights and wrongs.

 

VAR is absolute anathema to the game I fell in love with. the immediacy, the riotous celebration of a goal.

 

taken away from us, by money, by sky, media and so on

 

fúck VAR

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, grobyfox1990 said:

We had refs making decisions on the spot for years. And everyone moaned and whined and bleated on about how other sports use tech so why can’t we. Now we do use tech. And everyone moans and whines and bleats on about how they want rid of the tech. 

...the tech is good, but the implementation is the problem!!!

There have been so many poor and unbelievable decisions, that it is bordering on corruption.

[foxinsox]

21 minutes ago, ParkerPen said:

we fans shouldn't be dogmatic, to deal in absolutes, black and whites, rights and wrongs.

 

VAR is absolute anathema to the game I fell in love with. the immediacy, the riotous celebration of a goal.

 

taken away from us, by money, by sky, media and so on

 

fúck VAR

Watching the chaos of Spurs vs Chelsea tonight, I am not missing VAR at all!

 

5 disallowed goals, 2 red cards, all with slow VAR reviews.

 

Totally mad game.

[grobyfox1990]

4 minutes ago, foxinsox said:

Watching the chaos of Spurs vs Chelsea tonight, I am not missing VAR at all!

 

5 disallowed goals, 2 red cards, all with slow VAR reviews.

 

Totally mad game.

I’ve loved it, proper drama. Imagine if Romero was still on the pitch. Although I am a neutral so it’s easy to say 

[ARM1968]

Going to get my eyes tested. Titled confused me. VAR is Effing what?

[tom27111]

I'd take VAR 100%

 

BUT...VAR needs perfecting. It ain't even that hard.

 

Forget automated offside, you're complicating things, revert back to the daylight rule.

 

If a single part of the attackers body is level with a defender, he's on.

 

 

[F T Fagos]

35 minutes ago, foxinsox said:

Watching the chaos of Spurs vs Chelsea tonight, I am not missing VAR at all!

 

5 disallowed goals, 2 red cards, all with slow VAR reviews.

 

Totally mad game.

Absolute carnage. VAR been good and not so good in this game. 21 minutes added on in total as well.

[tom27111]

Just now, F T Fagos said:

Absolute carnage. VAR been good and not so good in this game. 21 minutes added on in total as well.

 

Well there's your argument for stopping the clock and making a game 60 minutes long.

 

I believe Wenger and van Basten have argued for this.

 

Also completely puts an end to time wasting and the lottery of added time.

 

And us, the fans, won't lose out. I think the ball is in play on average around 58 minutes. 

[Detroit Blues]

5 hours ago, bovril said:

Are they stop-start sports?

 

It works in say cricket or American football because it's a series of set plays between which the game stops. It doesn't work in association football. 

 

I mean hockey has it, and it's a pretty similar sport. Instant replay is mostly limited to goals, which is a natural stoppage of the game anyway. They should be able to check every goal in the 60 seconds or so it takes a team to celebrate, pick the ball out of the net, walk back to midfield and resume play.

 

 

 

Edited 7 November 2023 by Detroit Blues

[fuchsntf]

We now have the technic for all the given variables that VAR is asked to cover... 

The incompetence & normal teething problems are as diverse as the inadequate lines, and angles we set up then interpret... We have allowed simple technology to become political. 

We have allowed a  support product to become more important than the game itsellf.

We have allowed a support product and human inbred bias to take over & intervene in those sport-giving emotions. 

We are not yet clever enough to use what the technology shows us and are willing to openly create Grey areas, where there is none.. 

We have forgot common-sense in our human-flxabilty to appreciate using obvious criteria.. 

A defender uses the offside has one of his tools.. But he is interested more in the mass, the full body( torso) position advantage the opponent takes, that he gets beaten, by a stretched neck, extended leg or foot is a sporting evaluation he would pride himself to defend against. 

 

The question of using VAR, is not open for debate... It's getting rid of the self created flotsam peripheries we use to help us come to a "fair non bias, logical"   decision. 

There must be, can be only 1 pre-agreed thickness of lines & pre-agreeing that the players extremities are within defending teams sporting capabities to defend. Put that down as an hard regulation, then eventually even those hardened complain at everything apponents, will come around to it, just as much as not picking up the ball & running with it, is a  law & regulation. 

 

First use VAR with the basic ordinance, then evolve use and develop from there. 

 

But.. At both PL & EFL, the ref or linesman has to be seen as the end decision maker. 

Also each event must have a time limit, if no clip & clear VAR intervention is forth coming Ref & his team make the. descision.. It's plain stupid letting anything run over 3 minutes. 

If doubts, like Rugby OTT unfair or dangerous play can be rebalanced well after the game or even during half time. 

# ref sends off player before halftime 

    Mitigating circumstances, proves no 

    Intent or contact. Card should be resided, player reintroduced. 

# 2nd half incident, refs descision stands Red or no Red, but can be reversed.. No ban, or 1-?? Game ban

 

[Sly]

It’s simple really.

 

Mic up the refs so the crowd can hear what is being said. 
 

If you need physio treatment - 3 minutes off the pitch. 

 

Play 80 minutes but stop the clock. Stops time wasting.

 

Daylight between players for offsides.

 

Any tackle around the knee or where studs have caught someone even if it’s ankles etc. Red card.

 

Violence - Red card.

 

Time wasting - Yellow card.

 

Encroaching on free kicks - Yellow card.

 

Not obeying the referee / coming back onto the pitch early - Yellow card. 

 

Cynical fouling when a player has gone past you. Yellow card. 
 

Holding in the box on corners. Penalty. 
 

Go card under minimal contact / waving your arms / diving - Yellow card. Do

it in the box looking for a penalty - Red card.
 

Abuse to the referee or officials. Yellow card. 
 

Persistent simple fouling - Yellow

 

Hand ball only matters if the ball has come further than 2 meters away. If it strikes the arm, no matter where. It’s hands ball. You’ve had time to move the things attacked to your arms. You’re not doing a lot with them closer than that. 

 

We lack consistency and VAR doesn’t help it. VAR should work, it’s the implementation of the rule. 

[Royston.]

You cannot fault VAR, it captures what happens but it is just a tool for the inept and corrupt to influence football matches.

 

 

[WigstonWanderer]

Voted for refs decision, but reserve the right to change my mind if we get a string of bad decisions against us

[OatcakeFox]

Power corrupts,

VAR corrupts absolutely

[MonkeyTennis?]

The stop-start nature of Rugby and Cricket mean that use of video to assist and confrim decisions generally works, and enhances the game. However, the free flowing nature of football is different, and VAR introduces more problems than it solves - not just in terms of decisions, but also in terms of the pace and format of the game. 

[Footballwipe]

Everyone saying refs on the spot - but this is why VAR came in in the first place.

 

People steadfastly refusing to accept referees are human and make mistakes - sometimes grave mistakes. Technology is still reliant on humans who can, guess what, make mistakes.

 

Get rid of VAR and just accept referees are as human as the players. Not everything is going to be right, and many decisions on a football pitch are quite subjective.